The Kingdom of Hearts (the KH made by the worlds' heart)

[Wateraptor 37]

I've read the Ultimania entry about this kind of Kh (the one we have seen in KHI) and I've a doubt about. I've understood that the door to the darkness lead to the realm of darkness (obviously) AND to the Kingdom Hearts. Does this mean that this Kh is located in the RoD?Please help me.

Edited October 13, 2014 by Wateraptor

[Cucco 1,907]

Well first off it's not called kingdom of hearts.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

The Kingdom Hearts in KH1 is an artificial one and not the true KH. The true KH doesn't need "made" and is actually summoned. Thats why MX wants the X blade .

[Dr. Shimo 202]

Basically, it seems that both Kingdom Hearts that were made are, in a sense, replicas of the original. I think they have potential for the power of it, and the right to be their own thing, just like any of the human Replicas we have seen.

 

However, as for where the true Kingdom Hearts is, that I cannot quite say for sure where exactly. It may have it's own realm, for all we really know. I've heard a lot about it being in the Realm of Darkness, but if that is the case why in the world aren't the Heartless trying to consume it?? Is its light too powerful for nonsentient beings to be able to conquer?Thoughts and ramblings

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

The article is saying that there are different methods of reaching Kingdom Hearts, or a lesser version of it. But there is only one way to reach the TRUE Kingdom Hearts (not "Kingdom of Hearts" like you said by the way). The Kingdom Hearts of Worlds' Hearts in KH1 was created from the hearts stolen from various worlds. While it did build a Kingdom Hearts, this Kingdom Hearts was used as a Door to Darkness. Kingdom Hearts itself isn't Darkness, it's just that through Kingdom Hearts, the Door to Darkness can be accessed. Ansem was just using Kingdom Hearts to gain access to the Realm of Darkness, so that the Hearless could freely escape into the Realm of Light and plunge everything into Darkness. This Kingdom Hearts wasn't a domain, but rather a tool. Similarly, the Kingdom Hearts of People's Hearts from KH2  was being used as a tool to infuse hearts into empty Nobodies, not as a dominion. Both Kingdom Hearts were used as tools to achieve particular goals of Xehanort, but this time Xehanort is after THE TRUE Kingdom Hearts, as a dominion where he can tip the current balance of Light and Dark into the way that he sees fit. Kingdom Hears can be used as a conduit for many things, but in the end it's true existence is as a place and a Heart of the entire world.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Yes, the True Kingdom Hearts is trapped within the deepest part of the Realm of Darkness, beyond even the reach of the Heartless. The yellow Kingdom Hearts that Xemnas creates was an imitation made from the "Hearts of Men", the one blue one that Xehanort called in BbS was a composite created from the "Hearts of Worlds" (Directors Secret Report XIII) http://www.khwiki.com/Director%27s_Secret_Report_XIII The one in KH was also made from the Hearts of Worlds(3D)
So basically

Fake
Fake
Fake
 

Edited October 13, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno

[PaulodiCarvalho 3]

Well in the tale of the Key Blade war, we came to learn that in that clash the X-blade was destroyed and darknees swallowed Kingdom Hearts and it was never to surface again. So the true Kingdom Hearts is somewhere deep in the Realm of Darkness, but it is not just a giant heart of The World (there's a difference in KH series when u say "world" and "World", beeing the second one when u want to refer to the whole universe of the franchise), it is a domain (like the other one said) that can only be accessed by using the X-blade. The Kingdom Hearts of KH1 is the real one (not a fake one like the other one said) that is trapped in the RoD, in KH2 it was made by the hearts Sora has set free, and in BBS was just a fake that MX summoned

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Yes, the True Kingdom Hearts is trapped within the deepest part of the Realm of Darkness, beyond even the reach of the Heartless. The yellow Kingdom Hearts that Xemnas creates was an imitation made from the "Hearts of Men", the one blue one that Xehanort called in BbS was a composite created from the "Hearts of Worlds" (Directors Secret Report XIII) http://www.khwiki.com/Director%27s_Secret_Report_XIII The report doesn't mention weather or not the first version we see, the one in the first game, was created so It seems like it was the real one.

So basically...

Fake

Fake

Real

 

 

 

Nope even the first games KH is fake . Created by the hearts of worlds . Even the archives in DDD state this We have yet to see the real KH yet according to Nomura himself .

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Nope even the first games KH is fake . Created by the hearts of worlds . Even the archives in DDD state this We have yet to see the real KH yet according to Nomura himself .

Dammit, I thought I'd finally gotten one over on you. But true we didn't see the actual Kingdom Hearts, just it's silhouette so If it weren't for the 3D entree it still could have easily been said that we hadn't yet seen the true Kingdom Hearts and that the silhouette was of the real one and not one made from the hearts of worlds and that those hearts where only used to open the way.Still the true Kingdom Hearts is in the Realm of Darkness.

Edited October 13, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Dammit, I thought I'd finally gotten one over on you. But true we didn't see the actual Kingdom Hearts, just it's silhouette so If it weren't for the 3D entree it still could have easily been said that we hadn't yet seen the true Kingdom Hearts and that the silhouette was of the real one and not one made from the hearts of worlds and that those hearts where only used to open the way.Still the true Kingdom Hearts is in the Realm of Darkness.

 

 

If you ask me it might have intended to be real when it was first made as a standalone ( they weren't sure if there would be sequels or not based on how it would succeed or not ) Now at this point in the series it's definitely not real .I think we will finally see the real one in KH3

[Wateraptor 37]

Well first off it's not called kingdom of hearts.

 

 

The article is saying that there are different methods of reaching Kingdom Hearts, or a lesser version of it. But there is only one way to reach the TRUE Kingdom Hearts (not "Kingdom of Hearts" like you said by the way). The Kingdom Hearts of Worlds' Hearts in KH1 was created from the hearts stolen from various worlds. While it did build a Kingdom Hearts, this Kingdom Hearts was used as a Door to Darkness. Kingdom Hearts itself isn't Darkness, it's just that through Kingdom Hearts, the Door to Darkness can be accessed. Ansem was just using Kingdom Hearts to gain access to the Realm of Darkness, so that the Hearless could freely escape into the Realm of Light and plunge everything into Darkness. This Kingdom Hearts wasn't a domain, but rather a tool. Similarly, the Kingdom Hearts of People's Hearts from KH2  was being used as a tool to infuse hearts into empty Nobodies, not as a dominion. Both Kingdom Hearts were used as tools to achieve particular goals of Xehanort, but this time Xehanort is after THE TRUE Kingdom Hearts, as a dominion where he can tip the current balance of Light and Dark into the way that he sees fit. Kingdom Hears can be used as a conduit for many things, but in the end it's true existence is as a place and a Heart of the entire world.

I'm sorry, I'll edit everything I can, I didn't remember well.However have we ever seen the first kind of Kingdom Hearts, the one made by worlds' hearts? Because it was a door (I think it was the door to the realm of darkness, which leads to Kingdom Hearts too) and not the big heart of light like the other two we have seen.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

I'm sorry, I'll edit everything I can, I didn't remember well.

 

However have we ever seen the first kind of Kingdom Hearts, the one made by worlds' hearts? Because it was a door (I think it was the door to the realm of darkness, which leads to Kingdom Hearts too) and not the big heart of light like the other two we have seen.

There where two Kingdom Hearts made from the Hearts of Worlds. The one in the fist game which we saw the silhouette of and the blue one in BbS. though unlike the first it was made by using the false x-blade to connect the hearts of the worlds rather then from stolen world hearts gathered by the Heartless.

 

 

If you ask me it might have intended to be real when it was first made as a standalone ( they weren't sure if there would be sequels or not based on how it would succeed or not  ) Now at this point in the series it's definitely not real .I think we will finally see the real one in KH3 

 

I still don't see why making sequels would require that to change as, like I said, we only saw the silhouette, not the actual Kingdom Hearts to the color would still be a mystery. I think silver like the real moon.

 

O.O what if... there's more that one Kingdom Hearts in KH III?

Edited October 13, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno

[Wateraptor 37]

There where two Kingdom Hearts made from the Hearts of Worlds. The one in the fist game which we saw the silhouette of and the blue one in BbS. though unlike the first it was made by using the false x-blade to connect the hearts of the worlds rather then from stolen world hearts gathered by the Heartless.

 

I still don't see why making sequels would require that to change as, like I said, we only saw the silhouette, not the actual Kingdom Hearts to the color would still be a mystery. I think silver like the real moon.O.O what if.. there more that one Kingdom Hearts in KH III?

Ok thank you.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

There where two Kingdom Hearts made from the Hearts of Worlds. The one in the fist game which we saw the silhouette of and the blue one in BbS. though unlike the first it was made by using the false x-blade to connect the hearts of the worlds rather then from stolen world hearts gathered by the Heartless.

 

I still don't see why making sequels would require that to change as, like I said, we only saw the silhouette, not the actual Kingdom Hearts to the color would still be a mystery. I think silver like the real moon.O.O what if... there's more that one Kingdom Hearts in KH III?

 

Well why does Nomura keep retconning and changing stuff? Because he's writing this as he goes so things change. I also never disputed or even said what color i think it is so i'm confused on why you are saying that .lol

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Well why does Nomura keep retconning and changing stuff? Because he's writing this as he goes so things change. I also never disputed or even said what color i think it is so i'm confused on why you are saying that .lol

I'm saying we know the true Kingdom Hearts, just like the imitations, will likely be in the shape of a heart-shaped moon so the only mystery is the color of said moon. Since we never saw the color of the one in the first game, there was no need for him to retcon it so that it wasn't the true one because the mystery wasn't compromised.

 

The thing about it being silver was just my own personal opinion on the color of the true Kingdom Hearts since the real world moon is silver (when not viewed through filter of pollution) and combining Yellow and Blue, the two colors of the fakes we've seen, produces white (on a computer)

Edited October 13, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I'm saying we know the true Kingdom Hearts, just like the imitations, will likely be in the shape of a heart-shaped moon so the only mystery is the color of said moon. Since we never saw the color of the one in the first game, there was no need for him to retcon it so that it wasn't the true one because the mystery wasn't compromised.

 

The thing about it being silver was just my own personal opinion on the color of the true Kingdom Hearts since the real world moon is silver and combining Yellow and Blue, the two colors of the fakes we've seen, produces white (on a computer)

 

oh ok . As for retconning I merely mentioned it was entirely possible for the first one to at one point in time intended to be the real thing . Even though it obviously isn't now .That's all

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

oh ok . As for retconning I merely mentioned it was entirely possible for the first one to at one point in time intended to be the real thing . Even though it obviously isn't now .That's all

I get what you where saying. I agree it probably was which is why i just don't think there was any need since we didn't really see it. usually I can follow Nomura logic but i just don't get this one. Seems unnecessary.

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

I'm sorry, I'll edit everything I can, I didn't remember well.However have we ever seen the first kind of Kingdom Hearts, the one made by worlds' hearts? Because it was a door (I think it was the door to the realm of darkness, which leads to Kingdom Hearts too) and not the big heart of light like the other two we have seen.

Does it really matter if we saw the first one as a door and not a moon? I honestly don't think it matters that much. Kingdom Hearts is a mysterious force, who knows what rules go behind it's appearance? The point is we DID see the Kingdom Hearts of Worlds' Hearts, and it didn't have to look like a moon like the other ones have. And if you're still hurt about it, there was still a heart behind the door, you just have to look hard enough.

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

Yes, the True Kingdom Hearts is trapped within the deepest part of the Realm of Darkness, beyond even the reach of the Heartless. The yellow Kingdom Hearts that Xemnas creates was an imitation made from the "Hearts of Men", the one blue one that Xehanort called in BbS was a composite created from the "Hearts of Worlds" (Directors Secret Report XIII) http://www.khwiki.com/Director%27s_Secret_Report_XIII The one in KH was also made from the Hearts of Worlds(3D)

So basically

Fake

Fake

Fake

 

 

 

There where two Kingdom Hearts made from the Hearts of Worlds. The one in the fist game which we saw the silhouette of and the blue one in BbS. though unlike the first it was made by using the false x-blade to connect the hearts of the worlds rather then from stolen world hearts gathered by the Heartless.

 

I still don't see why making sequels would require that to change as, like I said, we only saw the silhouette, not the actual Kingdom Hearts to the color would still be a mystery. I think silver like the real moon.

 

O.O what if... there's more that one Kingdom Hearts in KH III?

 

Wait wait wait, hold on! So the Blue Kingdom Hearts at the end of Birth by Sleep was not only a fake Kingdom Hearts, but the same "type" of Kingdom Hearts as the one at the end of Kingdom Hearts 1!? Nomura said that Kingdom Hearts was supposed to be a "true" Kingdom Hearts, but it's a fake too now?   "

 

Ok, so basically the X-Blade that Xehanort made wasn't a legit X-Blade (or rather A X-Blade and not THE X-Blade), but by using it he was connecting all of the worlds' hearts to create a Kingdom Hearts of Worlds' Hearts without having to steal them? So basically the one in Birth by Sleep and the one in Kingdom Hearts were the same type, the only difference being that the methods to create it were slightly different? Am I getting it right so far? 

 

Furthermore, if the X-Blade was necessary to even summon the dang thing in the first place, then how the heck was Xehanort able to summon it before it was even forged? Was Ventus and Vanitas simply being there enough to prompt the moon to show up in anticipation for the blade to unlock it? Because if not, I'm almost convinced that Xehanort has some kind of doorbell ability to make a Kingdom Hearts just show up anywhere he wants whenever he wants, because they almost never explain how he did that dark fireball summoning thingy. 

 

Anyway, if this is all true according to the up to date Ultimania, then that would mean that the Kingdom Hearts in BbS was a "Fake-true" Kingdom Hearts brought about by a "fake" X-Blade that connected worlds' hearts and was actually a Kingdom Hearts of Worlds' Hearts, the Kingdom Hearts in KH1 was another Kingdom Hearts of Worlds' Hearts only this time created by stealing other worlds' hearts by the Heartless in order to summon the Door To Darkness, and the Kingdom Hearts in 358/2 Days and KH2 was a Kingdom Hearts of People's Hearts created by stealing the lost hearts of people who turned into Heartless. Each time in summoning a Kingdom Hearts, Xehanort used a different "improper" method of summoning the Heart of All Worlds, usually with a different goal in mind with each one. However, now he has the correct method in mind to create the True X-Blade, and with it he will be able to properly summon the True Kingdom Hearts, the True Heart of All Worlds. 

 

I really hope I've got this right so far, because all these amendments and retcons to the series is making my head spin.

Edited October 14, 2014 by Hero of Light XIV

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Wait wait wait, hold on! So the Blue Kingdom Hearts at the end of Birth by Sleep was not only a fake Kingdom Hearts, but the same "type" of Kingdom Hearts as the one at the end of Kingdom Hearts 1!? Nomura said that Kingdom Hearts was supposed to be a "true" Kingdom Hearts, but it's a fake too now?   "

 

Ok, so basically the X-Blade that Xehanort made wasn't a legit X-Blade (or rather A X-Blade and not THE X-Blade), but by using it he was connecting all of the worlds' hearts to create a Kingdom Hearts of Worlds' Hearts without having to steal them? So basically the one in Birth by Sleep and the one in Kingdom Hearts were the same type, the only difference being that the methods to create it were slightly different? Am I getting it right so far? 

 

Furthermore, if the X-Blade was necessary to even summon the dang thing in the first place, then how the heck was Xehanort able to summon it before it was even forged? Was Ventus and Vanitas simply being there enough to prompt the moon to show up in anticipation for the blade to unlock it? Because if not, I'm almost convinced that Xehanort has some kind of doorbell ability to make a Kingdom Hearts just show up anywhere he wants whenever he wants, because they almost never explain how he did that dark fireball summoning thingy. 

 

Anyway, if this is all true according to the up to date Ultimania, then that would mean that the Kingdom Hearts in BbS was a "Fake-true" Kingdom Hearts brought about by a "fake" X-Blade that connected worlds' hearts and was actually a Kingdom Hearts of Worlds' Hearts, the Kingdom Hearts in KH1 was another Kingdom Hearts of Worlds' Hearts only this time created by stealing other worlds' hearts by the Heartless in order to summon the Door To Darkness, and the Kingdom Hearts in 358/2 Days and KH2 was a Kingdom Hearts of People's Hearts created by stealing the lost hearts of people who turned into Heartless. Each time in summoning a Kingdom Hearts, Xehanort used a different "improper" method of summoning the Heart of All Worlds, usually with a different goal in mind with each one. However, now he has the correct method in mind to create the True X-Blade, and with it he will be able to properly summon the True Kingdom Hearts, the True Heart of All Worlds. 

 

I really hope I've got this right so far, because all these amendments and retcons to the series is making my head spin.

Yep same type, different method. The true Kingdom Hearts can't be made, it needs to by called by the true x-blade and connects and contains the hearts of both men and worlds, all hearts that have or will exist are there save for the ones that have already been born and are currently living.

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

Yep same type, different method. The true Kingdom Hearts can't be made, it needs to by called by the true x-blade and connects and contains the hearts of both men and worlds, all hearts that have or will exist are there save for the ones that have already been born and are currently living.

Ulgh, my head is spinning. I probably need a good night's sleep to process this. Still, I think I get it now. 

 

Though now that I think of it, how is it that Kingdom Hearts can be an absolute thing, yet have various versions of it that contain only a fraction of its power? I mean, I get that Keyblades were made in imitation of the X-Blade, and it makes sense that a lesser X-Blade can be formed, but those are weapons, that makes sense. How is it that several impromptu Kingdom Hearts may exist when the true one has yet to be rediscovered?