khven 0 Posted July 15, 2010 i dont understand people say he can dual wield, technically , he never actually did hold two keyblades at once, he summoned destiny palace, gave it to kairi, and then summoned way to the dawn. its like if sora summoned any random keyblade, for example , gave it to kairi , and then summoned his own kingdom key. discuss, just my thoughts, no offence intended, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slmcknett 31 Posted July 15, 2010 True, but that would imply that Riku had a 2nd Keyblade to summon, henceforth dual Keyblades. We've just never seen him use more than one at the same time. Although, we're not even sure were the 2nd one came from. >_> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reversal 53 Posted July 15, 2010 It's not dual-wielding in the sense that he's wielding two at the same time like Sora or Roxas. It's dual-wielding in the sense that he has two Keyblades. With Ansem Seeker of Darkness' defeat at the end of KH1, when Riku regained his body that Ansem had stolen, he also gained a fragment of Ansem, be it Apprentice Xehanort's heart (which makes up said Heartless) or just a merely fragment of him. Regardless, it gave him the heart of another wielder within him, which then gave him the ability to "dual-wield". But of course, he was not able to access this ability until he awakened his own Keyblade first. According to the novels, Destiny Place materialized when he was thinking of home. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JTD95 1,107 Posted July 15, 2010 If you summon one Kayblade gives it away and then summons another Keyblade that would mean that you can summon two Keyblades at the same time. So yes, Riku was duel wielding... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
khven 0 Posted July 15, 2010 huh, makes sense when u think of it like that, thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CardCaptorDeadpool 386 Posted July 15, 2010 Ive seen Riku's skillset in KHII I'm sorry but he doesnt have the Synch blade skill Sora has Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xirku 0 Posted July 15, 2010 Riku was dual wielding in the secret movie "Another Side, Another Story" while soooo yeeaaaahhh. Seems like dual wielding if you ask me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reversal 53 Posted July 15, 2010 Riku was dual wielding in the secret movie "Another Side, Another Story" while soooo yeeaaaahhh. Seems like dual wielding if you ask me. Roxas was the only dual-wielder in the true ASAS/Deep Dive, but that's irrelevant. Ive seen Riku's skillset in KHII I'm sorry but he doesnt have the Synch blade skill Sora has Because by the time you get Riku as a party member, the explosion had already taken place. Again, it's debatable whether or not Ansem SoD was entirely dispelled from Riku, or if some fragment of him remains. And really, gameplay is horrible support to go by. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CardCaptorDeadpool 386 Posted July 15, 2010 gameplay is horrible support to go by. By that logic Anti-Form doesnt matter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reversal 53 Posted July 15, 2010 Anti form has a basis for it. IX - Could you please gather some information about the main characters? The reason Sora becomes Anti Form, the reason Riku is able to be selected by a keyblade, Kairi's memories of Radiant Garden, Roxas and Namine's differences from other Nobodies, the absence of Sora and them, their parent's and friends, and what about school? Concerning Sora's Anti Form, you could think that the reason is related to his changing into a heartless once before. In fact, beyond Sora's Nobody, it is natural to assume that Sora is influenced by the heartless. Riku's Dark Mode is similar. By using such a strong power too much, he may have ended up aproaching too close to darkness. What you're implying is that he can't dual-wield because the ability isn't listed in his skill set. Superficial things like that are what I'm referring to as "horrible". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Cowboy 1,392 Posted July 15, 2010 I don't recall Riku having two keyblades in the first place.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heartless101 83 Posted July 15, 2010 he never dual weilds in Kingdom Hearts. Simple as that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reversal 53 Posted July 15, 2010 I don't recall Riku having two keyblades in the first place.. I included an explanation for this in the previous page. And again, he's not dual-wielding in the same sense as Sora or Roxas, using both at the same time, but dual-wielding in the sense that he has two Keyblades. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Cowboy 1,392 Posted July 15, 2010 How are you for certain Xehanort's heart is inside of Riku? For one thing, Xehanort doesn't technically own a heart since he is just...I don't know....The heart inside of him were Terra's and Master Xehanorts, and one was unlocked, and one was consumed by darkness. I can't see any facts that would prove one of those hearts are inside of Terra, I'm not saying your wrong, I just need more evidence to believe that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reversal 53 Posted July 15, 2010 How are you for certain Xehanort's heart is inside of Riku? For one thing, Xehanort doesn't technically own a heart since he is just...I don't know....The heart inside of him were Terra's and Master Xehanorts, and one was unlocked, and one was consumed by darkness. I can't see any facts that would prove one of those hearts are inside of Terra, I'm not saying your wrong, I just need more evidence to believe that. I didn't say I was certain actually. If anything, I'm stating the possible reason explaining how Riku had two Keyblades. I'm just saying that we know there are remnants of him in Riku, though what remnants exactly are never clearly established. Riku says it himself in CoM that he can still sense Ansem SoD within him. Riku: I don't know if I can. It's still there. His scent...it's faint, but not gone. I can't go home until it is. His darkness may still have a hold on me... Terranort stabbing himself in Last Episode was to lock Terra's and MX's memories away. It's Xehanort's way of saying "If I can't have this body, nobody will!" But shown with Roxas and Ven, you don't need memories to wield a Keyblade. Ansem SoD is the heart of Apprentice Xehanort, who is the hearts of Terra, Eraqus, and Master Xehanort, all of whom are wielders, and like Ven to Sora, could give Riku the ability to wield a second Keyblade. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CardCaptorDeadpool 386 Posted July 15, 2010 @ Reversal I think you mixed up what I meant... Sora has the Synch skill and can turn into the Anti-Form because of what happened in a cutscene. Riku doesnt have the Synch skill and could use Dark Form because of what happened in a cutscene. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Cowboy 1,392 Posted July 15, 2010 The thing about this whole thing is...he never had two Keyblades. I saw you had said the Destiny Place but then edited it. The Destiny Place isn't his Keyblade, technically it's Aqua's. He just somehow got a hold of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JTD95 1,107 Posted July 15, 2010 I saw you had said The Destiny Place isn't his Keyblade' date=' technically it's Aqua's. He just somehow got a hold of it.[/quote'] But if Destiny Place is Aqua's Keyblade and Riku somehow took it from, how will you then explain who owns the Keyblades you get after visiting worlds in BBS? Terra, Aqua and Ven can all wield the Keyblade "Mark of Hero", but none of them owns that Keyblade. That could also happen with Riku and Aqua. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Cowboy 1,392 Posted July 15, 2010 Even if Aqua doesn't "own" it, it's not Riku's keyblade. That's the point I'm trying to make. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reversal 53 Posted July 15, 2010 The thing about this whole thing is...he never had two Keyblades. I saw you had said the Destiny Place but then edited it. The Destiny Place isn't his Keyblade, technically it's Aqua's. He just somehow got a hold of it. No, here's the thing. Like you said, we know Riku doesn't have Aqua's Keyblade. But Riku's Destiny Place is to Aqua's Destiny Place like Sora's Star Seeker is to Mickey's Star Seeker. They're not the same Keyblades, but the two are the same in the sense that they're based after the memories of Kairi and Yen Sid respectively. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Cowboy 1,392 Posted July 15, 2010 VI - Could you please give an explanation for the new Keyblade "Way to the Dawn" that Riku obtained and the Keyblade Kairi has as well as what the conditions for using a Keyblade are? There isn't necessarily one Keyblade for the dark side and one for the light side, just as many as there exist people with qualified hearts. Concerning the conditions to wield one, at this stage, "Those with strong hearts" is the only obvious one. However, less obvious conditions still exist and there are still plans for an opportunity to reveal those. Riku's "Way to the Dawn" and Kairi's Keyblade are naturally the same type of Keyblade as Sora's. However there is no particular explanation for the Soul Eater's transfer and occurrence, as well as Riku's handing it to Kairi. When there isn't a normal process of acquisition, I think its OK to think there is some deeper meaning there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icarus 161 Posted July 16, 2010 Like everyone says, Riku summoned Destiny Place then summoned his Way to Dawn which meant he was technically "Duel Wielding." He also DW during the fight with Xemnas, so did Sora without going into Drive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reversal 53 Posted July 16, 2010 VI - Could you please give an explanation for the new Keyblade "Way to the Dawn" that Riku obtained and the Keyblade Kairi has as well as what the conditions for using a Keyblade are? There isn't necessarily one Keyblade for the dark side and one for the light side' date=' just as many as there exist people with qualified hearts. Concerning the conditions to wield one, at this stage, "Those with strong hearts" is the only obvious one. However, less obvious conditions still exist and there are still plans for an opportunity to reveal those. Riku's "Way to the Dawn" and Kairi's Keyblade are naturally the same type of Keyblade as Sora's. However there is no particular explanation for the Soul Eater's transfer and occurrence, as well as Riku's handing it to Kairi. When there isn't a normal process of acquisition, I think its OK to think there is some deeper meaning there.[/quote'] My new interview excerpt pwns your old interview excerpt Q7: Why can Kairi use a keyblade?A: Because she was touched by Aqua Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Cowboy 1,392 Posted July 16, 2010 Okay, let me add this. You say Riku "duel wields" because he has Xehanort's heart. Wouldn't that mean the second keyblade he would have either be MX's or Terra's, not one with flowers and girly stuff on it? Why would Riku have a Keyblade of the Realm of Light? And if I follow the logic of what you are trying to say, that means Mickey can duel wield, because he has two keyblades. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reversal 53 Posted July 16, 2010 Okay, let me add this. You say Riku "duel wields" because he has Xehanort's heart. Wouldn't that mean the second keyblade he would have either be MX's or Terra's, not one with flowers and girly stuff on it? Why would Riku have a Keyblade of the Realm of Light? And if I follow the logic of what you are trying to say, that means Mickey can duel wield, because he has two keyblades. Sora has Ven's Keyblade, yet it takes another form when he wields it. When Roxas is wielding Sora's and Ven's Keyblades, they take the form of Oathkeeper and Oblivion. I don't see how the second Keyblade taking the form of Destiny Place is a problem. Why wouldn't Riku have a Keyblade from the Realm of Light? He was in the RoL when he awakened his Keyblade, so it'd make sense that it should be from the corresponding realm. Mickey has one Keyblade: Light Seeker, which he obtained in the Realm of Darkness. It's debatable whether he has Star Seeker, but most likely, that belongs to Yen Sid. Unlike Sora or Riku, Mickey only has his own heart, and thus can only wield one Keyblade. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites