Soravids 1,056 Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) If you don't like Christians please hear me out. A LOT of people have the wrong ideal about us. If you have a bad opinion of Christians and don't want to hear from me, I understand, but please watch this once. Jesus loves you. Edited November 28, 2014 by soravids 2 OmegaForte and Exiblade7 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aru Akise 2,540 Posted November 28, 2014 I have a bad opinion about people in general. Ew, people. 3 HeyMouseSayCheese, Ceriraye and darkerturbo reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soravids 1,056 Posted November 28, 2014 I have a bad opinion about people in general. Ew, people. I understand. If you ever wanna talk to me about Christianity I'd be more than happy to tell you. Have a great day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Headphone Jack 1,147 Posted November 28, 2014 So he loves the church and the bible and believes he can only be saved through Jesus....sounds pretty much like he's actually still totally on board with religion to me... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soravids 1,056 Posted November 28, 2014 So he loves the church and the bible and believes he can only be saved through Jesus....sounds pretty much like he's actually still totally on board with religion to me... Religion is following rules. Christianity isn't a religion, it a relationship. Christians aren't religious. The cross is the only way to be saved... Because God died for our sins. 1 Exiblade7 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Headphone Jack 1,147 Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) Religion is following rules. Christianity isn't a religion, it a relationship. Christians aren't religious. The cross is the only way to be saved... Because God died for our sins. A relationship? How so? Also I'm pretty sure Christianity is definitely a religion. Religion has rules? Ok so does that mean Christians don't have rules they have to follow? Christians aren't religious? You're saying they don't religiously believe that a man called Jesus died for their sins? Don't they worship God just like a religion would? There really doesn't seem to be a difference between religion and Christianity. Edited November 28, 2014 by Headphone Jack 3 advfox, darkerturbo and Ceriraye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ceriraye 485 Posted November 28, 2014 Frankly I've grown to dislike most religious people. The ones I'm always exposed to are huge racist, homophobic and other kind of jackasses. So people and religion are meh to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingdomHearts3 2,591 Posted November 28, 2014 Religion is following rules. Christianity isn't a religion, it a relationship. Christians aren't religious. The cross is the only way to be saved... Because God died for our sins. Since you say this, I found this on a shirt on ChristianGifts: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleTSUBAME 483 Posted November 28, 2014 I think I get the point, and I like it although I don't consider myself as a christian (cause I don't specifically believe in any god though I accept everything as a possibility). At least I understood that he meant that religion is not the same thing as faith. Religion is organized and full of rules, because it's meant for controlling people, whereas faith is one individual's connection with the god and it's not bound by any rules, because only faith can save people and that makes rules lose their meaning. So in a way, faith sets people free (which of course doesn't mean you have the right to do everything). But of course, not all christians think like this, which is a shame. Isn't christianity all about forgiveness, so why some people use it to judge others? I guess they read the bible too literally and fail to understand that it was written by humans thousands of years ago. 3 OmegaForte, Anti-SOLDIER and Exiblade7 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeyMouseSayCheese 1,133 Posted November 28, 2014 I feel bad for the people who've had such bad experience with Christians. I'm not religious myself- to me, agnosticism is the only religious view that makes sense- but my family is very involved in the church (my grandfather was actually a pastor for 40+ years, and he started churches all over SoCal). I've been around good, kind religious people most of my life who have been incredibly loving and understanding to me and my family; helping us pay rent when we can't afford it that month, buying us food when we don't have any, helping us mourn loved ones that have died, and so on. It's a shame that so many people never seem to experience the good side of Christianity and only experience the hate mongering side. And in regards to the "Christianity isn't a religion" argument, it depends on how you think of religion. Wikipedia's got a good definition of religion: an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence. Christianity, however you define it, would certainly fall under that definition; things like churches and clergy and deities aren't necessarily part of the equation. 2 littleTSUBAME and hatok reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hatok 6,413 Posted November 28, 2014 I feel bad for the people who've had such bad experience with Christians. I'm not religious myself- to me, agnosticism is the only religious view that makes sense- but my family is very involved in the church (my grandfather was actually a pastor for 40+ years, and he started churches all over SoCal). I've been around good, kind religious people most of my life who have been incredibly loving and understanding to me and my family; helping us pay rent when we can't afford it that month, buying us food when we don't have any, helping us mourn loved ones that have died, and so on. It's a shame that so many people never seem to experience the good side of Christianity and only experience the hate mongering side. And in regards to the "Christianity isn't a religion" argument, it depends on how you think of religion. Wikipedia's got a good definition of religion: an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence. Christianity, however you define it, would certainly fall under that definition; things like churches and clergy and deities aren't necessarily part of the equation. Christianity is full of people, in the end. Like you I've chosen agnosticism, but my sister and her family are very devout Christians and better people for it, very much following through on the fundamental rules about kindness and helping your fellow man and such. On the reverse end, I've had Christianity offered to me almost like a bargain. A group told me that my sister and her then unborn child were doomed to burn in Hell because she had premarital sex, but that I could still save myself if I repented quickly enough. So at the end of the day, like most things in life, we should be looking at the person's actions, not their beliefs or anything else, to determine their character. 1 littleTSUBAME reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OmegaForte 1,674 Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) Well said, a few here. I've always had a hard time explaining why I'm not religious, despite of being a Christian. In the end, we're just humans who believe in God and that's it. (Of course be a civil man and not go on a killing spree.) I'm not those type who thinks I'm better because I follow a "right path." (Quoted because it's an opinion I shouldn't shove into everyone's mouth; they have every right to believe it or not.) Edited November 29, 2014 by OmegaForte Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exiblade7 1,917 Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) Religion is following rules. Christianity isn't a religion, it a relationship. Christians aren't religious. The cross is the only way to be saved... Because God died for our sins. This^ I think that Christianity isn't a religion either. To all of the people who aren't Christians, you probably won't think this is true. Edited November 29, 2014 by Toon Link Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anti-SOLDIER 68 Posted November 29, 2014 Wow. I just wanna say thanks for sharing this. It was definitely interesting and it made me learn and see some new things. 1 Exiblade7 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soravids 1,056 Posted November 30, 2014 Wow. I just wanna say thanks for sharing this. It was definitely interesting and it made me learn and see some new things. Thank YOU for watching it. I'm always glad to help. 1 Anti-SOLDIER reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites