This makes no sense: Replica Program and Xion

[Fates Chance 60]

Ok theres something i cant figure out.

 

Why did the Organization use memories to create xion instead of using data like Repliku?

I mean i know that the repliku was an imperfect clone so he couldnt be used to make a clone of Roxas (ie putting sora memories inside him). But why didnt they just use data from Roxas and put that into the empty shell to create Xion?

 

I mean, it obviously worked with Repliku, gaining all Rikus powers and abilities. Also, the Repliku was able to have its mind re worked flawlessly to how ever they wanted it (using namine). And this was so flawless that only intervention by namine could break it. I mean it really puzzles me why they didnt go that route. 

 

Did they do it as a fail safe against the possibility that they would lose Namine? I mean, she couldve reworked the replicas mind in a way they didnt want after she escaped i guess...

 

Was it the Keyblade? Did they think it wouldnt transfer unless the source of the Replica came from not data but an actual part of the Keyblade weilder?

 

Well, all of rikus abilities transfered over, even the ability to go into dark mode and the ability to use the powers of darkness. Why if the replica could harness darkness (the harder of the two to weild) couldnt the replica harness the power of light in the keyblade?

 

And using the data, it wouldnt be concerned with memories leaking into it. (though the org may not have known that going in that memories would further leak into xion after she was made)

And if theyd kept a better hold on Namine instead of keeping her at CO, they wouldnt have needed to worry too much about her escaping. Then, if a problem arose with the replica, she could rewrite it and it would all be fixed.

 

I mean, this just really puzzles me...And there are no answers! I mean, the replica program gets so little attention theres really not a lot known a bout it at all. Im surprised no one talks about the replica program more. Its one of the plot points that really next to nothing known about it.

 

Anybody got any ideas?

 

[Caxkj 481]

It isn't really talked of often because, surprise surprise, science. But I agree it is a fascinating subject worth diving into more.

[Ruby Rose 8,591]

I thought they took the memory route with Xion in an attempt to put Sora out of commission so he wouldn't get in the Organization's way

[kingdombladesventus 53]

Well, Vexen was the one who worked on it most of the time (I beleive he is the only one who does it). Without him around, there couldn't be anymore clones. Although, I guess he made Xion before he died and her body was still in development, or she her body is Sora's memories personafied. She either appeared after Sora and Riku where done with Castle Oblvion, or Saix got her quickly enough that, while the two Heros were occupided with the floors, he found her and left, before his presence could be found.

[Caxkj 481]

Well, Vexen was the one who worked on it most of the time (I beleive he is the only one who does it). Without him around, there couldn't be anymore clones. Although, I guess he made Xion before he died and her body was still in development, or she her body is Sora's memories personafied. She either appeared after Sora and Riku where done with Castle Oblvion, or Saix got her quickly enough that, while the two Heros were occupided with the floors, he found her and left, before his presence could be found.

Umm Xion was around before the heroes ever entered CO. Saix finding her was before COM.

[rikunobodyxiii 700]

Well...the timeline as I know it has Xion being made before Repliku. Some of the differences could be explained by changes in techniques as Vexen learned more about the science behind creating replicas.

[Movies798 1,359]

Actually Sora's strongest memories of Kairi were scattered until his memories somehow found its way to Xion.

[Fates Chance 60]

Umm Xion was around before the heroes ever entered CO. Saix finding her was before COM.

 

Thats the other thing i dont really get. 

Xion is made of soras leaked memories...when did they get them?

I mean, Xion looks like kiari because shes created from the memories of her. So did they collect them straight after he turned into a hearless? Kairi would have been his strongest memory right then yeah. Well, its pretty obvious from the Xemnas battle in kh1fm that the org must have been watching sora and co for a while and would have been near by enough to collect those memories after they were 'leaked'.

so thats where they got them, now how about how?

 

The only way i could see them doing that would be with Namine, but they didnt have her yet. I mean ok its plausible that on of the members was at CO just as she appeared there and took her back to TWTNW and they figured out who she was and her powers. But that would have taken time. Those memories aint lingering long i expect. After sora became a heartless, his memories started going to roxas. So is that where they got them? As  Sora was a heartless and the memory of Kairi was coming to roxas and they captured it and put it in xion instead of letting it go to roxas? Kairis memory could have been the first to be coming over to roxas at the time...

 

But again that wouldve taken time. Time for who ever was watching sora when he stabbed himself to get back to the castle, tell Xemnas, then have someone tell Xemnas that they found Namine, find out who she is and what she can do, get Roxas and come up with the whole replica plan, get vexen to consult him about putting memories into the replica then getting namine to do it. And have Xemnas go fight sora on roxas 6th day. It musta been a busy week for the organization...

 

I cant really see it happening anyother way.

Edited August 8, 2014 by Fates Chance

[Movies798 1,359]

Still nice theory.

Edited August 8, 2014 by Movies798

[TheKingdomkid 1,194]

Well through most of the first part of Days Xion had her hood up and she never really talked and no one saw what was under there except Siax because he knew what she was from the start and when she removed her hood was while the events at Castle Oblivion happened so Sora's memories where starting to leak out because of Namine and Roxas probably saw her as we all saw her because he is Sora's Nobody and I'm sure Kairi had an influence on him as well so that's why he saw her as she is and then eventually Axel saw her that way because of Roxas.  And the reason why there is a difference between the two Replicas is because Xion was the first ever made replica her name says it all: No i. so of course it will have some problems as Siax just loves to point out and the Replica Riku is different as well because Vexan fought Riku so he was able to actually gather the data and such and got to make the Riku Replica as he is now

[Reyn 1,755]

I thought it went like this. First, Xion wasn't really a clone of Roxas, she was made from Sora's memories of Kairi, which technically makes her a clone of Sora and partially Kairi i guess(hence why she looks like Kairi) She was just created to absorb Roxas's Powers, and help speed up the process of gaining hearts to complete KH. Since Roxas had a mind of his own, they probably thought that if they made a Mindless puppet who could do what he did, they'd have full control of Sora's powers, with no risk of their Keyblade wielder deserting them. She wasn't intended to end up absorbing Sora's memories through Roxas actually, it just happened, and when Xemnas finally noticed this, he just left it as is because No Sora = No chance of them being defeatedMy point is, Xion wasn't created to take Sora's memories or become her own person. The org. though she would just be what she really was, a puppet, who would follow their orders without question and help them to create KH even quicker. Plus, for a time, she and Roxas were both gaining hearts, making the process twice faster than when it was just Sora or Roxas alone

[HikariYami 354]

Namine is the answer.

[LeYenrz 276]

Ok theres something i cant figure out.

 

Why did the Organization use memories to create xion instead of using data like Repliku?

I mean i know that the repliku was an imperfect clone so he couldnt be used to make a clone of Roxas (ie putting sora memories inside him). But why didnt they just use data from Roxas and put that into the empty shell to create Xion?

 

I mean, it obviously worked with Repliku, gaining all Rikus powers and abilities. Also, the Repliku was able to have its mind re worked flawlessly to how ever they wanted it (using namine). And this was so flawless that only intervention by namine could break it. I mean it really puzzles me why they didnt go that route. 

 

Did they do it as a fail safe against the possibility that they would lose Namine? I mean, she couldve reworked the replicas mind in a way they didnt want after she escaped i guess...

 

Was it the Keyblade? Did they think it wouldnt transfer unless the source of the Replica came from not data but an actual part of the Keyblade weilder?

 

Well, all of rikus abilities transfered over, even the ability to go into dark mode and the ability to use the powers of darkness. Why if the replica could harness darkness (the harder of the two to weild) couldnt the replica harness the power of light in the keyblade?

 

And using the data, it wouldnt be concerned with memories leaking into it. (though the org may not have known that going in that memories would further leak into xion after she was made)

And if theyd kept a better hold on Namine instead of keeping her at CO, they wouldnt have needed to worry too much about her escaping. Then, if a problem arose with the replica, she could rewrite it and it would all be fixed.

 

I mean, this just really puzzles me...And there are no answers! I mean, the replica program gets so little attention theres really not a lot known a bout it at all. Im surprised no one talks about the replica program more. Its one of the plot points that really next to nothing known about it.

 

Anybody got any ideas?

Here's the answer. In what you said there was one flaw. Xion was meant to be a replica of SORA. NOT ROXAS. And not to mention that Xion was made even before Repliku. She was the first Replica ever made hence the name "no.i". There are two answers to your question. 

 

Either since she was the first Replica ever created, Vexen never thought to use data instead of memories. 

 

Or the more likely answer is that they were unable to use data. Like I said before, she was meant to be a Replica of SORA. And notice that she never came into contact with him. So the only way she could replicate him was to take in his memories through Roxas. 

 

There are your answers. You're welcome?

[Fates Chance 60]

Here's the answer. In what you said there was one flaw. Xion was meant to be a replica of SORA. NOT ROXAS. And not to mention that Xion was made even before Repliku. She was the first Replica ever made hence the name "no.i". There are two answers to your question. 

 

Either since she was the first Replica ever created, Vexen never thought to use data instead of memories. 

 

Or the more likely answer is that they were unable to use data. Like I said before, she was meant to be a Replica of SORA. And notice that she never came into contact with him. So the only way she could replicate him was to take in his memories through Roxas. 

 

There are your answers. You're welcome?

Um....where does it say that xion was made before repliku? Unless im missing something. I even checked the secret report where vexen talks about 'no.i' 

He talks about how its the finest puppet hes made, about how big of a success it is, how and how its fit for number status so he names it no.i

He also talks about repliku, how its unfit for number status so it remains numberless and nameless. And since it is for lack of better words a failure for the needs he wanted (to make a keyblade wielding copy) hes taking it to CO for further experiments.

I always took that to mean that Xion or no.i was the last puppet he made. That all that came before it-including the empty shell that would become repliku- were not up to snuff for what vexen needed so he didnt bother numbering those 'failures'. Though in all fairness thats what i took away from that information, and it is not really supported- just like saying repliku was made after xion. Its really all speculation (yours and mine) since its not outright stated which was made first.

 

Also, Xion was meant as a replica of ROXAS. I checked on 2 separate kh wikis and they both said the same thing. While by extension she is a clone of sora, she is a roxas clone. Remember that little talk axel and xion had about what xion is in days? Where he calls her like a mirror that reflects roxas and how she must be taking more than shes supposed to from him? I always took that to mean that she was copying and absorbing his abilities thus making her a better clone, a mirror that reflects roxas. But as more memories went to roxas, and Xion started taking more and more from roxas, she got more and more memories from sora and thats why she ended up looking like him to those who knew and had had contact with sora. 

[rikunobodyxiii 700]

Um....where does it say that xion was made before repliku? Unless im missing something. I even checked the secret report where vexen talks about 'no.i' He talks about how its the finest puppet hes made, about how big of a success it is, how and how its fit for number status so he names it no.iHe also talks about repliku, how its unfit for number status so it remains numberless and nameless. And since it is for lack of better words a failure for the needs he wanted (to make a keyblade wielding copy) hes taking it to CO for further experiments.I always took that to mean that Xion or no.i was the last puppet he made. That all that came before it-including the empty shell that would become repliku- were not up to snuff for what vexen needed so he didnt bother numbering those 'failures'. Though in all fairness thats what i took away from that information, and it is not really supported- just like saying repliku was made after xion. Its really all speculation (yours and mine) since its not outright stated which was made first. Also, Xion was meant as a replica of ROXAS. I checked on 2 separate kh wikis and they both said the same thing. While by extension she is a clone of sora, she is a roxas clone. Remember that little talk axel and xion had about what xion is in days? Where he calls her like a mirror that reflects roxas and how she must be taking more than shes supposed to from him? I always took that to mean that she was copying and absorbing his abilities thus making her a better clone, a mirror that reflects roxas. But as more memories went to roxas, and Xion started taking more and more from roxas, she got more and more memories from sora and thats why she ended up looking like him to those who knew and had had contact with sora.

Look at the Days time line. Xion is seen and interacting with Roxas before members were sent to Castle Oblvion.

[LeYenrz 276]

Um....where does it say that xion was made before repliku? Unless im missing something. I even checked the secret report where vexen talks about 'no.i' 

He talks about how its the finest puppet hes made, about how big of a success it is, how and how its fit for number status so he names it no.i

He also talks about repliku, how its unfit for number status so it remains numberless and nameless. And since it is for lack of better words a failure for the needs he wanted (to make a keyblade wielding copy) hes taking it to CO for further experiments.

I always took that to mean that Xion or no.i was the last puppet he made. That all that came before it-including the empty shell that would become repliku- were not up to snuff for what vexen needed so he didnt bother numbering those 'failures'. Though in all fairness thats what i took away from that information, and it is not really supported- just like saying repliku was made after xion. Its really all speculation (yours and mine) since its not outright stated which was made first.

 

Also, Xion was meant as a replica of ROXAS. I checked on 2 separate kh wikis and they both said the same thing. While by extension she is a clone of sora, she is a roxas clone. Remember that little talk axel and xion had about what xion is in days? Where he calls her like a mirror that reflects roxas and how she must be taking more than shes supposed to from him? I always took that to mean that she was copying and absorbing his abilities thus making her a better clone, a mirror that reflects roxas. But as more memories went to roxas, and Xion started taking more and more from roxas, she got more and more memories from sora and thats why she ended up looking like him to those who knew and had had contact with sora. 

Oh. My apologies. I had assumed that Vexen had created Repliku in CO during the events of CoM. I never bothered to look up the secret reports. Sorry about that.

 

Don't trust Wikis. At one point in time, both wikis said that Roxas' two keyblades were Sora's and Xions. Not the correct combination of Sora's and Ven's. Wikis always have faulty information and have just plain fan speculation that state them as fact. Im more lenient that She's a replica of Sora since the end result was of her becoming him. Im not sure if it is established fact if she was Sora's or Roxas' Replica yet. I don't want to sort through the tons of interviews either. 

 

The only solution to this issue is that if she was Sora's replica. If that were so, then my previous second answer would be completely plausible.

Edited August 10, 2014 by khdayskh1314

[Fates Chance 60]

Oh. My apologies. I had assumed that Vexen had created Repliku in CO during the events of CoM. I never bothered to look up the secret reports. Sorry about that.

 

Don't trust Wikis. At one point in time, both wikis said that Roxas' two keyblades were Sora's and Xions. Not the correct combination of Sora's and Ven's. Wikis always have faulty information and have just plain fan speculation that state them as fact. Im more lenient that She's a replica of Sora since the end result was of her becoming him. Im not sure if it is established fact if she was Sora's or Roxas' Replica yet. I don't want to sort through the tons of interviews either. 

 

The only solution to this issue is that if she was Sora's replica. If that were so, then my previous second answer would be completely plausible.

I think in the end the organization didnt care who she was a replica of. They wanted a keyblade wielder, and so they made one. Though at first, xion is only able to use magic and not the keyblade. It isnt until she has been exposed to Roxas for long enough that she gets the keyblade. And longer still during the events of COM, when soras memories were finding their way into roxas that she finally got her face. I think she was meant at first to just be a mindless clone with the ability to wield the keyblade, not any specific person. But through more and more exposure to Roxas and absorbing of soras memories did she become a full on person clone of sora because of all the memories she absorbed. 

also, i dont remember who said it but i just wanna clear it up, in one of vexens reports he says hes taking the the empty replica with him to co for further testing. Someone said they though replikus empty pre repliku husk was made during the events of co.