It baffles me how some people say what Xehanort's doing isn't all bad.

[MyDixieRect 2,061]

Well said. Well since we're on the topic of Xehanort I guess I'll put in my two cents about him: One thing I noticed that was interesting was Xehanort's mindset toward the people he hurt. If you look at his reports in BBS, he clearly has a sort of remorse for what he did to the others, at first. But it's easy to tell that his mindset was that of a "The end justifies the means" kinda thing, and this mindset grew in him more and more (along with the darkness twisting him), until he was at the point where he was in BBS where he didn't care whose lives he trampled over.  This is what I like about him: his purpose is simply the pursuit of knowledge, AKA accessing Kingdom Hearts and becoming one with it. It's not some generic "i will rule teh wourld" or "i will get mah revennnge on [insert main character here]!!!!11!" attempt. That makes him a good villain methinks. After all, the pursuit of understanding of the universe is a very human desire. This isn't to say that Xehanort is even close to being a relateable character in any sense of the word, but it does let me at least see that he's different than a lot of villains I've seen nowadays and has a somewhat reasonable motivation, even if the means to achieve that motivation are pure evil. I also like how he makes it very personal with the characters. With a lot of villains that I've seen, they seem to just do their thing and the main characters are often just a group that decides to fight back because their world's at stake or whatever. Xehanort hit these people where it hurts. Like Roxas and Xion, or T/A/V didn't even have remotely happy endings thanks to him. At least not yet. Also, points for being quite possibly the most persistent and crafty villain that I've heard of. At least that I can think of right now.

 

Yeah as a villain I definitely find him interesting and that part of your post where you said he hits characters where it hurts, on a real personal level was a nice eye opener. Never quite thought of that being something that separates Xehanort from a lot of other RPG or anime villains. Very good point, thanks. Makes me appreciate him more. 

 

Would like, but quota. 

Who are you to contradict HMK's theory about Xehanort being good? Pff, uninformed fans nowadays.

 

Who am I? I'm the guy with common sense. HMK's the other guy.

 

Are you saying hmk isnt uninformed?  Winner you should open a youtube account. That's how you get people to believe you. Even if it's complete bullshit.

Damn quota. I'm dying here! xDDD

[Keyblader_95 1,410]

Yeah as a villain I definitely find him interesting and that part of your post where you said he hits characters where it hurts, on a real personal level was a nice eye opener. Never quite thought of that being something that separates Xehanort from a lot of other RPG or anime villains. Very good point, thanks. Makes me appreciate him more. 

 

Would like, but quota. 

 

Who am I? I'm the guy with common sense. HMK's the other guy.

 

Damn quota. I'm dying here! xDDD

Damn dude, didn't you see I was sarcastic?

[Jim 2,990]

Would like, but quota.

It's the thought that counts! 

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

I'm bored so here's another one of Winner's once in a blue moon topics. A serious one this time. Gotta spice things up, you know?

 

So, there's a Keyblade War, right? And it nearly wipes out the entire goddamned Realm of Light. Entire worlds -- innocent worlds -- are consumed by the fighting, and Kingdom Hearts itself is lost in the Realm of Darkness, never to be seen again. People cling to the last bits of light they have and eventually rebuild the world into something vaguely sustainable.And then comes this asshat who wants to do the whole thing all over again, knowing full well that there's every chance he might snuff out the last lingering bits of light in the process.That's not a good goal.Square Enix says he wants to spark war against the tyranny of light to restore equilibrium. The entire idea that there's even a "tyranny of light" in the first place is stupid. Yes, most people in the Realm of Light believe in light and shun the darkness, but that's not tyranny. That's survival. There's not a whole lot of light left in the world after the original Keyblade War. They're basically just safekeeping what little remains.

 

I'd go as far to say as this equilibrium he's supposedly after is just a silly justification for starting another damn war. But that's none of my business though. *sips Lipton tea*

I don't really condone Master Xehanort's action but I will note that good and evil is a matter of perspective. It's easy say from our own perspectives what's good and evil because we all have our own ideals and biases. Hell I could point fingers at a bunch of people on this very site who did a bunch of firetrucked up shit. However you could make the argument that from their perspective they were doing the right thing. The same could be argued for Xehanort as we only see the story from the heroes point of view. The reality of Master Xehanort as a character is we  know little to nothing about his motivations other then his desire to tear down the light and restore balance at all costs. We have no knowledge of how he came to that conclusion or what spurred his curiosity about Kingdom Hearts. Why tear down the light? Why is he willing to disregard the lives of everyone to access Kingdom Hearts? Why such a desperation to fulfill this goal even after so many failures? If we can answer all those questions with a hundred percent surety of evil intentions then yes Master Xehanort is an irredeemable evil lunatic.

 

Also I disagree with the notion that the tyranny of light is a good thing born purely from survival. If I recall coveting the light is what brought forth the first Keyblade War in the first place. Darkness was created from light the two cannot exist without each other. Sure at first people cherished and protected the light but eventually they succumbed to human weaknesses. They got greedy, and horded the light to themselves and in that spectrum of thought brought forth the first darkness in the world. It should also be noted that in the original Keyblade War while some wielders on the side of darkness were motivated by lust and power others merely sought to reconcile the light and the darkness.

 

Once again I'll reiterate that I don't really condone the methods that Xehanort has used to achieve his goals but at the same time never thought of him as pure evil. If there is one thing KH has taught us is the overabundance of anything is bad whether it be light or darkness. The other characters that we have come to love are not squeaky clean either but we overlook that because they got a chance to redeem themselves. Until we get more Xehanort backstory he'll always came off as "The ends justify the means" kind of bad guy without the "Ends" being explained properly.  

[NemesisSP 160]

 

 

 

Not what happened. He left Ven on Destiny Islands to die after he tried to force him to do something he wasn't ready to do. He walked away but when he saw Ven summon a Keyblade and shoot out a ray of light, Xehanort decided he could still be of use someday and then dumped him on Eraqus until he could make use of him again. It doesn't even matter that he once had compassion I don't see why people are saying that the point is what he's currently doing is endangering all living things. He could've once been nicer than Ned Flanders but his goal now isn't noble, that's the point. It hasn't been since the moment he thought there was "too much" light and something needed to be done about it. Then due to the whole Time Travel retcon, Young Master Xehanort as a man who looks about 20 is on this path to swallowing everything in darkness. So from his young self to his current self that's about 50 or 60 years of no nobility.

 

 

 

Okay, first off, you're misunderstanding what I'm saying here. Because I never said that was the only reason he left him there. I'm saying in the reports that it's revealed that he specifically chose Destiny Islands for him to spend his last moments in peace because he had some compassion for him, even if he had just pulled his darkness out (which I mentioned, btw). I never said he wasn't going to use Ven again after he revealed himself to still be possibly useful, I was expressly pointing out the reasons for why he chose Land of Departure and Destiny Islands. Go back and read those reports if you do not believe me. I also pointed out that he chose Terra during his visit there. 

 

 

Secondly, IT DOES because you specifically stated you don't agree with it, meaning you think it's trivial. But it's not, it's part of the understanding of the character and how even a good intentioned individual can be corrupted into doing horrible things. The idea is that Xehanort, who is stated to have been not so different from Sora and Riku, even being from the Destiny Islands, used to be a good but still flawed person but because of his ambitions and dabbling in dark powers, that is no longer the case. Hell, Dream Drop Distance made it clear that Xehanort is what Riku could have been had he not chosen to remain a moral and good person and just let darkness corrupt him. There is the point in bringing it up.

 

 

I didn't say Square Enix thinks he's right. I just quoted their phrase of tyranny of light and said I don't agree with the concept. I'm well aware that they're speaking from Xehanort's perspective. I even told Dracozombie that I saw people HERE say it, I'm well aware its some fans mostly who think this.

 

 

Then state your opening argument better, because when you say it like that it makes it seem like you do think they think that. And just because you don't agree with the concept just makes it even worse because that is absolutely an obvious statement. We're not supposed to agree with the tyranny of light concept that Xehanort is spouting. That's the point, so good job about being obvious about it.

Edited July 23, 2014 by NemesisSP

[Dr. Shimo 202]

I still can't read your posts without getting mesmerized by your signature -_-

 

Anyway, I think personally the tyranny of light may have had to do with something with Xehanort growing up. Maybe he was always stuck on Destiny Islands, expected to be a perfect child? Then he goes off and trains to be a Keyblade master. But is outshone by his master, Eraqus, and maybe even Yen Sid. I could think of even just his relationship with Eraqus giving a reason for him to see a "tyranny of light".

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Xehanort is a sociopath.

[Grotesquery 603]

Well aware of all this. It's pretty much why this topic exists. 

 Please don't tell the point of my own topic, I know that better than anyone. Considering how I haven't mocked or painted in a bad light anyone who supports Xehanort, then no I'm not out to decry whoever supports him and they're free support him if they want. Some people like to see villains win. His goal just isn't noble and the topic is to say why it's not.

Yeah, sorry about that. I felt like a lot of this was just turning into why Xehanort was a bad villain, with less focus on his motives themselves. I didn't mean to assume or imply anything, so sorry if it came across as that or I offended you at all. The fact is I usually don't get involved in discussion like this, and I wanted to start branching out and thinking more in depth about Xehanort himself in a little bit of a character study, I sort of used your thread as an excuse to further my own means. I'm sorry if that was kind of a waste, but I can't apologize for just adding my opinion into the mix.

[MyDixieRect 2,061]

Damn dude, didn't you see I was sarcastic?

 

Yeah I knew that. I was at quota so I couldn't like the comment.

[Keyblader_95 1,410]

Yeah I knew that. I was at quota so I couldn't like the comment.

Oh, right I thought you had misunderstood my sarcasm since you sounded "upset"

[Neptune Vasilias 340]

Do you wanna blow the worlds uuuuupp, we can all get Keyblades noooowwww. No but really I feel the end of Xehanort will be like the end of Madara Uchiha so all he's done for the Darkness will just push the light to greater heights

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

Apologies, it's how daddy raised me.

 

Thanks for your detailed reply. Yeah about the "too much light" thing that's just a huge WTF. Darkness is devouring worlds as we speak, very little light remains and he sees that there's "too much"? How?! And Xehanort is aware that what he's doing might destroy the light forever, it's common sense. The last Keyblade War almost did just that so obviously doing it again, when there is much less light remaining will only secure this fate. In fact, in his own words he says "ruin brings creation" so he's expecting the world to become swallowed in darkness and turn to ashes, that's a complete disregard for all life. It'd be the equivalent of me killing almost everyone on Earth just to see if the new civilizaition builds something more grandiose. It's a complete disregard for the well being of all living things. Yes he's corrupted by darkness now but ever believing there was too much light and believing something needed to be done about it, particularly something that endagers life,sounds like a big no no.

He didn't recognize that there was so little light left. Actually, it's not that there was hardly any light left, it's that the light had to be rebuilt from what little remained. There's more light now, but not nearly as much as there was in the old world, and it's much more fragile now than it ever was. The world is essentially called The Realm of Light, the darkness having manifested into a physical form in another realm. Xehanort feels that the two separated is an imbalance, as one could topple the other. The way I see it, he wishes to bind everything into one world, and that he has to destroy the current world with darkness in order for the light to be reborn differently. It's not that he thinks that there is too much light, it's that he feels that it is all the realm and it's denizens will accept and that it has "blinded" people. I mean, the whole "light is good, dark is bad" misconception had to come from somewhere, right? Anyway, he wants create a world where both elements have equal standing. It's just ironic that he intends on using darkness to achieve that goal. However, he's doing it knowing that the light must put up a resistance. He knows that it takes both light and darkness to reach his goal, he's just accepted his role as the darkness, and all he has to do is goad those of the light to battle him one last time.

 

Say what you will about what is right and what is wrong, but Xehanort's twisted and distorted view of the world and equally corrupt plans for it grew from a reasonable view that things were't in balance. The light was recovering, but as a result more attention was given to the light, and in turn that made it appear that the darkness was getting weaker. He had well minded intentions to begin with, but they've gotten more sinister as time went on, and regardless of how many lives it will affect, Xehanort clearly only cares about shaping the world into the form he sees fit, as well as finally witnessing just what the hell happened after the Great Keyblade War. To me, it's the story of an intellectual who walked down a dark path that he only seems to be going deeper into, and is intent on staying there. It's not like he was born with the intention of destroying everybody cause he's evil, he's just basically gone senile and crazy with power.

[liamaru 294]

i bet in kingdom hearts III xehanort will absorb kingdom hearts and become god like kefca did

[Forever 3,550]

Well to be honest, I think Xehanort is the first villian I have ever seen who does bad things not because he wants to rule the world: but because he's just curious. Thats why Eraqus became so angry with him in BBS. "You're willing to bring about the Apacolypse, just because of curiousity??!!!"  Xehanort wants to know what another battle between Light and Darkness could bring about. This is the only thing he seeks. Which is why he seems more lke a tragic Shakespearean character in my opinion: a man who has become so obsessed with an idea that he's willing to hurt anyone to achieve that idea. He's literally spent his entire life planning out how to do this, and was even willing to give up his own body to see is goals come to fruition. It's just sad, really. All of this drama.....because one man was too curious.

[FutureKeybearer 36]

It's one of those things where in the villain's completely warped and delusional mind it's doing the world a favor, but in reality, it's just gonna f**K things up even worse.