In DDD why is old man Xehanort there instead of Terra-Xehanort

[Cucco 1,907]

So, if Xemnas and Ansem SOD were defeated then why didn't he come back as Terra-Xehanort instead of Old Man Xehanort? And at what point in time were Ansem SOD and Xemnas brought to the present time. Im confuzzled.

[Exiblade7 1,917]

The one called terranort in BBS lost his heart in an experiment which caused him to have a nobody and a heartless. By the time the events of DDD happens his heartless and nobody has been defeated by Sora and others. That is why Xehanort is back in DDD. 

Edited July 18, 2014 by Zeldablade7

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

So, if Xemnas and Ansem SOD were defeated then why didn't he come back as Terra-Xehanort instead of Old Man Xehanort? And at what point in time were Ansem SOD and Xemnas brought to the present time. Im confuzzled.

Wow. Good question, I actually don't have an answer for this. And I can usually explain away plot holes. I mean, Xemnas was Terra's body and Ansem was Xehannort's Heartless so they should have come back as the being they originally split from, Namelu Apprentice Xehanort. Unless the heart released upon Ansems' defeat somehow found it's way to it's original body, which vanished at the end of BBS. which it shouldn't have because a body should only disappear if the heart becomes a Heartless.

 

Someone PM Flaming Lea, if anyone has an answer, it's her

 

As for the second part, they could have been brought from any time before their defeats because they'd return to the exact moment in time the originally left.

Edited July 18, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno

[Cucco 1,907]

The one called terranort in BBS lost is lost in an experiment which caused him to have a nobody and a heartless. By the time the events of DDD happens his heartless and nobody has been defeated by Sora and others. That is why Xehanort is back in DDD. 

I know that But I'm saying since Xemnas and Ansem were the Nobody and Heartless of Terra-Xehanort then why did he come back as Regular Xehanort.

[TerraRedeemed 255]

The one called terranort in BBS lost is lost in an experiment which caused him to have a nobody and a heartless. By the time the events of DDD happens his heartless and nobody has been defeated by Sora and others. That is why Xehanort is back in DDD. 

 

This really didn't answer the question. 

[AuraAce 1,126]

Because Ansem and Xemnas were killed resulting in the reincarnation of Xehanort. Terranort is just another splinter of Xehanort's self, spread through time.

[Caity 3,946]

I see nothing wrong with MX coming back as MX and not Terranort, just presume on the demise of Ansem SOD and Xemnas both the original selves of Terra and MX were created separately, and I think Terra's quite weak and so is being held captive/indoctrinated by MX again to be a Darkness

[Demyx. 10,064]

It's either 1 of 2 things. Master Xehanort's heart won the battle and since the heart shapes the vessel he gained the appearance of old Master Xehanort. Or Master Xehanort's heart went back to his old body when xemnas and ansem were defeated. 

[Exiblade7 1,917]

I know that But I'm saying since Xemnas and Ansem were the Nobody and Heartless of Terra-Xehanort then why did he come back as Regular Xehanort.

I might not be right, but I think that Terra isn't in Xehanort. Xehanort toke full control over Terra's body, which means that if Terranort lost his heart it would be like anybody else losing a heart and if both heartless and nobody are defeated both heart and body. This is a tricky question if you ask me. 

 

 

This really didn't answer the question. 

 

I noticed. That was my mistake. 

Edited July 18, 2014 by Zeldablade7

[The_eternal_nothing 586]

Because Ansem and Xemnas were killed resulting in the reincarnation of Xehanort. Terranort is just another splinter of Xehanort's self, spread through time.

but ansem and Xemnas wern't just Xehanort they were also part Terra he's asking since he lost his heart when he was merged with Terra why didn't he return in that state? which I don't think theres an answer for yet

[Keyblader_95 1,410]

There's not yet an answer for the first part, as far as I know. As for the second part they could have been taken from any point before they're defeat. I don't think when is important since they were brought back in the time where they were taken, without their memories about what happened in the future ( which is weird since it would mean that the Xemnas and Ansem SOD we fought back in KH I and KH II had already experienced time travel but stayed the same anyway cause they lost the memories of such time travel)

[Joveus 4]

Why does everybody seem to think the Master Xehanort seen in DDD was created at the time the game took place? With time travel playing a major role now, is it unrealistic to presume that Master Xehanort does not even exist at the time of DDD and even KH3?

 

I believe that the defeat of Ansem and Xemnas did indeed recomplete Terra-Xehanort, not Master Xehanort. I also expect Terra-Xehanort to be a member of the new Organization. My expectation is that Young Xehanort (as a member of the Organization) will continue to appear in KH3, and that at some point Terra-Xehanort will be fought, Master Xehanort will be expelled from Terra's body, and at that point Young Xehanort will appear to spirit him away to conduct his meeting in DDD. Only after Terra is rescued will Master Xehanort become the major antagonist of KH3, with Terra-Xehanort or somebody else taking that role in the beginning.

 

Edit: Since the "Quote" function doesn't seem to work, @Keyblader_95 I also find it interesting that Xemnas and Ansem are from their time in KH2. Xemnas already seems to know Sora so Young Xehanort could have found him at any point between the battle in KHI and the end of KHII, but Ansem only has that form very briefly between Hollow Bastion and End of the World, so technically Riku is fighting his own possessed body during the meeting at the end of DDD.

Edited July 18, 2014 by Joveus

[Demyx. 10,064]

Why does everybody seem to think the Master Xehanort seen in DDD was created at the time the game took place? 

 

Because they said so in the game.

Edited July 18, 2014 by Squirting Demyx

[Ruby Rose 8,591]

For suspense mainly

[Joveus 4]

When? They said his twelve selves would welcome him on the day he returned a complete person, but where did they say it was that specific day? If he was revived at the same time as Lea and the rest it would have been a little while back, and since Young Xehanort is a time traveller, why could he not have been bought back from the future?

[Demyx. 10,064]

When? They said his twelve selves would welcome him on the day he returned a complete person, but where did they say it was that specific day? If he was revived at the same time as Lea and the rest it would have been a little while back, and since Young Xehanort is a time traveller, why could he not have been bought back from the future?

 

Go to about 2:20

[Joveus 4]

Yes, it says "My most future self will return soon". I don't see how that discounts the possibility that he is from further in the future than the meeting itself.

[Demyx. 10,064]

Yes, it says "My most future self will return soon". I don't see how that discounts the possibility that he is from further in the future than the meeting itself.

Because that wouldn't even make sense. 

[TerraRedeemed 255]

When? They said his twelve selves would welcome him on the day he returned a complete person, but where did they say it was that specific day? If he was revived at the same time as Lea and the rest it would have been a little while back, and since Young Xehanort is a time traveller, why could he not have been bought back from the future?

 

Young Xehanort says, " My most recent self"

[Joveus 4]

... Why not? I'm not trying to be pedantic but if Young Xehanort is recruiting members from across time why can he not recruit Master Xehanort from a future day when his heart is expelled from Terra-Xehanort and bring him back to the meeting?

 

I'm not understanding what would prevent this from happening; it doesn't contradict anything that has already occurred, and explains the absence of a recompleted Terra-Xehanort.

[Demyx. 10,064]

... Why not? I'm not trying to be pedantic but if Young Xehanort is recruiting members from across time why can he not recruit Master Xehanort from a future day when his heart is expelled from Terra-Xehanort and bring him back to the meeting?

 

I'm not understanding what would prevent this from happening; it doesn't contradict anything that has already occurred, and explains the absence of a recompleted Terra-Xehanort.

Master Xehanort says he only knows the future up to that very point. 

 

and if he was from a farther future he would have known that lea would mess with his plan.

Edited July 18, 2014 by Squirting Demyx

[awesomeinmyworld 268]

I've wondered about this too, it does make more sense for Terranort to return rather than MX. Maybe Terranort was one the members that we haven't seen and, as others have suggested, MX could be from the future. However, MX did say that "the future was beyond his sight" meaning he wouldn't know what would happen after he showed up, if he did, Lea wouldn't have been able to save Sora. Of course there is the whole "can't change things that are destined to happen" rule of KH time travel, so Sora was probably meant to be saved, but why target him in the first place if that was the case? Maybe MX came form the past. Anyway, I have a more convoluted theory cause, why not?

 

I think that Terranort was prevented from returning by the gathering of the 13 Darknesses. YX did say that time would return to "normal" once MX showed up and I think Nomura said that TWTNW in 3D existed in a "special place in time", allowing the gathering of Xehanort's other selves. Ansem and Xemnas were there, meaning Terranort's body and heart were separated again in the present; Terranort couldn't be there because he wasn't recompleted. When the 13 Darknesses were failed to be united, they all returned to their own times allowing Terranort to be recompleted in the current time. I'm not to sure about this, but maybe through the gathering of his other selves, MX was somehow to re-obtain his old body, but that would mean that Terranort would be able to do the same thing. It's not a complete theory, but it's all I've got.

[Joveus 4]

"The future is beyond my sight" line does not make me think Master Xehanort is speaking literally in terms of seeing future events before they happen. He has shown no knowledge of future events prior to this sentence. Rather, I take it to mean that he had many plans and back up plans, and by looking at the members in the meeting he knows what ones have worked / failed.

 

And he wouldn't have foreknowledge of Lea's attack, since all his past selves who attended the meeting lost their memories of time travel.

 

But I see this is an unpopular idea, so I'll stop here.

Edited July 18, 2014 by Joveus

[PrinceNoctis 1,011]

I actually believe that MX came back simply because Ansem was destroyed and his body was destroyed in the Keyblade Graveyard because Xemnas' body is Terra's body not Xehanort's and Xehanort needs HIS body and HIS heartless to be destroyed to come back.

Edited July 18, 2014 by PrinceNoctis

[Demyx. 10,064]

I've wondered about this too, it does make more sense for Terranort to return rather than MX. Maybe Terranort was one the members that we haven't seen and, as others have suggested, MX could be from the future. However, MX did say that "the future was beyond his sight" meaning he wouldn't know what would happen after he showed up, if he did, Lea wouldn't have been able to save Sora. Of course there is the whole "can't change things that are destined to happen" rule of KH time travel, so Sora was probably meant to be saved, but why target him in the first place if that was the case? Maybe MX came form the past. Anyway, I have a more convoluted theory cause, why not?

 

I think that Terranort was prevented from returning by the gathering of the 13 Darknesses. YX did say that time would return to "normal" once MX showed up and I think Nomura said that TWTNW in 3D existed in a "special place in time", allowing the gathering of Xehanort's other selves. Ansem and Xemnas were there, meaning Terranort's body and heart were separated again in the present; Terranort couldn't be there because he wasn't recompleted. When the 13 Darknesses were failed to be united, they all returned to their own times allowing Terranort to be recompleted in the current time. I'm not to sure about this, but maybe through the gathering of his other selves, MX was somehow to re-obtain his old body, but that would mean that Terranort would be able to do the same thing. It's not a complete theory, but it's all I've got.

Young Xehanort straight up said Master xehanort was his most future self. so he isnt from the past

 

Xemnas and Ansem aren't from the current timeline. They are both from the past. before they were defeated.

"The future is beyond my sight" line does not make me think Master Xehanort is speaking literally in terms of seeing future events before they happen. He has shown no knowledge of future events prior to this sentence. Rather, I take it to mean that he had many plans and back up plans, and by looking at the members in the meeting he knows what ones have worked / failed.

 

And he wouldn't have foreknowledge of Lea's attack, since all his past selves who attended the meeting lost their memories of time travel.

 

But I see this is an unpopular idea, so I'll stop here.

All of his past selves have their memories from before they were taken to the future. Both Ansem and Xemnas talk about things that happened before hand. Young Xehanort talks about things that happened before the time travel. So if Master Xehanort was from a farther future he would know everything that happened before hand.