Role Of The Lingering Will

[Firaga 5,947]

The Lingering Will, for those of you who forgot, is the will of Terra trapped and confined within his Keyblade Armor, which now has a mind of its own. We see the Will fight Terra-nort at the end of BBS in a last ditch effort, but ultimately fail and be left in the Keyblade Graveyard all by itself. Later in KHIIFM (and I believe it was confirmed as canon, but I'm not sure), Sora, Donald, and Goofy enter a portal in Disney Castle that transports them to the Graveyard, where they encounter LW. The Will notices that Sora is wielding the Keyblade even though he originally meant for it to be for Riku back in BBS, and he then suspects that he is Xehanort. After the fight, he recognizes that Sora is carrying Ventus's heart and goes back to his stance, still carrying hatred for Xehanort.

 

Now the reason I believe the Lingering Will will have a role to play in KHIII is simple: he has a part of Terra in him, and it is his Keyblade Armor, which means it can be used as a powerful ally to Sora's team and against the True Organization. Also, if the time comes when Terra and Master Xehanort are split apart from Terra-nort, Terra can regain his armor and a part of his power. I'm pretty sure Terra, Aqua, and Ventus are going to use their Keyblade Armor in KHIII, so this would be crucial. Besides, for all we know, getting the armor back may play a role in getting the original Terra back. The "Will" of somebody isn't really touched upon nor given the same importance as the Heart or even the Body, however, it's still a part of Terra and I doubt it can be just left behind in the Keyblade Graveyard.

 

It's not really much, I know, but it is still something to think about. Tell me what you think.

Edited August 5, 2014 by Firaga Sensei

[Keyblade Master Xoncron 499]

I think the Lingering Will is going to be vital for rescuing Terra as well.

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

Well, considering the Will played an important part at the end of BBS, signaling that Terra's willpower still remained in his armor, then I think it's safe to say that we'll see the Lingering Will appear again.  Because it would be kind of weird if Terra came back and his armor was just left to rot in the Keyblade Graveyard.  So yes, I really think that the Lingering Will may have an important roll to play.  Nice theory there Firaga.

[AuraAce 1,126]

At first, I had a thought that it was there to test Riku to see if he really was worthy of being Terra's successor but then it was Sora that appeared instead because Lingering Will did say "But when...No...it isn't you...It isn't you that I have chosen."

[rikunobodyxiii 700]

I do think that the Lingering Will will play a role in freeing Terra. I wouldn't be surprised if it is then final thing Terra needs to push out Xehnaort.

[Reyn 1,755]

The Lingering Will, for those of you who forgot, is the will of Terra trapped and confined within his Keyblade Armor, which now has a mind of its own. We see the Will fight Terra-nort at the end of BBS in a last ditch effort, but ultimately fail and be left in the Keyblade Graveyard all by itself. Later in KHIIFM (and I believe it was confirmed as canon, but I'm not sure), Sora, Donald, and Goofy enter a portal in Disney Castle that transports them to the Graveyard, where they encounter LW. The Will notices that Sora is wielding the Keyblade even though he originally meant for it to be for Riku back in BBS, and he then suspects that he is Xehanort. After the fight, he goes back to his stance, still carrying hatred for Xehanort.

 

Now the reason I believe the Lingering Will will have a role to play in KHIII is simple: he has a part of Terra in him, and it is his Keyblade Armor, which means it can be used as a powerful ally to Sora's team and against the True Organization. Also, if the time comes when Terra and Master Xehanort are split apart from Terra-nort, Terra can regain his armor and a part of his power. I'm pretty sure Terra, Aqua, and Ventus are going to use their Keyblade Armor in KHIII, so this would be crucial. Besides, for all we know, getting the armor back play a role in getting the original Terra back. The "Will" of somebody isn't really touched upon nor given the same importance as the Heart or even the Body, however, it's still a part of Terra and I doubt it can be just left behind in the Keyblade Graveyard.

 

It's not really much, I know, but it is still something to think about. Tell me what you think.

You forgot that after Sora wins, he recognizes Ven's heart inside of Sora and thinks it's Ven instead.

 

I never thought about that tho, maybe the Lingering will does have a role to play in saving Terra.

[Ninkoro 123]

I don't know why, but I don't have much faith in big companies to connect the dots in their multi-game series. I hope they do, because then Tetsuya will keep my faith in kingdom hearts for being a good deep story and not just pulling shit out of their ass.

 

I think it was DDD that made me lose a little faith. I'm still trying to wrap my head around time travel and how the realm of sleep is "Timeless" and exists the same at all points of time...

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

The Lingering Will isn't really a part of Terra necessary for the return of Terra. It's is more that Terra's thoughts of stopping Xehanort and saving his friends were so powerful that they literally took control of his armor. Although I suppose it's not impossible to somehow use the armor to bring Terra into a more conscious place within Xehanort. Plus I don't remember Nomura confirming that as canon although I might not have seen that particular interview.

Edited August 5, 2014 by devereauxr

[NO_HEART_XIII 312]

I think once Terranort, Xemnas, or whoever is holding Terra's heart is defeated, Terra's heart will go to the armor. Then he will deactivate the armor & Terra will be there & everyone will shed a tear and everything will be great.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

I think once Terranort, Xemnas, or whoever is holding Terra's heart is defeated, Terra's heart will go to the armor. Then he will deactivate the armor & Terra will be there & everyone will shed a tear and everything will be great.

Yeah but he would still need a body and soul to recomplete.

[Nick Sideris 1,551]

We still need to confirm that Terra comes back .

[Forever 3,550]

I agree with you on that one, buddy. Actually, I think Lingering Will ( Terra's mind) Xemnas (Terra's body?) and Ansem SoD (Terra's heart?) might have to fuse in some way in order to re-create Terra. 

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

I agree with you on that one, buddy. Actually, I think Lingering Will ( Terra's mind) Xemnas (Terra's body?) and Ansem SoD (Terra's heart?) might have to fuse in some way in order to re-create Terra. 

Lingering Will is Terra's mind it is a reflection of his thoughts.

[Forever 3,550]

Lingering Will is Terra's mind it is a reflection of his thoughts.

Well I know that everyone insists on the fact that it isn't his mind, but Xehanort clearly said it was, so....that's what I call it too. 

Edited August 5, 2014 by Pandy Monium

[way-to-the-dawn-wielder 39]

Very nice theory!! I definitely will agree on you with this one

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Well I know that everyone insists on the fact that it isn't his mind, but Xehanort clearly said it was, so....that's what I call it too.

Nomura confirmed it was his thoughts. Q:What is the true form of Lingering Sentiment?A: After Terra lost his body, his thoughts gathered into his armor. At the end of Terra’s scenario, Master Xehanort had commandeered his body, so his thoughts took control of his armor. Afterward, the armor stayed in the keyblade graveyard, until KHII FM where “Lingering Sentiment” went against Sora. Because he saw that it was not his chosen one Riku using a keyblade, but Sora, he grew suspicious and thought he had something to do with Master Xehanort and attacked him.

[Forever 3,550]

Nomura confirmed it was his thoughts.Q:What is the true form of Lingering Sentiment?A: After Terra lost his body, his thoughts gathered into his armor. At the end of Terra’s scenario, Master Xehanort had commandeered his body, so his thoughts took control of his armor. Afterward, the armor stayed in the keyblade graveyard, until KHII FM where “Lingering Sentiment” went against Sora. Because he saw that it was not his chosen one Riku using a keyblade, but Sora, he grew suspicious and thought he had something to do with Master Xehanort and attacked him.

I know all of this already. I just consider mind and thoughts to be nearly the same thing, considering the fact that thoughts come from the mind.

[Keyblade101 526]

The Lingering Will, for those of you who forgot, is the will of Terra trapped and confined within his Keyblade Armor, which now has a mind of its own. We see the Will fight Terra-nort at the end of BBS in a last ditch effort, but ultimately fail and be left in the Keyblade Graveyard all by itself. Later in KHIIFM (and I believe it was confirmed as canon, but I'm not sure), Sora, Donald, and Goofy enter a portal in Disney Castle that transports them to the Graveyard, where they encounter LW. The Will notices that Sora is wielding the Keyblade even though he originally meant for it to be for Riku back in BBS, and he then suspects that he is Xehanort. After the fight, he recognizes that Sora is carrying Ventus's heart and goes back to his stance, still carrying hatred for Xehanort.

 

Now the reason I believe the Lingering Will will have a role to play in KHIII is simple: he has a part of Terra in him, and it is his Keyblade Armor, which means it can be used as a powerful ally to Sora's team and against the True Organization. Also, if the time comes when Terra and Master Xehanort are split apart from Terra-nort, Terra can regain his armor and a part of his power. I'm pretty sure Terra, Aqua, and Ventus are going to use their Keyblade Armor in KHIII, so this would be crucial. Besides, for all we know, getting the armor back play a role in getting the original Terra back. The "Will" of somebody isn't really touched upon nor given the same importance as the Heart or even the Body, however, it's still a part of Terra and I doubt it can be just left behind in the Keyblade Graveyard.

 

It's not really much, I know, but it is still something to think about. Tell me what you think.

Awesome theory! And, yes, I'm pretty sure that the fight against him in KHIIFM is canon.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

I know all of this already. I just consider mind and thoughts to be nearly the same thing, considering the fact that thoughts come from the mind.

That's fine that you have your own way of looking at it but you shouldn't go spreading your interpretation around as if it's fact. Bottom line is that Nomura has confirmed that it was his thoughts not his mind. Bare in mind that the elements that make up a completed person are the the heart, the body, and the soul. The mind is merely an extension of the heart's will it is not an element that is necessary to complete a person because it goes hand in hand with the other three elements.

 

–What is the definition of a heart in Kingdom Hearts?

 

Nomura: It is the theme of the series. To explain it simply, a person has a body, a soul, and a heart. As an image, the soul is the life source, without it a person would be dead. Since the heart doesn’t have a form, memories play an important part in forming a heart. Also, the heart isn’t limited to people, but to all things. I tried to explain this concept to Disney, and they merely said that it must be an Eastern way of thinking. It may be interesting how overseas players think of it.

 

Nomura has laid out a specific guideline on the requirements for a recompletion process. Defeating the Heartless(which contains the heart) and the Nobody (The body) would result in the return of the original person. Even in the most current arc of the story these conditions have not changed. 

 

When the Heartless are defeated, what becomes of the stolen hearts? Also, when members of Organization XIII and other Nobodies are defeated, do they return to their original form?

 

When Heartless are defeated, essentially the owner's hearts are rejoined with their once extinguished body, whichever world it may be on. As for the whereabouts of hearts in KHII that turn up, this time they remarkably went to the Organization (there is a foot note here that says "In Kingdom Hearts II after Heartless were defeated, the many hearts were absorbed by the Kingdom Hearts of "people's hearts"). However, in the rare case that the body changed into a Nobody, when there is no container for the heart it resorts to a state of suspension.

In the case of a Nobody being defeated, it's a little more complicated. If the above mentioned hearts are liberated, they return to their original form. However, if the heart is still stolen by the Heartless, the Nobody's body is swallowed by darkness. If somewhere in the world their hearts are taken back, perhaps they might be able to return to their original human form.

[Smithee 327]

There's also the fact that Terra has Eraqus's Heart as well.

 

Damn, I was hoping DDD would give a hint on that whole business.

Edited August 5, 2014 by Alan Smithee

[darkerturbo 168]

While will isn't mentioned as often as the heart, this wasn't actually the first time it came up (unless we're talking about the timeline), since in kingdom hearts 1 Beast was able to transport his entire being to hollow bastion through will alone, showing that the mind is capable of more than we usually think of in kh. I think that in the end if Terra does get his body back he's going to have to force Xehanort out of his body himself, possibly with help from other people and most likely during the final battle. If he does manage to do that though Xehanort's plan would be ruined unless he brought a 14th darkness with him.

[Forever 3,550]

That's fine that you have your own way of looking at it but you shouldn't go spreading your interpretation around as if it's fact. Bottom line is that Nomura has confirmed that it was his thoughts not his mind. Bare in mind that the elements that make up a completed person are the the heart, the body, and the soul. The mind is merely an extension of the heart's will it is not an element that is necessary to complete a person because it goes hand in hand with the other three elements.

 

–What is the definition of a heart in Kingdom Hearts?

 

Nomura: It is the theme of the series. To explain it simply, a person has a body, a soul, and a heart. As an image, the soul is the life source, without it a person would be dead. Since the heart doesn’t have a form, memories play an important part in forming a heart. Also, the heart isn’t limited to people, but to all things. I tried to explain this concept to Disney, and they merely said that it must be an Eastern way of thinking. It may be interesting how overseas players think of it.

 

Nomura has laid out a specific guideline on the requirements for a recompletion process. Defeating the Heartless(which contains the heart) and the Nobody (The body) would result in the return of the original person. Even in the most current arc of the story these conditions have not changed. 

 

When the Heartless are defeated, what becomes of the stolen hearts? Also, when members of Organization XIII and other Nobodies are defeated, do they return to their original form?

 

When Heartless are defeated, essentially the owner's hearts are rejoined with their once extinguished body, whichever world it may be on. As for the whereabouts of hearts in KHII that turn up, this time they remarkably went to the Organization (there is a foot note here that says "In Kingdom Hearts II after Heartless were defeated, the many hearts were absorbed by the Kingdom Hearts of "people's hearts"). However, in the rare case that the body changed into a Nobody, when there is no container for the heart it resorts to a state of suspension.

In the case of a Nobody being defeated, it's a little more complicated. If the above mentioned hearts are liberated, they return to their original form. However, if the heart is still stolen by the Heartless, the Nobody's body is swallowed by darkness. If somewhere in the world their hearts are taken back, perhaps they might be able to return to their original human form.

We'll I'm sorry you took my opinion the wrong way.  All I gave was my theory,(as usual) and never once did I say it was absolute truth, or fact. There is no need to get all technical about something that was merely a guess.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

We'll I'm sorry you took my opinion the wrong way. All I gave was my theory,(as usual) and never once did I say it was absolute truth, or fact. There is no need to get all technical about something that was merely a guess.

Lol I'm not taking it the wrong way but your response could be interpreted as fact if you lay it out in the manner you did. As for me getting technical I was just sharing the information not only for your benefit but those people who have read or are going to readthia thread. That technicality helps add clarification and validity to an argument instead of me spreading wrong information or giving no concise notion of how I came to that argument. That's simply how I work especially when it comes to discussion nothing personal lol. Edited August 5, 2014 by devereauxr

[Forever 3,550]

Lol I'm not taking it the wrong way but your response could be interpreted as fact if you lay it out in the manner you did. As for me getting technical I was just sharing the information not only for your benefit but those people who have read or are going to readthia thread. That technicality helps add clarification and validity to an argument instead of me spreading wrong information or giving no concise notion of how I came to that argument. That's simply how I work especially when it comes to discussion nothing personal lol.

Okay, just checkin'. :-) I didn't mean for my ideas to come off as fact, I just like to give lots of opinions and theories is all. I'm a conspirator, and have a bad habit of thinking outside the box from time to time....