does sora have a conscience?

[liamaru 294]

i notice sora is really cold while playing kh2 i mean look at his reacton when he kill demyx. sora slices through luxord like butter and is just like "yeah c'mon guys xemnas is next ,adventure" i mean jeez show some emphathy your only 15 riku is no better, i liked lexeous ans zexion although saix is an exception.

[Dracozombie 4,554]

Yes.

[Jim 2,990]

No.

[Col.Random 3,683]

Jiminy motherfiretrucking cricketBut seriously Sora does have a conscience, it's just that he's so tired and pissed off at those guys (and all the hatred Roxas had with him when he merged with Sora) must have made him slightly colder as a person

[Aru Akise 2,540]

Jiminy motherfiretrucking cricketBut seriously Sora does have a conscience, it's just that he's so tired and pissed off at those guys (and all the hatred Roxas had with him when he merged with Sora) must have made him slightly colder as a person

Yeah, he was freaking raging over the Org. XIII, he gave no firetruck to them disappearing. In his head they were evil and evil must be purged!

 

There's Roxas too. I want to believe Roxas' feeling influenced Sora's actions.

[Dave 5,715]

When someone goes out of their way to do you great bodily harm, not to mention committing several near-atrocities upon the different worlds which endanger the lives of thousands, I think Sora is more than justified in not being overly concerned about the feeling's of the Organization members.

[BlankShell 638]

Remember, the game literally starts out with telling him that the Organization is a bunch of soulless monsters who only want to do him harm. Nobodies don't really exist at all.

 

(Only he finds out later that they do, but still)

[Dio Brando 5,810]

This is something that the KH manga showcase much better than the games

 

Which I repeat WHY NONE OF THE COOL MOMENTS IN THE MANGA ARE IN THE GAME?

[King_Graham 135]

Yeah, he was freaking raging over the Org. XIII, he gave no firetruck to them disappearing. In his head they were evil and evil must be purged!There's Roxas too. I want to believe Roxas' feeling influenced Sora's actions.

It doesn't help that Yen Sid basically told him to be prejudiced against them.

This is something that the KH manga showcase much better than the gamesWhich I repeat WHY NONE OF THE COOL MOMENTS IN THE MANGA ARE IN THE GAME?

Because Amano thought of them first?Honestly, this has never been an issue for me. Edited December 8, 2014 by Andrew Rowland

[Aru Akise 2,540]

It doesn't help that Yen Sid basically told him to be prejudiced against them.Because Amano thought of them first?

Now he thinks better of the Org. Members tho, knowing they were all used and all.

[King_Graham 135]

Now he thinks better of the Org. Members tho, knowing they were all used and all.

yes, he does.

[Sakuraba Neku 660]

I noticed that. He literally grew up...

Yesterday when I was playing in Olympus Coliseum. Sora just says "You're bizarre." to Demxy and I was like.damn, didn't remember this one.

 

But I rather this Sora than the stupid one in KH3D. To make Riku seem cooler, square just made Sora much dumber there.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Sakuraba Neku

[Ultima Spark 753]

this topic makes me want to facedesk the goddamn planet

[Kaweebo 3,617]

You have to understand how screwed up Sora is by KHII. Not only were his memories essentially taken out and put back in, but yeah, he has Roxas influencing what he feels, too. So, it's possible Roxas' anger at the Organization messed with Sora a little bit, too. In the manga, however, Sora showed sorrow for killing Demyx, so I'm going to assume he did feel some sadness, it just wasn't portrayed in the game itself. And remember, it was Yen Sid who told him to be wary of Nobodies and that they'd deceive him.

 

And don't forget, when he was told that Nobodies could grow hearts, (DDD) he got angry because he realized what had happened. Even then, though, the Organization had to be put down. Regardless of if Demyx or Zexion weren't actually 'bad guys', (I'd argue that Zexion is amoral, but that's besides the point) he and the rest of the Nobodies needed to be stopped. 

Edited December 8, 2014 by Kaweebo

[qwertywarrior16 47]

I did notice that too, like Sora was just a dick to Demyx. I mean out of all the Organization members, Demyx posses the smallest threat but Sora had no mercy for him.

[Dracozombie 4,554]

The Organization's motives are sympathetic; their actions are not. Here are a few of their transgressions, in no particular order:

 

-Released Heartless into countless worlds with the full intent of killing as many people as possible so they'll get Sora's attention.

-Tried to manipulate Beast into becoming a Heartless by using bargaining chips against him: Belle, one of the few who cares about Beast and is a Princess of Heart to boot; and the rose, which is the only thing standing between Beast and getting his life back.

-Stole a possessed treasure with no regards to the curse it would bring to Port Royal.

-Threatened Namine with eternal loneliness and possibly death if she didn't completely wreck Sora's memories to suit their needs.

-Created Riku Replica to kill Riku/take his place, and then mock him for failing at it and being a fake.

-Consistently lie to and backstab each other when it furthers their plans. Pretend or no, Axel's grin when he burned Vexen alive did not earn him hero points.

-Manipulated Sora's Nobody into collecting hearts for them and keeping him in the dark about who he is so he'll be a good little mindless worker.

-Created Xion into sapping/stealing powers of Roxas didn't work out.

-Absolutely do not care when one of their own dies; some wave it off or are even glad.

-Mock, belittle, and harm Sora and his friends every chance they get.

 

And that, ladies and gentleman, is why Sora did not show them any mercy. If Demyx is your trump card then you're willfully ignoring the other 11 members who are total threats and who are assholes. Plus not even Demyx was sad at all when the ones at Castle Oblivion died -- shows how much he cares.

 

Oh, let's not get started on how DDD said they can regrow their own hearts. Not only is Sora understandably pissed that they've been deceived, to me it also shows the Organization is more than capable of doing what they did even with hearts. Some of them were assholes before they became Nobodies. All the experiments on the darkness in peoples' hearts that caused their hearts to collapse? And using that process to create the Emblem Heartless, adding to an already bad problem with the Purebloods? And banishing their mentor and king to rot in the Realm of Darkness when he tried to stop them? You don't need to be malicious to be a villain. You just need to do bad things, which the Organization does in spades. Roxas and Xion are the freaks of the group.

 

it makes me wonder if actually getting their hearts back would've been worth it. With hearts to feel guilty with, they'd have to live with all the damage they caused other people -- if they'd feel guilty.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Dracozombie

[Headphone Jack 1,147]

Well I'm pretty sure Jiminy Cricket is with Sora all through his adventures so yes. 

[mistydolphin 25]

Well I'm pretty sure Jiminy Cricket is with Sora all through his adventures so yes. 

And yet we only physically see him like once in kh2.

 

 Personally, i thinkhe was justified. look at everything they did. Sure they were being used, but they still needed to be held acvountable.

 

as far as yen sid. I wouldnt have been surprised if he actually didnt know they had hearts. not a lot was actually known about them. Outside of the organization, which most was probably lies fed tothem by xemnas.

[King_Graham 135]

I noticed that. He literally grew up...Yesterday when I was playing in Olympus Coliseum. Sora just says "You're bizarre." to Demxy and I was like.damn, didn't remember this one.But I rather this Sora than the stupid one in KH3D. To make Riku seem cooler, square just made Sora much dumber there.

No, they made him more bubbly and childlike. There's an immense difference. There's only about three or four moments where he shows legitimate lack of intellectual capacity in that game. Edited December 9, 2014 by Andrew Rowland

[King_Graham 135]

The Organization's motives are sympathetic; their actions are not. Here are a few of their transgressions, in no particular order: -Released Heartless into countless worlds with the full intent of killing as many people as possible so they'll get Sora's attention.-Tried to manipulate Beast into becoming a Heartless by using bargaining chips against him: Belle, one of the few who cares about Beast and is a Princess of Heart to boot; and the rose, which is the only thing standing between Beast and getting his life back.-Stole a possessed treasure with no regards to the curse it would bring to Port Royal.-Threatened Namine with eternal loneliness and possibly death if she didn't completely wreck Sora's memories to suit their needs.-Created Riku Replica to kill Riku/take his place, and then mock him for failing at it and being a fake.-Consistently lie to and backstab each other when it furthers their plans. Pretend or no, Axel's grin when he burned Vexen alive did not earn him hero points.-Manipulated Sora's Nobody into collecting hearts for them and keeping him in the dark about who he is so he'll be a good little mindless worker.-Created Xion into sapping/stealing powers of Roxas didn't work out.-Absolutely do not care when one of their own dies; some wave it off or are even glad.-Mock, belittle, and harm Sora and his friends every chance they get. And that, ladies and gentleman, is why Sora did not show them any mercy. If Demyx is your trump card then you're willfully ignoring the other 11 members who are total threats and who are assholes. Plus not even Demyx was sad at all when the ones at Castle Oblivion died -- shows how much he cares. Oh, let's not get started on how DDD said they can regrow their own hearts. Not only is Sora understandably pissed that they've been deceived, to me it also shows the Organization is more than capable of doing what they did even with hearts. Some of them were assholes before they became Nobodies. All the experiments on the darkness in peoples' hearts that caused their hearts to collapse? And using that process to create the Emblem Heartless, adding to an already bad problem with the Purebloods? And banishing their mentor and king to rot in the Realm of Darkness when he tried to stop them? You don't need to be malicious to be a villain. You just need to do bad things, which the Organization does in spades. Roxas and Xion are the freaks of the group. it makes me wonder if actually getting their hearts back would've been worth it. With hearts to feel guilty with, they'd have to live with all the damage they caused other people -- if they'd feel guilty.

Well, this says a lot, and a lot of good points.Though, personally, I think Luxord's a pretty cool guy.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

As a lot of people have said.1. Sora was told by Yen Sid that Nobodies have no hearts, and therefore no remorse for the atrocities they cause. This was believed by everyone even, the Organization members themselves. The only ones who knew better where Xemnas, Xigbar and Saix.2. It's clear form the parting scene in Twilight Town and Sora feels some of Roxas' emotions. Roxas got his memories of his time in the Organization back (excluding the ones of Xion), and therefore not only realized they had to be stopped at any cost, but had reason to actively hate them, which made Sora more aggressive to toward them than he would have been.

I truly believe that, had Sora not been feeling Roxas' hatred, he still would have eliminated them out of necessity, but wouldn't have been quite so sadistic about it.