Some Worlds in KH are Alternate Earths!

[Kingdom Of Me 171]

Recently I've been wondering about the world maps, and what the worlds we see in the map really mean. If you look closely they don't make much sense, and I've wondered if they are truly representative of the extant of that world, and that the worlds sometimes grow or change like in KHII. Then I remembered something about Deep Jungle, it has a globe right outside it's tent. With closer examination it is clear that it is the globe of the Earth, it even says Asia, America, Africa, Etc. But what did that mean? And then I remembered that one other world had a globe as well, Ariel's Grotto in Atlantica. The globe in the Grotto is the same globe found in Deep Jungle, so one can assume that both take place on Earth, but maybe not the same Earth. That means that the Worlds on the world map aren't representative of everyplace and area in that "World". Also I doubt that the same "world map" exists in Sora's reality, and is only for the player's benefit (A symbol). Meaning that the Planet that Deep Jungle takes place, wouldn't really be called Deep Jungle. This may not be shocking, but I found this discovery really interesting since it is not true for every world, only some, Wonderland would be more like an alien planet rather than an alternate Earth. Maybe as well as Traverse Town and Radiant Garden. And what about Destiny Island? Is it a whole planet filled with Islands or is it just Hawaii or one of the Islands of Japan? And when Sora said "Lets go to other worlds" what if he really meant just the nearest continent? So how would Sora ever find the Keyholes if some of the planets are the size of Earth? I bet you that the gummi ship has a radar the approximates the Keyhole. And that is why that the keyhole in Atlantica was underwater, Sora might have saw land around the area, but Donald wanted to land in the ocean. And in another Earth-like Planet it wanted them to land in South America, that is why Donald said it was a "Backwater place" despite in their reality that there would be a city maybe 4,000 miles North. So what do you think? Did you know all this already, disagree and think that the worlds are really that confined and the same all around? Do you have another theory or explanation?  

Edited September 6, 2014 by Oblivian474

[Ruby Rose 8,591]

"The darkness spread, swallowing the light and many people's hearts. It covered everything, and the world disappeared. But small fragments of light survived... in the hearts of children. With these fragments of light, children rebuilt the lost world. It's the world we live in now. But the true light sleeps deep within the darkness. That's why the worlds are still scattered, divided from each other."

 

I've always assumed each world is just a part of the original "Earth", but the Keyblade War or some other event broke them up into pieces and in turn each piece just got the title of "world" after a while

 

Kind of like the supercontinent Pangaea but on a more grand scale

Edited September 6, 2014 by Ruby Rose

[Exiblade7 1,917]

"The darkness spread, swallowing the light and many people's hearts. It covered everything, and the world disappeared. But small fragments of light survived... in the hearts of children. With these fragments of light, children rebuilt the lost world. It's the world we live in now. But the true light sleeps deep within the darkness. That's why the worlds are still scattered, divided from each other."I've always assumed each world is just a part of the original "Earth", but the Keyblade War or some other event broke them up into pieces and in turn each piece just got the title of "world" after a whileKind of like the supercontinent Pangaea but on a more grand scale

This is starting to make sense now. Thanks

[Kingdom Of Me 171]

"The darkness spread, swallowing the light and many people's hearts. It covered everything, and the world disappeared. But small fragments of light survived... in the hearts of children. With these fragments of light, children rebuilt the lost world. It's the world we live in now. But the true light sleeps deep within the darkness. That's why the worlds are still scattered, divided from each other."I've always assumed each world is just a part of the original "Earth", but the Keyblade War or some other event broke them up into pieces and in turn each piece just got the title of "world" after a whileKind of like the super continent Pangaea but on a more grand scale

I thought about that too, but maybe "Divided" doesn't mean a portion divide like taking a part a peace of the puzzle, but maybe a more like dividing in the sense that cells divide? A Cell divides but they remain relatively the same size, but differ slightly? Maybe that Darkness created the alternate Earths. How do you Exsplain that some worlds that would be Earth take places years a part? (Land of the Dragon in Imperial China) and Coliseum in ancient greece, as well as 1960s for Deep Jungle and Neverland (London)? Also Jane, and Clyton in Deep Jungle aren't life long residents of Deep Jungle, "We came to study the gorillas" 

[Sorarocks93 678]

I thought about that too, but maybe "Divided" doesn't mean a portion divide like taking a part a peace of the puzzle, but maybe a more like dividing in the sense that cells divide? A Cell divides but they remain relatively the same size, but differ slightly? Maybe that Darkness created the alternate Earths. How do you Exsplain that some worlds that would be Earth take places years a part? (Land of the Dragon in Imperial China) and Coliseum in ancient greece, as well as 1960s for Deep Jungle and Neverland (London)? Also Jane, and Clyton in Deep Jungle aren't life long residents of Deep Jungle, "We came to study the gorillas" 

Maybe the same way Hook's ship can go anywhere? I mean we found it in space, but it was on the sea. So are we really just traveling across the sea when on the gummi ship?

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Since they're mostly Disney worlds, and most Disney movies take somewhere on Earth, um, yeah. I thought this was obvious?

 

The Lion King and Tarzan take place in Africa,  Beauty and the Beast, Cinderella, The Hunchback of Notre Dame and Mickey, Donald, Goofy: The Three Musketeers all take place in France, Snow White and the Seven Dwarves takes place in Germany, and The Little Mermaid and Frozen take place in and around Norway but they don't take place at the same time even if they're in the same country. Since the events all seem to happen a the same time in KH, it's the only explanation.

 

Though I used to think that The Little Mermaid took place somewhere in the Mediterranean because of Ariel being a Mermaid and Eric's looks.

Edited September 6, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno

[Kingdom Of Me 171]

Maybe the same way Hook's ship can go anywhere? I mean we found it in space, but it was on the sea. So are we really just traveling across the sea when on the gummi ship?

I don't think we are crossing the sea, I don't think it is all the same one Earth, but rather many earths. Like DC Universe has many Earths. And Hook's ship is apparently a Vessel, like the Gummi world, I think it can go to other worlds.

[Ruby Rose 8,591]

I thought about that too, but maybe "Divided" doesn't mean a portion divide like taking a part a peace of the puzzle, but maybe a more like dividing in the sense that cells divide? A Cell divides but they remain relatively the same size, but differ slightly? Maybe that Darkness created the alternate Earths. How do you Exsplain that some worlds that would be Earth take places years a part? (Land of the Dragon in Imperial China) and Coliseum in ancient greece, as well as 1960s for Deep Jungle and Neverland (London)? Also Jane, and Clyton in Deep Jungle aren't life long residents of Deep Jungle, "We came to study the gorillas"

Deep Jungle could very well still be connected to London, I really can't say as all we have to go off of is their dialogue I would blame their taking place at different times on the fact they were separated. Following my theory, the world being broken apart wasn't a recent event, long long ago in Kingdom Hearts lore "Earth" was divided up into smaller pieces, back before the world as a whole was all that advancedAs time went on certain fragments became more advanced than others, as an example some pieces were able to construct the Deep Space ship that traverses the stars while worlds like Dwarf Woodlands and Olympus Coliseum never got on board to become more technologically advancedPlus there's Sleeping Worlds, where a fragment of the original "Earth" is stuck in a dreamAcknowledging this, it's very possible each fragment is running at a different rate of time, where some are progressing while others are still decades if not centuries underdevelopedMy point is when they broke apart, they were all on an equal playing field, then after that some "worlds" began to evolve while others did not

[HaneulWay 92]

Weird, yet interesting concept. In the manga its referred too as the "world" and sometimes worlds at different points.

[Kingdom Of Me 171]

Deep Jungle could very well still be connected to London, I really can't say as all we have to go off of is their dialogueI would blame their taking place at different times on the fact they were separated. Following my theory, the world being broken apart wasn't a recent event, long long ago in Kingdom Hearts lore "Earth" was divided up into smaller pieces, back before the world as a whole was all that advancedAs time went on certain fragments became more advanced than others, as an example some pieces were able to construct the Deep Space ship that traverses the stars while worlds like Dwarf Woodlands and Olympus Coliseum never got on board to become more technologically advancedPlus there's Sleeping Worlds, where a fragment of the original "Earth" is stuck in a dreamAcknowledging this, it's very possible each fragment is running at a different rate of time, where some are progressing while others are still decades if not centuries underdevelopedMy point is when they broke apart, they were all on an equal playing field, then after that some "worlds" began to evolve while others did not

Okay, but I have trouble believing that they were all one place in the sense that the world of Winnie the pooh used to be shared with Port Royal, and if you take a ship from Port Royal You'll find wonderland and pride rock on the way you know? As I said before maybe they divided differently then we would think. Perhaps 1,000 years ago the whole world was Radiant Garden, Or Earth or whatever, and none of the drastically different places existed yet. When the darkness came and divided that world, each one stayed mostly whole, but maybe rules, and laws change during the divide, like being severed from one central place of physics. That would Explain Port Royal, right? and we shouldn't take Jane's comment lightly if we plan to go this in depth. 

[Ruby Rose 8,591]

Okay, but I have trouble believing that they were all one place in the sense that the world of Winnie the pooh used to be shared with Port Royal, and if you take a ship from Port Royal You'll find wonderland and pride rock on the way you know? As I said before maybe they divided differently then we would think. Perhaps 1,000 years ago the whole world was Radiant Garden, Or Earth or whatever, and none of the drastically different places existed yet. When the darkness came and divided that world, each one stayed mostly whole, but maybe rules, and laws change during the divide, like being severed from one central place of physics. That would Explain Port Royal, right? and we shouldn't take Jane's comment lightly if we plan to go this in depth.

The Hundred Acre Wood is in a book, if the book was at Port Royal they would technically share a space togetherAnd I have to take Jane's words with a grain of salt, if Kingdom Hearts Chi is canon (which I've heard it is and isn't) Disney characters can technically be immortal since Alice and Aladdin appear both in it and The Seeker of Darkness saga centuries later, never aging- and yet characters like Simba age so it may just be dependent on the fragment you live onWe could go back and forth about this all day trying to use logic, but the bottom line is I believe all the worlds are just tiny parts of a former, massive Earth while you believe in your cell theory, both of which are speculation- I can't logically explain my stance though since the series' creator has made up rules to cheat death as Nobodies and Heartless being destroyed can revive the original Somebody- he obviously defies logic and makes up his own rules since this is a work of fiction No doubt Nomura can easily come up with some illogical explanation for this as well, so believing that and the fact there are regular worlds co-existing with Sleeping Worlds and worlds that travel back in time (Timeless River being a visitable predecessor to Disney Castle) I believe certain worlds can even rewind in their progress instead of advancing forward, while some just stay frozen in time- which is why some are more futuristic while others (ex. Olympus Coliseum) embrace the past Also taking a boat from the harbor of Port Royal and sailing to the savannah of the Pride Lands would be epic Edited September 6, 2014 by Ruby Rose

[Shana09 5,769]

Since they're mostly Disney worlds, and most Disney movies take somewhere on Earth, um, yeah. I thought this was obvious?

 

The Lion King and Tarzan take place in Africa,  Beauty and the Beast, Cinderella, The Hunchback of Notre Dame and Mickey, Donald, Goofy: The Three Musketeers all take place in France, Snow White and the Seven Dwarves takes place in Germany, and The Little Mermaid and Frozen take place in and around Norway but they don't take place at the same time even if they're in the same country. Since the events all seem to happen a the same time in KH, it's the only explanation.

 

Though I used to think that The Little Mermaid took place somewhere in the Mediterranean because of Ariel being a Mermaid and Eric's looks.

 

More to add on to this in case anyone cares, Tangled takes place in Germany, Princess and the Frog takes place in New Orleans which is in America, Pocahontas takes place in America, Brave takes place in Scotland, Pinocchio might take place in France too(?), Pirates and the Caribbean takes place in Britain and the ocean, Peter Pan takes place in London, and Aladdin takes place in Saudi Arabia.

 

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I think, in the KH universe, this one big planet wont be an Earth Copy. It'll probably look similar to the earth but the layout wont be the same. Similar to Pokémon where the regions are based on real places yet the planet looks like a bunch of islands or connected lands with peninsulas.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

More to add on to this in case anyone cares, Tangled takes place in Germany, Princess and the Frog takes place in New Orleans which is in America, Pocahontas takes place in America, Brave takes place in Scotland, Pinocchio might take place in France too(?), Pirates and the Caribbean takes place in Britain and the ocean, Peter Pan takes place in London, and Aladdin takes place in Saudi Arabia.

 

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I think, in the KH universe, this one big planet wont be an Earth Copy. It'll probably look similar to the earth but the layout wont be the same. Similar to Pokémon where the regions are based on real places yet the planet looks like a bunch of islands or connected lands with peninsulas.

I was focusing on movies that have been in the series. As for Pinocchio and and PotC, I think Pinocchio takes place in either Germany or Denmark (lederhosen) or possibly Italy because of Gipetto's accent And PoTC takes place in, well, the Caribbean.

Edited September 7, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno

[Shana09 5,769]

I was focusing on movies that have been in the series. As for Pinocchio and and PotC, I think Pinocchio takes place in either Germany or Denmark (lederhosen) or possibly Italy because of Gipetto's accent And PoTC takes place in, well, the Caribbean.

 

I done goofed with PoTC, I focused more on the British army part. I thought you were too, but then you said Frozen.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

I done goofed with PoTC, I focused more on the British army part. I thought you were too, but then you said Frozen.

Well, I see that as an inevitability given is huge popularity, especially in Japan and the fact that its Disney's biggest cash cow right now.

Edited September 7, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno

[Kittenz 4,281]

While I don't think KH will pull a LR and be earth and the end(I think it would be a strange, different world), you could be on to something.

 

This is obvious BUT:

 

Destiny Islands = Japan (I made a topic proving it LOL: http://kh13.com/forum/topic/75938-destiny-islands-is-japan/ )

Land of Dragons = China

Agrabah = Saudi Arabia

Neverland =London/England

Notre dame = Paris/France

Pinocchio = Europe...I don't know the specific place....

Deep Jungle = Africa....also there is a globe you hit in kh1 with earth on it 0_0

Alice in wonderland is tricky. She comes from london but her world, wonderland... is both real and imaginary....

Radiant garden, and others like traverse town, is it's own place

 

Caity is probs right

Edited September 8, 2014 by KittensOnFire