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I think Ventus was shown as immature due to being possibly 13 or 14, but I always though Aqua was pretty mature, even if she had her moments. 

Terra acts like a toddler on occasion, taking his anger out on Ven after the Mark of Mastery exam as he leaves, telling him he's too young.

As for the Destiny Islands and Sea salt trio, both the females seem more mature than their male counterparts: Kairi seems to have a good head on her shoulders, and Xion acts oddly more adult than the actual adults. ( Isn't Axel supposed to be 18?) 

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I agree with you full heartedly that Sora is already quite mature in his own way compared to other characters. True, that means Sora is mature in terms of Emotional Intelligence. But i've experienced people who are quite gifted in handling relationships and solving the issues and tensions between them. But when it comes to being practical and approaching other problems, Sora may be a bit lacking.  

 

Oh, and BTW I've read about you questioning the maturity of all of the other characters in the series except for Roxas. Im not meaning to go off topic here, but do you think of Roxas' maturity? I think he handled the fallouts with his friends as best as he could. He tried approaching them, communicating them and even coaxing them to reveal their hands, but Xion's and Axel's constant "Boohoo you wouldn't understand. Trust me" and unwillingness to communicate kept him from doing so. I think that Roxas out of all of them suffered the most since he was the one that was the most clueless and dismayed out of all of them. His friends refused to educate him despite there was a better option in which they could all congregate together and exchange information in which they could all understand one another. And even if that happened, we as the player would still get as much feels as the original story.

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I completly agree. I would say that Axel/Lea is close though. He may not communicate. But he doesn't sit there and wish for things to be different and cry about it. (like many kh characters) He tries to something about it.

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We're saying modern sora needs to mature. In DDD how many times did he forget he was in the dream world.

Well, that's more the result of his characteristic obliviousness than any actual immaturity. Sora's not good at understanding the subtler nuances of complicated situations, he's more of a big picture guy, as in "Okay, I don't know exactly what's going on but it sounds like you need help, right?"

 

I think Ventus was shown as immature due to being possibly 13 or 14, but I always though Aqua was pretty mature, even if she had her moments. 

Terra acts like a toddler on occasion, taking his anger out on Ven after the Mark of Mastery exam as he leaves, telling him he's too young.

As for the Destiny Islands and Sea salt trio, both the females seem more mature than their male counterparts: Kairi seems to have a good head on her shoulders, and Xion acts oddly more adult than the actual adults. ( Isn't Axel supposed to be 18?) 

 

I think he's more like 24, he certainly didn't look 8 in BbS, he looked closer to Ven's age 14-15

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Well, that's more the result of his characteristic obliviousness than any actual immaturity. Sora's not good at understanding the subtler nuances of complicated situations, he's more of a big picture guy, as in "Okay I don't know exactly what's going on but it sounds like you need help, right?"

 

 

I think he's more like 24, he certainly didn't look 8 in BbS, he looked closer to Ven's age 14-15

Yikes...

KH accidentally went pedophile there on shipping. 

*seriously re thinks shipping Auokroku* 

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Sora, while gullible on many occasions, still shows maturity in his own ways at times, though in KH3D I honestly think he lost a lot of that side to him, and for some of KH2. Having him be a little more cheery than the rest can help define him, but by being notably more mature he doesn't have to give up the rest of his character.

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I think Ventus was probably 14-15, and yeah Aqua was the most mature of the bunch because she was willing to talk about her problems...but only sometimes. Sometimes, she got a little angry, lashed out and pushed away Terra, who was already on the deep end. But by the end of it, she realized her mistake and tried to fix it, but she was too late. That's her tragedy in BBS. Despite her relative calmness, seeing her friends hurt and emotional made her emotional.

 

Terra acted the way he did 1. Because of his ego, which was easily justified, and 2. Because of the swelling darkness inside of him.

 

I'd say Kairi is probably the most level-headed of the trio, too. Getting to Sora's maturity in a bit, Kairi is much more of an adult than him and not just because she doesn't act as silly. Also, I am pretty damn sure Axel is in his mid-twenties. In BBS he had to be at least 15 and 10 years later, he'd be 25. 

 

As for Sora, while I believe he's mature as far as all of the points you've brought up are concerned, my problem is more with his intelligence. Like Cucco pointed out, ever since KHII, Sora's been written as kind of utterly stupid and I mean that sincerely. He's mature in the sense that he's kind-hearted and doesn't hold a grudge, but he's also naive and makes some really stupid decisions that otherwise wouldn't be an issue if he took some common sense.

 

And especially in KHII, Sora is also kind of an asshole. Not to his friends, of course, but to the people that are supposedly the villains. Despite the fact that Organization XIII are undeniably the bad guys, not all of them are bad guys. Take Demyx for example, who isn't really a bad person, he's just a broken individual who is being misled. And yet Sora taunts him, says he doesn't have a heart and that the best thing he can do for the world is to just die. And he KILLS HIM. While at first, you could forgive Sora for thinking this way (and in DDD, once he realized his mistake, he was furious at himself and those who misled him) but the fact remains. When you watch Demyx disintegrating into nothingness, crying out in despair, you can't help but feel like maybe this wasn't the right thing to do.

 

It's not like with Xigbar or Xaldin or even Larxene, who are all genuinely awful people. Demyx was little more than an irresponsible kid who got caught up in something he had no idea what the stakes were. Even someone like Luxord, I don't think genuinely understands the scope of what's going on in the Organization. He just knows that he's going to get his heart back out of all of this. And yet Sora doesn't care because he was told that they were the enemy and that was the way it had to be.

 

Combine that with the way he's being written as an idiot recently, I can't help but want Sora to improve. Even DATA SORA from Coded is more of an intelligent, rational, mature person than regular Sora, maintaining all of his kindness and wisdom when it comes to helping friends but also with the ability to not be a dick in the process. 

 

I think DDD was a major step in righting Sora from being a dick, but he's still written like a dumbass and I'd really appreciate it if that'd stop. In KHI and CoM, he was a relatively bright kid. He figured out who Maleficent was before it was even fully revealed to him, he just put the pieces together, something post-CoM Sora seems unable to grasp. I have a theory that a lot of that has to do with the fact that Sora is broken in a very large amount of ways, but it needs to be fixed if they want this character to continue to be the face of the franchise. I do. I love Sora, his design, his personality and his affinity for blending Square and Disney but I hate the fact that he's so stupid. 

Yeah, Sora was an a$$butt to Org. 13 members a lot. 

Like Demyx. What did that goofball do to anyone? 

Why destroy him? Just set him in a Vanhalen concert, and BOOM: Problem solved. 

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I think Ventus was probably 14-15, and yeah Aqua was the most mature of the bunch because she was willing to talk about her problems...but only sometimes. Sometimes, she got a little angry, lashed out and pushed away Terra, who was already on the deep end. But by the end of it, she realized her mistake and tried to fix it, but she was too late. That's her tragedy in BBS. Despite her relative calmness, seeing her friends hurt and emotional made her emotional.

 

Terra acted the way he did 1. Because of his ego, which was easily justified, and 2. Because of the swelling darkness inside of him.

 

I'd say Kairi is probably the most level-headed of the trio, too. Getting to Sora's maturity in a bit, Kairi is much more of an adult than him and not just because she doesn't act as silly. Also, I am pretty damn sure Axel is in his mid-twenties. In BBS he had to be at least 15 and 10 years later, he'd be 25. 

 

As for Sora, while I believe he's mature as far as all of the points you've brought up are concerned, my problem is more with his intelligence. Like Cucco pointed out, ever since KHII, Sora's been written as kind of utterly stupid and I mean that sincerely. He's mature in the sense that he's kind-hearted and doesn't hold a grudge, but he's also naive and makes some really stupid decisions that otherwise wouldn't be an issue if he took some common sense.

 

And especially in KHII, Sora is also kind of an asshole. Not to his friends, of course, but to the people that are supposedly the villains. Despite the fact that Organization XIII are undeniably the bad guys, not all of them are bad guys. Take Demyx for example, who isn't really a bad person, he's just a broken individual who is being misled. And yet Sora taunts him, says he doesn't have a heart and that the best thing he can do for the world is to just die. And he KILLS HIM. While at first, you could forgive Sora for thinking this way (and in DDD, once he realized his mistake, he was furious at himself and those who misled him) but the fact remains. When you watch Demyx disintegrating into nothingness, crying out in despair, you can't help but feel like maybe this wasn't the right thing to do.

 

It's not like with Xigbar or Xaldin or even Larxene, who are all genuinely awful people. Demyx was little more than an irresponsible kid who got caught up in something he had no idea what the stakes were. Even someone like Luxord, I don't think genuinely understands the scope of what's going on in the Organization. He just knows that he's going to get his heart back out of all of this. And yet Sora doesn't care because he was told that they were the enemy and that was the way it had to be.

 

Combine that with the way he's being written as an idiot recently, I can't help but want Sora to improve. Even DATA SORA from Coded is more of an intelligent, rational, mature person than regular Sora, maintaining all of his kindness and wisdom when it comes to helping friends but also with the ability to not be a dick in the process. 

 

I think DDD was a major step in righting Sora from being a dick, but he's still written like a dumbass and I'd really appreciate it if that'd stop. In KHI and CoM, he was a relatively bright kid. He figured out who Maleficent was before it was even fully revealed to him, he just put the pieces together, something post-CoM Sora seems unable to grasp. I have a theory that a lot of that has to do with the fact that Sora is broken in a very large amount of ways, but it needs to be fixed if they want this character to continue to be the face of the franchise. I do. I love Sora, his design, his personality and his affinity for blending Square and Disney but I hate the fact that he's so stupid. 

This^

 

Although, alot of people don't stop and think about why exactly Sora was written as a dumbass in 3D compared to say I and II. I don't neccessarily like it, but i honestly think that it was justified, and i'll tell you why.

 

First, think about Sora's stance on what was happening in 3D prior to going to The World that Never was. Sora (and Riku) were made to take the Mark of Mastery and prove they were worthy of being masters. But prior to this, Sora had already saved all of the worlds from Xehanort, TWICE, which is more than anyone else can say, and is probably the strongest keyblade wielder at this point. He finally got his friends back safe and sound, and had the chance to relax and bask in the peace that he had helped bring about with his actions, and finally just take a break from saving the world for a few months and be carefree, like any normal kid. Then he got thrown back into the fray to prepare to stop Xehanort a third time. To be honest, i think Sora just got a little cocky and reverted to his old carefree self that played on the Islands with Riku and Kairi for the last 10 years of his life, the naive teen who only knew about his own little world and didn't really mind only being in such a small place or wanting to seek other worlds for adventure(at least not to as much of a desire like it was for Riku).

 

Another point to bring up is that in 3D, he didn't really have any impending personal dilemnas to worry about(like how in II he had to worry about Kairi being kidnapped and Riku being possibly consumed by darkness. Plus, the exam was supposed to be just a harmless test(ok maybe not completely harmless, but given Sora's abilities and power, he'd be fine) to free the sleeping worlds. It wasn't intended to end up leading to Sora being kidnapped. So, given this information, and the fact that Sora was already powerful enough to take down Ansem SOD, The Majority of the organization and save the worlds by himself, i think he really didn't feel any need to worry or think anything serious was happening during this, so he just acted like his normal, naive self.

 

Like i said, Sora was a dumbass in 3D, but if you think about it, it was definitely justified and makes sense. Not saying i like it, but it makes sense. That being said, after the events of 3D, i think he'll definitely be more intelligent in III, given that now he knows that Xehanort almost managed to turn him into a darkness, and knows that he is definitely not a threat to be taken lightly.

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firetruckING FINALLY YOU GUYS REALISE HOT DAMN

 

Sora & Kairi are the most mentally mature characters in the series. Yes, they have flaws,(everyone has flaws, nobody's perfect, people) but they are willing to talk to Riku and pretty much everyone else, meanwhile everyone else is all like : SHUT UP AQUA HURR HURR SHUT UP AXEL HURR HURR I'M KEEPING SECRETS FROM MAH FRINDZ LOL

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So... much... to read...

 

But I whole-heartedly agree with everything that everyone here has said. You guys really know how to change one's mindset xD (aka Me :P)

 

To add my two cents (even though I don't have much to add since everything is pretty much in the clear), Sora practically dealt with every situation as a perfectly normal decent human being. Wait... perhaps this is what Nomura meant by keeping Sora as an "ordinary boy". It totally fits, you guys! Sora is meant to save those hurting right? Well he can do it physically as well as figuratively. And this thread right here is the solid proof. So in a way, he is teaching the other characters of the series what is mature and what is not, if that makes sense... Gah! My thoughts are such a mess.

 

The basic idea is that this fact reinforces Sora's role in the series overall as the hero. A hero can't be dark and emo all the freaking time; they must be able to tackle any kind of situation head on. Sora has managed to achieve this on so many levels compared to the little advancement other characters have made. And I especially agree with the situation in Birth by Sleep. Through the game I was honestly thinking, "Do these guys even know what communication is?" So easily avoidable...

 

Kudos to you Dave, and Kaweebo too for pointing these crucial points out. This has severely impacted my way of thinking about Sora and the series as a whole. See that's the amazing thing about analysis of texts: you can claim anything so long as you have relevant textual evidence to support your case. You went into nice fine detail there, and had some strong points to boot.

 

Your marks: 20/20

 

Well done!

 

Peace!

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