KH3D Are There Two Young Xehanorts?

[Firaga 5,947]

Once again, the Kingdom Hearts lore attempts to boggle my mind. So, hear me out and let's see if we can get through this together.

 

Now before I start yapping, know three things: 1) The reason this is a DDD topic is because the context of the scenarios I'll be referencing are set in DDD, 2) I'm not implying there are two active, young versions of Xehanort in the current story, and 3) if you think I'm over-analyzing this... then please, don't make me feel like even more of an idiot right now. Have some courtesy. 

 

So then! In DDD, we find out about the antics and existence of Young Xehanort and how he played a role with infiltrating the Mark of Mastery and blah blah blah blah blah, however... something bugs me about it.

 

We learn that the Young Xehanort we knew from DDD was given time travel powers by Xehanort's Heartless, which allowed him to travel through time and gather up alternate versions of Xehanort throughout time. He then returned to his own timeline after capturing Sora in DDD, and would grow into the current incarnation of Master Xehanort, who is the leader of the True Organization.

 

But you see, after that happens, we see that the Young Xehanort is indeed another vessel in the Organization... wait, what?

 

Now hear me out, I don't understand how this is: the Young Xehanort we know is the current Master Xehanort, right? So how did that Xehanort, in his prime and before he captured Sora, find another version of himself and make him a vessel of the True Org.? If that's even how it happened? If not, then how else would there be another Young Xehanort? Did the original one clone himself? Did he go back in time and pick up himself? Or did Xehanort, the current Master Xehanort, simply give the vessel a piece of his essence to turn him into his younger self? Or is there something else going on that I can't even try to understand??

 

I don't have the answer to this question. Which is why I'm posing it to you, the smarter-than-me audience of KH13. So tell me: are there two Young Xehanorts: the Xehanort we know as the current Xehanort, and another Young Xehanort made from however-the-hell-it-happened to be used by the current Xehanort as a vessel??

[AuraAce 1,126]

personally. I think Xehanort and Riku are either the same person or related in some way, there is some possible evidence to back this up.

 

1. Riku and Young Xehanort's battle stances are very similar to each other.

2. They both have/had affiliations to darkness.

3. Same hair color.

4. Both lived on Destiny Island and wanted to find the outside world.

5. Although it isn't confirmed, we can assume that they both had the inheritance ceremony (Can't explain as it spoils one of the secret movies of Re:Coded.5)

6. Finally in the Disney Magic 2.5 Trailer, they show a sequence on Master Xehanort which then cuts to Young Xehanort on Destiny Island then he fades into Riku in the same position.

 

This evidence is somewhat conclusive but there still are points to be skeptical about.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

There are two types of vessels, those that are people MX implanted a piece of his heart in and past versions of himself that have his entire heart because they're the same person. YX is the first type so the YX that was sent to gather the vessels is in fact the same one that is a vessel. Apparently Xehanort has the ability to take full control of anyone who has a piece of his heart, since YX and MX are the same person they have the same heart which means that MX can take full control of his younger self whenever he wishes. As for YX gathering "alternate versions" of MX, that's a bit misleading as these aren't exactly alternate versions just the same man at different ages or people he's possessed. For example the YX in 3D appears to be about 17, while the first one we see, the one from the BBSFM secret movie, the same one from the end of 3D looked like he was about 20

 

personally. I think Xehanort and Riku are either the same person or related in some way, there is some possible evidence to back this up.1. Riku and Young Xehanort's battle stances are very similar to each other.2. They both have/had affiliations to darkness.3. Same hair color.4. Both lived on Destiny Island and wanted to find the outside world.5. Although it isn't confirmed, we can assume that they both had the inheritance ceremony (Can't explain as it spoils one of the secret movies of Re:Coded.5)6. Finally in the Disney Magic 2.5 Trailer, they show a sequence on Master Xehanort which then cuts to Young Xehanort on Destiny Island then he fades into Riku in the same position.This evidence is somewhat conclusive but there still are points to be skeptical about.

1. coincidance2. Because Riku was possessed by Xehanort's Heartless3. coincidance4. 5 yr old Riku said in BBS that he wanted to leave because he heard a story about a boy who did it. That boy was likely Young Xehanoprt

5. All Keyblade wielders (except Sora) go through the ceremony.6. That's just a scene from BbS FM

I mean I know there are supposedly no coincidences in KH, but that only refers to destiny not battle stances or appearance.

I'm not trying to be rude, but these ties are very weak, using this logic one could easily say that Terra is Sora's dad.

Edited October 19, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno

[Kaweebo 3,617]

personally. I think Xehanort and Riku are either the same person or related in some way, there is some possible evidence to back this up.1. Riku and Young Xehanort's battle stances are very similar to each other.2. They both have/had affiliations to darkness.3. Same hair color.4. Both lived on Destiny Island and wanted to find the outside world.5. Although it isn't confirmed, we can assume that they both had the inheritance ceremony (Can't explain as it spoils one of the secret movies of Re:Coded.5)6. Finally in the Disney Magic 2.5 Trailer, they show a sequence on Master Xehanort which then cuts to Young Xehanort on Destiny Island then he fades into Riku in the same position.This evidence is somewhat conclusive but there still are points to be skeptical about.

I've been having the same thought. It seems very conspiratorial, but it does have a fair bit of evidence to back it up. 

[Reflet 201]

You know... I've actually never realized that...

[JTD95 1,107]

Young Xehanort is Master Xehanort. He is already a Xehanort, he doesn't need a piece of Master Xehanort's heart. Only people that weren't Xehanort to begin with needs to be converted. Such as Braig and Isa. Master Xehanort needs thirteen versions of himself. Don't know why he couldn't just gather twelve younger versions of himself rather than having to convert people but I guess that would be messing with his own time line too much.

Edited October 19, 2014 by JTD95

[Firaga 5,947]

There are two types of vessels, those that are people MX implanted a piece of his heart in and past versions of himself that have his entire heart because they're the same person. YX is the first type so the YX that was sent to gather the vessels is in fact the same one that is a vessel. Apparently Xehanort has the ability to take full control of anyone who has a piece of his heart, since YX and MX are the same person they have the same heart which means that MX can take full control of his younger self whenever he wishes. As for YX gathering "alternate versions" of MX, that's a bit misleading as these aren't exactly alternate versions just the same man at different ages or people he's possessed. For example the YX in 3D appears to be about 17, while the first one we see, the one from the BBSFM secret movie, the same one from the end of 3D looked like he was about 20.

 

Blegh, when I said "alternate", I meant othe rversions across different time periods, pardon my wording. But anyways: what you're telling me is basically that Xehanort can just create a younger version of himself out of the blue, right?

 

Young Xehanort is Master Xehanort. He is already a Xehanort, he doesn't need a piece of Master Xehanort's heart. Only people that weren't Xehanort to begin with needs to be converted. Such as Braig and Isa. Master Xehanort needs thirteen versions of himself. Don't know why he couldn't just gather twelve younger versions of himself rather than having to convert people but I guess that would be messing with his own time line too much.

 

I know who the two are, no need to clarify. But again, you're pointing out that Xehanort, the new young one, is part of the original old Xehanort, and that he doesn't need to be given a piece of the orignal's heart to be a nort like Braig and Isa, so I get that.

Edited October 19, 2014 by Firaga Sensei

[MythrilMagician 6,963]

My theory is that he is one of the true members of Organisation XIII, else he would not be there.

[JTD95 1,107]

I know who the two are, no need to clarify. But again, you're pointing out that Xehanort, the new young one, is part of the original old Xehanort, and that he doesn't need to be given a piece of the orignal's heart to be a nort like Braig and Isa, so I get that.

Then I don't get what you don't get.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Blegh, when I said "alternate", I meant othe rversions across different time periods, pardon my wording. But anyways: what you're telling me is basically that Xehanort can just create a younger version of himself out of the blue, right?

 

 

I know who the two are, no need to clarify. But again, you're pointing out that Xehanort, the new young one, is part of the original old Xehanort, and that he doesn't need to be given a piece of the orignal's heart to be a nort like Braig and Isa, so I get that.

No, he can't exactly create one but one can be summoned from the past and then he can take full control of him. As for the "alternate" thing it's just some people see that and think AU for some reason so I was just clarifying.

[Firaga 5,947]

No, he can't exactly create one but one can be summoned from the past and then he can take full control of him.

 

Ohhh, right. That's handy.

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

Maybe he just needed to make up numbers. From the looks of things, he was getting a bit desperate. I mean, he originally wanted Riku, a plan that almost NEVER works, then he wanted Roxas, which also wouldn't have worked because now he know too much about who he really is to be submissive, and then he resorted to Sora, who he admits he never considered as a problem in any of his previous plans which lead to each failure. By choosing a wild card like Sora, it shows that he might have reached the end of his rope in terms of ideas. And since he tasked his younger self with gathering everybody else, it made sense to leave one of the final spots for him. Point is, his actions are so strange because they are so drastic. However, with the goal he has of creating the X-Blade, he only needs everybody to be around long enough to fight the 7 guardians of light. If there is some kind of magic time limit to how long all the other vessels can be displaced from time, maybe it would have been long enough to forge the blade and then everybody get's returned to their own points in time, rationalizing the idea that there is only one Young Xehanort who just had to be around long enough to fulfill the task required of him. Obviously the first attempt didn't succeed, but it sounds like Xehanort still has a method to gather everybody in present day again enough in a way that will make the 13 seekers of darkness enough of a present day threat for the 7 guardians of light. What I think the real question should be is will Xehanort just pull everybody out of their own times again or did his plan already account for the possibility of a second gathering that everybody is already prepared to attend?

 

Regardless though, seeing as how the method of forging the X-Blade only required everybody to be around long enough to fight each other (unless they all have to fuse together...they still haven't explained that too well yet), that means that Young Xehanort is allowed to stick around, go back in time, and become Master Xehanort without having to copy himself just to make up the empty seat, because he's already been there. It's kind of like thinking of it like a rope in a loop. One end is Young Xehanort's time, the other end is Master Xehanort's time, and the part where the loop starts to incline is very close to the Master Xehanort end, then it continues to return closer back to the Young Xehanort end and then resumes a linear path forward towards the Master Xehanort end properly. As opposed to a straight line, it's a loop.

 

I hope that helped. It's really confusing trying to be the Doctor to somebody.