Thoughts on the Thirteen Xehanorts

[SolsticeBas 19]

First of all, I apologize if this topic has been there before, but I can't really find a recent topic like what I'm gonna say here. I also don't intend to come off harsh/offend others, but I really feel the need to rant ATM. It's been in my chest for some time now and given that I don't have much (if any) KH-fan friends IRL, I can't throw off this burden and talk about it with them.

 

Thing is...

 

Rant begins here.

 

It's been 3 years almost and we don't know a freaking thing about the other darknesses yet. I think Nomura should explain something more about it in KH3D HD if it'll be here. Like, that YMX scene in the cathedral where Vanitas appears next to him. In the HD Remake, Vanitas could actually be summoned next to YMX and engage Sora in a fight, taunting about Ventus etc... Fighting Vanitas in that cathedral would be so rad IMO. And in the cutscene in the throne room, maybe one of the hooded figures could take off his hood and reveal to be Vanitas or Demyx or whoever's in there and say a line. Heck, one of the yet-unknown half-Xehanorts could even go and taunt Sora during the game. In other words, I hope KH3D HD will be more like KH: Re:Dream Drop Distance. They did it with Coded and COM, so why not with KH3D? The game is totally rushed IMO. Sorry if I offend people here, not my intention, but to me, KH3D just feels... meh. It could've been so much more.

 

I hope there'll be more KH3-related stuff in it too. It's all a mystery at the moment, for 3 years already and that annoys me.

 

I mean, I love the idea of Xehanort creating 13 clones of himself. Some people may find it odd but I love it. I just don't hope Nomura makes another dick move on the lines of ''it was just a dream in the Realm of Sleep, nothing more, and there's no 13 Xehanorts in KH3, whatever'' etc. I don't think he'll do it, but Nomura's done weird stuff before.

 

I don't want this idea to be totally screwed up in KH3.

 

Rant ends here.

 

 

There's also another thing... (something I actually find really awesome )

 

Some people wonder why Marluxia betrayed the old Organization. I think it's because... he somehow knew Xemnas's true plan. He might've overheard a conversation between YMX and Xemnas, even! YMX talked to Braig in the Secret Movie before picking him and Saix up. What if YMX also had a secret conversation with Xemnas about the vessels... and Marluxia overheard him? Then Marluxia decided to take matters in his own hands and prevent this whole thing by killing Xemnas and taking over the Organization? I've always had this idea since KH3D that Marluxia knew more. Before KH3D, he just seemed like an evil selfish prick to me, but KH3D changed my opinion. I don't think he'll be in the True Organization XIII. I think he'll be some kind of renegade (kinda like Shadow the Hedgehog or Sasuke Uchicha, but less dark) fighting Xehanort on his own, and Sora and co. eventually run into him and help him. Then Marluxia would explain what he actually wanted during COM.

 

Another, last thing... wouldn't it be totally awesome if there were a cutscene (or even boss fight) where the whole True Organization surrounds/attacks Sora at once, and it's a boss fight you have to lose to proceed in the storyline? Or it's a boss fight like the first Vanitas fight in BBS, where eventually you get saved by King Mickey or someone else?

 

Let me hear your thoughts!

 

-Bas

[hatok 6,413]

We don't know who the thirteen darknesses are because that's obviously a KH3 thing

it's like asking why we don't know about everyone in Organizaiton XIII before KH2 was released

 

It was all a dream makes no sense and doesn't really have a grounding in logic, it's not like the Dream Worlds are in Sora's imagination or something

 

I have my doubts about the Marluxia theory, if that's the case it wasn't hinted in the actual games at all, and between him and Larxene it seemed more like a simple coup than anything

it could easily change if/when Marluxia's Somebody is introduced, but I have heavy doubts

 

I fight against the entire Organization would be a clusterfiretruck, but it'd also be pretty cool. I personally always wanted to fight the entire Org XIII at once. Don't see why it has to be something you HAVE to lose though. You don't have to lose when you fight Vanitas, and  an alternate cutscene for winning would be nice, like with Leon in KH1

(if multiple Org members fight you at once team up attacks are a must)

[Forever 3,550]

Heh, I wonder if it will even make it that far....i think someone's going to fall out of the Organization and betray Master X. Lol, probably Xigbar.

[FerroAxel7 237]

We do some some idea where the Dark 13 are going. We know they have Xehanort, Ansem, Xemnas, YMX, Xigbar, Isa/Saix, and most likely Vanitas. That's 7 right there so the other 6 are a mystery. We have to stop bringing up Demyx because he was never that good of a member to begin with and he's dead anyway. Just like Luxord. Also don't forget Data Riku also had a quick cutscene in KH 3D. He might play into one of the 13 roles. 

 

Master Xehanort making copies of himself would be such a cop out also. YMX really pushed that line, but if he literally makes copies of himself that would be totally lame. We need new villains introduced. Maybe he picked up a few recruits in the Realm of Darkness and bargained that he could help them escape if they joined him or something. That would be more interesting than making copies of himself. 

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

All of this will be revealed in KH3.

[SolsticeBas 19]

Heh, I wonder if it will even make it that far....i think someone's going to fall out of the Organization and betray Master X. Lol, probably Xigbar.

 

I was thinking that too. Xigbar really doesn't seem like a Xehanort to me. Note how he still talks in his lighthearted, funny manner like in BBS and KH and he constantly cracks jokes about Xehanort?

 

We do some some idea where the Dark 13 are going. We know they have Xehanort, Ansem, Xemnas, YMX, Xigbar, Isa/Saix, and most likely Vanitas. That's 7 right there so the other 6 are a mystery. We have to stop bringing up Demyx because he was never that good of a member to begin with and he's dead anyway. Just like Luxord. Also don't forget Data Riku also had a quick cutscene in KH 3D. He might play into one of the 13 roles. 

 

Master Xehanort making copies of himself would be such a cop out also. YMX really pushed that line, but if he literally makes copies of himself that would be totally lame. We need new villains introduced. Maybe he picked up a few recruits in the Realm of Darkness and bargained that he could help them escape if they joined him or something. That would be more interesting than making copies of himself. 

 

I think Terra-Xehanort will also be in the True Organization XIII, given the Xehanorts from different times thing. And Xehanort said he had 2 lights in his possession (the 1st was Sora, I guess, before Lea saved him. The 2nd is very likely Terra, I think) And it could make for an interesting arc with the BBS trio IMO. Vanitas is IMO a very likely thing given he had the yellow Xehanort eyes in BBS already. So maybe he's been half-Xehanort all along. Explains why he's so deathly loyal to Xehanort during most of BBS as well. I don't think he ''literally'' makes copies of himself, I think it's more like Xehanort ''converting'' people (like Saix and Xigbar), so they take on his mindset and ideals and beliefs etc. I do think they have free will to a certain degree and retain part of themselves. I mean, Xigbar still talks like he did in BBS and KH2, in his lighthearted and funny manner, and he constantly cracks jokes about Xehanort as well (Grampa Xehanort sure is scary...) I think that if he would be completely like Xehanort, I don't think he would act like that. In other words, I think it's more like Xehanort converting them. You know, like those scary cults IRL converting and brainwashing people into thinking like them etc. Except Xehanort uses a healthy dose of black magic / darkness for it.

[FerroAxel7 237]

I was thinking that too. Xigbar really doesn't seem like a Xehanort to me. Note how he still talks in his lighthearted, funny manner like in BBS and KH and he constantly cracks jokes about Xehanort?  I think Terra-Xehanort will also be in the True Organization XIII, given the Xehanorts from different times thing. And Xehanort said he had 2 lights in his possession (the 1st was Sora, I guess, before Lea saved him. The 2nd is very likely Terra, I think) And it could make for an interesting arc with the BBS trio IMO. Vanitas is IMO a very likely thing given he had the yellow Xehanort eyes in BBS already. So maybe he's been half-Xehanort all along. Explains why he's so deathly loyal to Xehanort during most of BBS as well. I don't think he ''literally'' makes copies of himself, I think it's more like Xehanort ''converting'' people (like Saix and Xigbar), so they take on his mindset and ideals and beliefs etc. I do think they have free will to a certain degree and retain part of themselves. I mean, Xigbar still talks like he did in BBS and KH2, in his lighthearted and funny manner, and he constantly cracks jokes about Xehanort as well (Grampa Xehanort sure is scary...) I think that if he would be completely like Xehanort, I don't think he would act like that. In other words, I think it's more like Xehanort converting them. You know, like those scary cults IRL converting and brainwashing people into thinking like them etc. Except Xehanort uses a healthy dose of black magic / darkness for it.

Yes it makes more sense that he converts people who already exist. It just fits as a better story. Also I believe Terra will be saved by Sora and become a guardian of the light. Xehanort said he has two lights in his possession...at the time. Terra is constantly fighting xehanort to not be lost forever. He was already shown in Blank Points insinuating sora will save him and Ventus too. But you never know what will happen. Also I think terra/xehanort is out of commission somehow. His Heartless is Ansem and we haven't seen Terranort since BBS. So if Sora saves Terra,Terranort would be incomplete.

[Forever 3,550]

I was thinking that too. Xigbar really doesn't seem like a Xehanort to me. Note how he still talks in his lighthearted, funny manner like in BBS and KH and he constantly cracks jokes about Xehanort?

 

 

 

I know right? About died when he called him an "old coot"