Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) Now that the latest trailer has confirmed that Drive Forms will be in KH III, what kind of Forms do you think there will be?|I think we can safely assume that Valor, Master and Final Form are out because they rely heavily of Dual Wielding, a power we're supposedly going to loose part way through the game when Sora gives Ven's heart back. I know Valor Form was in the trailer, but Sora was also in his KH II attire so it was likely only there to show that the system is being implemented. We never heard if Sora was Dual Wielding in Valor Form but even if he was that doesn't mean we get to keep the power, it's possible that he was only dual wielding because it happens in a specific battle, either before he returns Ven's heart or when he's teamed up with another wielder and borrows said wielder's Keyblade. Also, I just don't like the idea of losing access to half the forms because of the story removing an ability, so I'd rather they not be in there at all.Anyway, I think it's safe to say that Anti-Form will return, for the same reasons it was in KH II. Limit Form may also make a comeback and there may even be Forms where he can take on his KH II and maybe even 3D appearance. Then there's also world of possible forms that would be entirely new to the series. Also, since Riku's Dark Mode was basically the prototype for Drive Forms, do you think that could make a return as well? Even without Xehanort's Heartless in him, he may gain enough control over his own darkness to go into Dark Mode. What kinds Forms do you think there will be? What kinds of Forms are you hoping for? Edited December 7, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno 5 Neptune Vasilias, Ruby Rose, luka and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) No. It doesn't mean that it has to be the end of the Dual Wielding ability, there's always other ways to sustain abilities, and Nomura can always write in a loophole. Roxas doesn't have two hearts in him, but he can wield two Keyblades purely because he's Sora's nobody. That's a loophole already. Plus, since Valor WAS shown in the trailer, I'm pretty sure that if Drive forms were included, it would be there for the whole game, along with Wisdom. Limit would be nice to have, and maybe Master and Final or even Anti, but who knows? Personally, I think they might introduce some new Drive forms, especially if we're talking the possibility of some previous forms being dropped. Maybe we'll finally get those green and purple forms people want so much (unless Limit is still purple ), lol. Edited December 7, 2014 by Hero of Light XIV 1 Kaweebo reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dariel57 20 Posted December 7, 2014 Just because drive forms were shown in a teaser doesn't mean they are confirmed. As for dual wielding you never know there maybe another method of dual wielding that does not required a second keyblade welders heart! Aka nomura logic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) No. It doesn't mean that it has to be the end of the Dual Wielding ability, there's always other ways to sustain abilities, and Nomura can always write in a loophole. Roxas doesn't have two hearts in him, but he can wield two Keyblades purely because he's Sora's nobody. That's a loophole already. Plus, since Valor WAS shown in the trailer, I'm pretty sure that if Drive forms were included, it would be there for the whole game, along with Wisdom. Limit would be nice to have, and maybe Master and Final or even Anti, but who knows? Personally, I think they might introduce some new Drive forms, especially if we're talking the possibility of some previous forms being dropped. Maybe we'll finally get those green and purple forms people want so much (unless Limit is still purple ), lol. Well, It's debatable whether or not Roxas still carries Ven's sleeping heart but Nomura did say that the Sora's Keyblade was existing in multiple places simultaneously,However, Roxas Dual-Wielding without Ven or Sora's heart was explained by Roxas having access to all of sora's abilities, this includes Dual-Wielding Sora and Ven's Keyblades. Just because drive forms were shown in a teaser doesn't mean they are confirmed. As for dual wielding you never know there maybe another method of dual wielding that does not required a second keyblade welders heart! Aka nomura logic If your going to use that logic, then none of the gameply we've seen is confirmed. Why would they bother showing it if they where planning toimplement it? What would be the point? I'm pretty sure if it was a flashback i think someone would have said so. Edited December 7, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Demyx. 10,064 Posted December 7, 2014 It's possible that it isn't drive forms. Sora was in his KH2 outfit. But Nomura confirmed he will get a new one. It is possible that they used the drive form colors without them actually being drives. Just a visual so they know they are doing a keyblade transformation or whatever. From what I have heard the teaser is nothing nice to look at. So, it probably isn't even anything to go off of. 1 luka reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted December 7, 2014 Well, It's debatable whether or not Roxas still carries Ven's sleeping heart but Nomura did say that the Sora's Keyblade was existing in multiple places simultaneously,However, Roxas Dual-Wielding without Ven or Sora's heart was explained by Roxas having access to all of sora's abilities, this includes Dual-Wielding Sora and Ven's Keyblades. If your going to use that logic, then none of the gameply we've seen is confirmed. Why would they bother showing it if they where planning toimplement it? What would be the point? I'm pretty sure if it was a flashback i think someone would have said so. That's what I said, but my point is that Nomura can always write up a new loophole or requirement for Dual Wielding Keyblades. Heck, Riku held onto 2 Keyblades several times in KH2. For very brief moments, but he still held onto 2 Keyblades at one time. Maybe there will be an explanation for that at some point. 1 luka reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) It's possible that it isn't drive forms. Sora was in his KH2 outfit. But Nomura confirmed he will get a new one. It is possible that they used the drive form colors without them actually being drives. Just a visual so they know they are doing a keyblade transformation or whatever. From what I have heard the teaser is nothing nice to look at. So, it probably isn't even anything to go off of. The way I read it, it seems to be saying that he starts off already using the Oathkeeper Keycannon in his normal form, then it fades to Valor and Wisdom, the whole time using Oatkeeper in canon form. That's what I said, but my point is that Nomura can always write up a new loophole or requirement for Dual Wielding Keyblades. Heck, Riku held onto 2 Keyblades several times in KH2. For very brief moments, but he still held onto 2 Keyblades at one time. Maybe there will be an explanation for that at some point. Yes but he was borrowing the other one, Like I said, It may be that there's a battle like the final one in KH II, where you team up and borrow someone else's Keyblade.But i just read the description again, an it said he was only using one, so it's moot anyway. Edited December 7, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted December 7, 2014 The way I read it, it seems to be saying that he starts off already using the Oathkeeper Keycannon, in his normal form, then it fades to Valor and Wisdom. Yes but he was borrowing the other one, Like I said, It may be that there's a battle like the final one in KH II, where you team up and borrow someone else's Keyblade.But i just read the description again, an it said he was only using one, so it's moot anyway. You are still avoiding my point. NOMURA. CAN. WRITE UP. A NEW. LOOPHOLE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) You are still avoiding my point. NOMURA. CAN. WRITE UP. A NEW. LOOPHOLE. Okay, yes he can WE ALL KNOW HE CAN. It doesn't mean he will. Despite what people think there is always reason to his logic, he doesn't throw things in as he goes "just 'cause" He may have gone in to Kingdom Hearts thinking it could be a one time deal, but ever since Chain of Memories, or at the latest KHIIFM, he's had a clear idea of where the story is going, even beyond the current saga. We may not understand how his mind works, but that doesn't mean he does things arbitrarily. Look at Nobodies having hearts, we believe it to be a retcon, but it may have been planned from KH II. there are several implications there that they do have hearts, and they're even stronger in the manga. It's possible that ever since he came up with the Oganization, He had the reveals from 3D already planned. So unless he decides that Sora Dual Wielding even after giving up Ven's heart is important to the plot, he won't have him retain the ability. Also, when i say "Dual Wielding" I'm specifically referring to the Synch Blade ability, which allows him to summon two Keyblades on his own without another wielder present, which is different from him dual wielding by say, borrowing Riku's Keyblade. And as I said the trailer only show him using one Keyblade,even in Valor Form. Besides, I made this thread to talk about the fact that drive forms are back. Edited December 7, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted December 7, 2014 Okay, yes he can WE ALL KNOW HE CAN. It doesn't mean he will. Despite what people think there is always reason to his logic, he doesn't throw things in as he goes "just 'cause" He may have gone in to Kingdom Hearts thinking it could be a one time deal, but ever since Chain of memories, or at the latest KHIIFM Besides, I made this thread to talk about the fact that drive forms are back. And as I said the trailer only show him using one Keyblade,even in Valor Form. Frankly I can only trust impressions so far, because no matter how accurate people try to relay the information, there's always a little bit of information that gets lost or misconstrued along the way. For all we know, he may have been in his regular outfit when he used the canon but the Valor and Wisdom forms were used in different parts of the video. And what part of him writing in a new loophole means that he won't apply any logic or reason to it? The concept of wielding two Keyblades is so popular, that I doubt that they are just going to get rid of it just because Sora has to fulfill a story requirement. It wouldn't be the worst thing ever if they did get rid of it, but I wouldn't say that it would be gone forever either. Nomura will find a way, and I really hope he does. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) Frankly I can only trust impressions so far, because no matter how accurate people try to relay the information, there's always a little bit of information that gets lost or misconstrued along the way. For all we know, he may have been in his regular outfit when he used the canon but the Valor and Wisdom forms were used in different parts of the video. And what part of him writing in a new loophole means that he won't apply any logic or reason to it? The concept of wielding two Keyblades is so popular, that I doubt that they are just going to get rid of it just because Sora has to fulfill a story requirement. It wouldn't be the worst thing ever if they did get rid of it, but I wouldn't say that it would be gone forever either. Nomura will find a way, and I really hope he does. Unfortunately, impressions are all we have to go on because we're never going to see that trailer. The best we can hope for is that bits of it will show up in future trailers.There's a very simple way it can continue without needing to write a new plot point/loophole and I've said it many time throughout this discussion: Simply have him team up with another wielder. We already know that they can borrow and use each others Keyblades, all it would require is for us to have a certain character in the party whenever we want to use it, which is a requirement right now anyway. Then he can use a Limit/Drive/whatever to access the other wielder's Keyblade as long as they're in the active party. I'm sure most players would be more than happy do ditch Donald for another party member, especially if doing so allows Sora to dual wield Edited December 7, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ultimosora 159 Posted December 7, 2014 Now that the latest trailer has confirmed that Drive Forms will be in KH III, what kind of Forms do you think there will be?|I think we can safely assume that Valor, Master and Final Form are out because they rely heavily of Dual Wielding, a power we're supposedly going to loose part way through the game when Sora gives Ven's heart back. I know Valor Form was in the trailer, but Sora was also in his KH II attire so it was likely only there to show that the system is being implemented. We never heard if Sora was Dual Wielding in Valor Form but even if he was that doesn't mean we get to keep the power, it's possible that he was only dual wielding because it happens in a specific battle, either before he returns Ven's heart or when he's teamed up with another wielder and borrows said wielder's Keyblade. Also, I just don't like the idea of losing access to half the forms because of the story removing an ability, so I'd rather they not be in there at all.Anyway, I think it's safe to say that Anti-Form will return, for the same reasons it was in KH II. Limit Form may also make a comeback and there may even be Forms where he can take on his KH II and maybe even 3D appearance. Then there's also world of possible forms that would be entirely new to the series. Also, since Riku's Dark Mode was basically the prototype for Drive Forms, do you think that could make a return as well? Even without Xehanort's Heartless in him, he may gain enough control over his own darkness to go into Dark Mode. What kinds Forms do you think there will be? What kinds of Forms are you hoping for? Didn't Nomura say at one point that Sora could dual wield keyblades even without drive or Vens' heart? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted December 7, 2014 Didn't Nomura say at one point that Sora could dual wield keyblades even without drive or Vens' heart? He said Sora is capable of Dual-Wielding in normal form and that he designed it so that Drives where necessary because he didn't think the players would want to be forced to dual wield the entire game, (I guess Sora chooses to only dual wield in Forms) but he never said Ven's hear wasn't necessary, in fact it think it's just the opposite, I think he said that Sora can only use Synch Blade (dual wielding by summoning two Keyblades as opposed to borrowing one) because of Ven. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Connected 978 Posted December 7, 2014 Just because drive forms were shown in a teaser doesn't mean they are confirmed. Thats just stupid? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) Well, It's debatable whether or not Roxas still carries Ven's sleeping heart but Nomura did say that the Sora's Keyblade was existing in multiple places simultaneously, However, Roxas Dual-Wielding without Ven or Sora's heart was explained by Roxas having access to all of sora's abilities, this includes Dual-Wielding Sora and Ven's Keyblades. If your going to use that logic, then none of the gameply we've seen is confirmed. Why would they bother showing it if they where planning to implement it? What would be the point? I'm pretty sure if it was a flashback i think someone would have said so. No Nomura himself has said that VENS HEART WAS INSIDE ROXAS' BODY THEREFORE THATS WHY. When Sora released his heart Ven's sleeping heart stayed in his physical body aka Roxas ---Sora's Nobody.Which is why after Sora absorbs Roxas he is now capable of dual wielding since Ven's heart was returned to him and was awakened while with Roxas after Xion's death . Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike? A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus. Q2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297? A: Because he had gotten to close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Room of Awakening. Both Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas’ “real selves”, and when he felt their presence it made him faint. Q3 is basically the same question as 1 confirming Roxas has Ven's heart Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield? A: Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’ keyblades. Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus’ as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield. As for trailers everyone knows they aren't reliable and change constantly through the production process. They also use character models a lot as placeholders and what not instead of final products. Edited December 7, 2014 by Flaming Lea 4 luka, Blooming Marluxia, Anti-SOLDIER and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted December 7, 2014 Unfortunately, impressions are all we have to go on because we're never going to see that trailer. The best we can hope for is that bits of it will show up in future trailers.There's a very simple way it can continue without needing to write a new plot point/loophole and I've said it many time throughout this discussion: Simply have him team up with another wielder. We already know that they can borrow and use each others Keyblades, all it would require is for us to have a certain character in the party whenever we want to use it, which is a requirement right now anyway. Then he can use a Limit/Drive/whatever to access the other wielder's Keyblade as long as they're in the active party. I'm sure most players would be more than happy do ditch Donald for another party member, especially if doing so allows Sora to dual wield I suppose that's ONE way of bringing it back, but there could be others. Maybe Sora is just so powerful and special later on that he unlocks the ability to use more than one on his own anyway. Master Xehanort can manipulate a multitude of other Keyblades at once by using telekinesis, who's to say Sora can't do that some day? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dariel57 20 Posted December 7, 2014 Well, It's debatable whether or not Roxas still carries Ven's sleeping heart but Nomura did say that the Sora's Keyblade was existing in multiple places simultaneously,However, Roxas Dual-Wielding without Ven or Sora's heart was explained by Roxas having access to all of sora's abilities, this includes Dual-Wielding Sora and Ven's Keyblades.If your going to use that logic, then none of the gameply we've seen is confirmed. Why would they bother showing it if they where planning toimplement it? What would be the point? I'm pretty sure if it was a flashback i think someone would have said so.Not necessarily everything from the earlier trailers has been said by nomura himself that will be implemented in the game. However the drive forms were just shown in the teaser. The same can be said about the first kh3 trailer when sora picked up the master keeper keyblade! It doesn't mean he is going to wield it it was just place there for connection purposes. Don't misunderstand me I would love if drive forms would return I just wouldn't go as far as to say they are confirmed to appear on the next installment until the director himself states it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted December 7, 2014 Well, It's debatable whether or not Roxas still carries Ven's sleeping heart but Nomura did say that the Sora's Keyblade was existing in multiple places simultaneously, However, Roxas Dual-Wielding without Ven or Sora's heart was explained by Roxas having access to all of sora's abilities, this includes Dual-Wielding Sora and Ven's Keyblades. If your going to use that logic, then none of the gameply we've seen is confirmed. Why would they bother showing it if they where planning to implement it? What would be the point? I'm pretty sure if it was a flashback i think someone would have said so. No Nomura himself has said that VENS HEART WAS INSIDE ROXAS' BODY THEREFORE THATS WHY. When Sora released his heart Ven's sleeping heart stayed in his physical body aka Roxas ---Sora's Nobody.Which is why after Sora absorbs Roxas he is now capable of dual wielding since Ven's heart was returned to him and was awakened while with Roxas after Xion's death . Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike? A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus. Q2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297? A: Because he had gotten to close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Room of Awakening. Both Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas’ “real selves”, and when he felt their presence it made him faint. Q3 is basically the same question as 1 confirming Roxas has Ven's heart Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield? A: Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’ keyblades. Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus’ as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield. As for trailers everyone knows they aren't reliable and change constantly through the production process. They also use character models a lot as placeholders and what not instead of final products. Basically what Flaming Lea said. From the time Sora turned into a Heartless to the end of Roxas's prologue in KH2, Roxas (as Sora's body) always carried Ventus' heart within him. So during the whole course of Days, Roxas had the ability to duel wield because he has Ventus' Keyblade as well as his own, but since Xion was taking Sora's powers and memories through Roxas, the ability was locked/stolen away. After Xion faded into Roxas, he regained his ability to, and discovered it for the first time. He had the ability to do it all the way up until he joined with Sora before he woke up. It should be noted that during all this time while Sora was awake, even if he knew that he could use 2 Keyblades, he would never be able to wield more than one, as he hadn't been reunited with Roxas (and therefore Ven's heart) until the beginning of KH2. It should also be noted that Roxas could duel wield when he fought against Sora because it was a metaphysical battle, so at that point they were still both the same person and shared all of the same abilities. Another interesting thing to note is that while Sora's Keyblade managed to exist in multiple places at the same time (three for Sora during Chain of Memories, and Roxas and Xion during Days), during his battle with Roxas, Sora was also able to wield three Keyblades at the same time (his own and Roxas', which is still technically his now that I think about it.). There's still a lot about Keyblade wielding that hasn't been revealed yet, so maybe over time Nomura will reveal, create, and develop more about the mythos of the Keyblade. Just a side note, the one thing I never understood about Roxas fainting in Castle Oblivion was that according to Nomura he was supposed to have fainted because he was close to both Sora AND Ventus. But by that point in the game, Sora was moved to the Twilight Town mansion. So how could Roxas be overwhelmed by being in close proximity to both of his "true selves" when he was only ever near one to begin with!? If Nomura had just said that being near Ventus was enough to overwhelm Roxas, I would have understood. But no, he said that Roxas was near BOTH of them, when by this point in the game he had already clearly showed us that he wasn't. He still hasn't addressed this contradiction and it's really giving me a headache. Can somebody please clarify or maybe offer a head-canon as to how this can still work without Nomura heavily contradicting himself? 1 luka reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted December 7, 2014 Basically what Flaming Lea said. From the time Sora turned into a Heartless to the end of Roxas's prologue in KH2, Roxas (as Sora's body) always carried Ventus' heart within him. So during the whole course of Days, Roxas had the ability to duel wield because he has Ventus' Keyblade as well as his own, but since Xion was taking Sora's powers and memories through Roxas, the ability was locked/stolen away. After Xion faded into Roxas, he regained his ability to, and discovered it for the first time. He had the ability to do it all the way up until he joined with Sora before he woke up. It should be noted that during all this time while Sora was awake, even if he knew that he could use 2 Keyblades, he would never be able to wield more than one, as he hadn't been reunited with Roxas (and therefore Ven's heart) until the beginning of KH2. It should also be noted that Roxas could duel wield when he fought against Sora because it was a metaphysical battle, so at that point they were still both the same person and shared all of the same abilities. Another interesting thing to note is that while Sora's Keyblade managed to exist in multiple places at the same time (three for Sora during Chain of Memories, and Roxas and Xion during Days), during his battle with Roxas, Sora was also able to wield three Keyblades at the same time (his own and Roxas', which is still technically his now that I think about it.). There's still a lot about Keyblade wielding that hasn't been revealed yet, so maybe over time Nomura will reveal, create, and develop more about the mythos of the Keyblade. Just a side note, the one thing I never understood about Roxas fainting in Castle Oblivion was that according to Nomura he was supposed to have fainted because he was close to both Sora AND Ventus. But by that point in the game, Sora was moved to the Twilight Town mansion. So how could Roxas be overwhelmed by being in close proximity to both of his "true selves" when he was only ever near one to begin with!? If Nomura had just said that being near Ventus was enough to overwhelm Roxas, I would have understood. But no, he said that Roxas was near BOTH of them, when by this point in the game he had already clearly showed us that he wasn't. He still hasn't addressed this contradiction and it's really giving me a headache. Can somebody please clarify or maybe offer a head-canon as to how this can still work without Nomura heavily contradicting himself? Nomura said that after Xions death the abilty was awakened - implying it was the emotions from her death that awakened Ven's sleeping heart .Because of this some people get confused and think Xion gave Roxas her keyblade and that's why he dual wields . However her keyblade was fake and an imitation . While she did indeed syphon Roxas's power back and forth between them it's not the reason he doesn't dual wield yet .The ability just wasn't 'awakened ' yet.Some people believe that this event could've started Ven's heart to permanently start to awaken for good . 3 luka, Blooming Marluxia and Demyx. reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted December 7, 2014 Nomura said that after Xions death the abilty was awakened - implying it was the emotions from her death that awakened Ven's sleeping heart .Because of this some people get confused and think Xion gave Roxas her keyblade and that's why he dual wields . However her keyblade was fake and an imitation . While she did indeed syphon Roxas's power back and forth between them it's not the reason he doesn't dual wield yet .The ability just wasn't 'awakened ' yet.Some people believe that this event could've started Ven's heart to permanently start to awaken for good . Is it settled that Xion's Keyblade was an imitation? Because while Riku said as much, Nomura still decided to bring up the fact that Sora's Kingdom Key existed in several places at once simultaneously. Maybe it's like Data-Sora's new Keyblade, where it isn't technically "real" but it's real enough to be considered close to the "real thing"? Anyway, yeah, I guess that makes more sense. As for it affecting Ven in any way in the slightest, I'm not sure yet. We have yet to see any proof of that, seeing as how he isn't awake yet. But who knows? Maybe when he wakes up he will consider Xion just as much of a friend as Terra and Aqua are to him. I have to say though, once all of these characters are back together, how exactly are they going to mingle? Seeing as how Ven is kind of Roxas and Axel was friends with Ven briefly as Lea and Terra was used as a body for two of Sora's adversaries and Sora looks like Ven's dark half and Xion is in a way both Sora and Kairi and if you really think about it so is Namine and GAAAAAAHHHHH!!! My head hurts! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) Is it settled that Xion's Keyblade was an imitation? Because while Riku said as much, Nomura still decided to bring up the fact that Sora's Kingdom Key existed in several places at once simultaneously. Maybe it's like Data-Sora's new Keyblade, where it isn't technically "real" but it's real enough to be considered close to the "real thing"? Anyway, yeah, I guess that makes more sense. As for it affecting Ven in any way in the slightest, I'm not sure yet. We have yet to see any proof of that, seeing as how he isn't awake yet. But who knows? Maybe when he wakes up he will consider Xion just as much of a friend as Terra and Aqua are to him. I have to say though, once all of these characters are back together, how exactly are they going to mingle? Seeing as how Ven is kind of Roxas and Axel was friends with Ven briefly as Lea and Terra was used as a body for two of Sora's adversaries and Sora looks like Ven's dark half and Xion is in a way both Sora and Kairi and if you really think about it so is Namine and GAAAAAAHHHHH!!! My head hurts! Yes it's been confirmed : Why does Xion become able to use the keyblade again on day 96? Nomura: This was less due to her doing missions together with Roxas every day, and more due to using his Keyblade. She was able to once again copy his power. At this moment, the two of them were perfectly in balance. In the end Roxas is able use two keyblades. Is this because he now has Xion’s? Nomura: Well, it isn’t that Roxas has physically inherited Xion’s keyblade, but more that Xion has awakened it within Roxas. In the KH series there are a lot of complex reasons why someone can use a keyblade, but basically you need a “heart” to be able to wield one. So strictly speaking, they are being influenced by Sora. At the present I can’t say more than that, since it would go into whether or not Roxas has a heart. And there is also a part that has to do with Xehanort’s memories. This time there were connections to the Kingdom Hearts I secret movie, and the time will come when this will have a clear connection as well. You’ll just have to ask me then Nomura: Riku only realizes it when Roxas takes off his hood and he can see his face, and he responds to his call. Until then he only half believed. When he first met Xion, he didn’t think that she was Sora or Kairi’s Nobody, and it was the same with Roxas. When he first saw Roxas, he had no proof of who he was. So that’s why he lost to Roxas, he was surprised at him using a real keyblade rather than an imitation like Xion's, and he called out to him. Part of Riku didn’t really want to believe that his best friend really had a Nobody. When Nomura brought up Sora's keyblade being in multiple places he was talking about Sora and Roxas not Xion .It was in the directors report .Xion's keyblade is an imitation but she was using Sora/Roxas real power. As for Ven's heart being awakened perm now - that is just speculation . It makes sense bc we see him respond in DDD to protecting Sora using his armor but it's still not confirmed : VII - In KH, at the same time Sora became a Heartless Roxas was born and entered the Organization. So if that's the case, at that point in time at Castle Oblivion Sora used a Keyblade while at the same time Roxas would have been using a Keyblade. Was this Sora's Keyblade? Within the Organization I think we particularly saw Roxas using a Keyblade. And similar to Roxas, Sora served as another Keyblade Master conveniently gathering hearts. So why was the Organization defeated? The Keyblade that Roxas used and the thing that Sora once lost in Castle Oblivion are the same thing. Furthermore, these two both used the Keyblade at the same time. This is can be explained by the relationship between Roxas and Sora. Thus, that both can wield two Keyblades in fact has an important meaning. This is also related to Xehanort's memories, but this point can't be touched on just yet. Furthermore, from the time that the two were both using the Keyblade at the same time, the Organization itself was using Sora for their ultimate goal. Soon enough, each of the Organization's expectations differed. By changing Sora and Roxas's movements, eventually they became unable to use Sora for their true meaning. As a result, Sora became an obstacle to the movements of the Organization itself and he had to be defeated. But even if Sora were to be defeated, you could say there are other things to think about in making that sacrifice. Edited December 7, 2014 by Flaming Lea 3 Blooming Marluxia, luka and Demyx. reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted December 7, 2014 Yes it's been confirmed : Why does Xion become able to use the keyblade again on day 96? Nomura: This was less due to her doing missions together with Roxas every day, and more due to using his Keyblade. She was able to once again copy his power. At this moment, the two of them were perfectly in balance. In the end Roxas is able use two keyblades. Is this because he now has Xion’s? Nomura: Well, it isn’t that Roxas has physically inherited Xion’s keyblade, but more that Xion has awakened it within Roxas. In the KH series there are a lot of complex reasons why someone can use a keyblade, but basically you need a “heart” to be able to wield one. So strictly speaking, they are being influenced by Sora. At the present I can’t say more than that, since it would go into whether or not Roxas has a heart. And there is also a part that has to do with Xehanort’s memories. This time there were connections to the Kingdom Hearts I secret movie, and the time will come when this will have a clear connection as well. You’ll just have to ask me then Nomura: Riku only realizes it when Roxas takes off his hood and he can see his face, and he responds to his call. Until then he only half believed. When he first met Xion, he didn’t think that she was Sora or Kairi’s Nobody, and it was the same with Roxas. When he first saw Roxas, he had no proof of who he was. So that’s why he lost to Roxas, he was surprised at him using a real keyblade rather than an imitation like Xion's, and he called out to him. Part of Riku didn’t really want to believe that his best friend really had a Nobody. When Nomura brought up Sora's keyblade being in multiple places he was talking about Sora and Roxas not Xion .It was in the directors report .Xion's keyblade is an imitation but she was using Sora/Roxas real power. As for Ven's heart being awakened perm now - that is just speculation . It makes sense bc we see him respond in DDD to protecting Sora using his armor but it's still not confirmed : VII - In KH, at the same time Sora became a Heartless Roxas was born and entered the Organization. So if that's the case, at that point in time at Castle Oblivion Sora used a Keyblade while at the same time Roxas would have been using a Keyblade. Was this Sora's Keyblade? Within the Organization I think we particularly saw Roxas using a Keyblade. And similar to Roxas, Sora served as another Keyblade Master conveniently gathering hearts. So why was the Organization defeated? The Keyblade that Roxas used and the thing that Sora once lost in Castle Oblivion are the same thing. Furthermore, these two both used the Keyblade at the same time. This is can be explained by the relationship between Roxas and Sora. Thus, that both can wield two Keyblades in fact has an important meaning. This is also related to Xehanort's memories, but this point can't be touched on just yet. Furthermore, from the time that the two were both using the Keyblade at the same time, the Organization itself was using Sora for their ultimate goal. Soon enough, each of the Organization's expectations differed. By changing Sora and Roxas's movements, eventually they became unable to use Sora for their true meaning. As a result, Sora became an obstacle to the movements of the Organization itself and he had to be defeated. But even if Sora were to be defeated, you could say there are other things to think about in making that sacrifice. Doesn't answer my question about just how exactly are all of these characters going to interact once they are all reunited or even what they will all do once the day is saved. I'm asking about future now, not past. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted December 7, 2014 Doesn't answer my question about just how exactly are all of these characters going to interact once they are all reunited or even what they will all do once the day is saved. I'm asking about future now, not past. I answered your other questions with cited interviews to back me up and all you say is I didn't answer how will they all interact in the future ? Well that depends on what Nomura decides to do with these characters . It can go in many different directions depending on too many open factors. I imagine their first concern is to get it together and conquer Xehanort then worry about social interactions. 3 Blooming Marluxia, Demyx. and luka reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted December 7, 2014 I answered your other questions with cited interviews to back me up and all you say is I didn't answer how will they all interact in the future ? Well that depends on what Nomura decides to do with these characters . It can go in many different directions depending on too many open factors. I imagine their first concern is to get it together and conquer Xehanort then worry about social interactions. No no, I'm just saying that I'm aware of all of these facts already and that you're just reminding me. You did a good job clarifying. I'm just stating what's on my mind now. 2 luka and HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted December 7, 2014 No no, I'm just saying that I'm aware of all of these facts already and that you're just reminding me. You did a good job clarifying. I'm just stating what's on my mind now. It's all good .I'm just teasing The social interactions are fun to imagine considering all the weird circumstances! 3 Blooming Marluxia, luka and Demyx. reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites