I Don't Understand The Need For This

[Firaga 5,947]

Why do people want this reject in Kingdom Hearts III?

 

 

Look, I don't have anything against Oswald the Rabbit, but I really really REALLY don't see nor do I care for the need for him to be anywhere near the Kingdom Hearts canon. What, do we need to give Mickey a rival? Even though it'd look like a freaking ass pull plot-wise if he showed up for that? And even though we already HAVE a game series that stars the both of them butting heads with each other so there's no need for it? And even though Mickey doesn't even need a rival and should focus on helping Riku find the lost Keyblade Wielders so we can end this Xehanort nonsense already?

 

I DON'T GET IT! I just don't!

[KHUndertaleFan25 2,858]

Oswald is cool. But i liked Mickey first. 

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Why rival? Why not ally? Besides, unless he had a Keyblade he couldn't really be considered Mickey's rival because rivals have to at least be able to be competition.

Edited July 18, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno

[Firaga 5,947]

Why rival? Why not ally? Besides, unless he had a Keyblade he couldn't really be considered Mickey's rival because rivals have to at least be able to be competition.

 

Alright fair point, but ALLY doesn't make sense either. 

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Alright fair point, but ALLY doesn't make sense either. 

Why not? An ally doesn't necessarily have to like you, they just have to be willing to work with you.

[Dave 5,715]

Some people want Oswald for the same reason some people want Shibuya, and others a Midgar world. People have affinities to certain characters, and given that Kingdom Hearts has become something of a melting pot, it's not exactly beyond reason for them to think that one of their favorite Disney characters might make a cameo. 

 

And given that Nomura has already introduced device after device into the plot well beyond the point of actually requiring them to achieve something, I don't think one more addition to the cluster is exactly going to ruin anything. I'm sure he could explain it in an interview released three months after the game debuts, and then everything will be right with the word.

[Philip Ellwell 5,487]

Lets keep Epic Mickey and Kingdom Hearts separated, please. 

[Caity 3,946]

I don't understand why people want Star Wars in the game or care for Days, but alas people's personal opinions and ideas on what could happen given any situation flourishes into a fun and exciting proposition.  I would like to see him because he's a forgotten Disney mascot, is related to Mickey and King of the Wasteland, which sounds like a dark dreary place to see in KH compared to Disney town or castle.  That gives him motivation for teaming up with MX as one of the 13 (we are expecting new and old faces right?) to logically make sense, but that doesn't mean I want to see him turn into a main character or steal spot light just think it would be a neat fight to see Oswald and Mickey actually duel.  

[Firaga 5,947]

Why not? An ally doesn't necessarily have to like you, they just have to be willing to work with you.

 

Yeah but WHY? Was he sealed away just like Pete was after Birth By Sleep? And if so, why did it take him so long plot wise to be freed? He could have teamed up with Pete and Maleficiant! ... Actually, now that I think about it, that would have been an interesting i-PFFT, never mind, I'm getting off topic. The point is it wouldn't make sense.

 

Some people want Oswald for the same reason some people want Shibuya, and others a Midgar world. People have affinities to certain characters, and given that Kingdom Hearts has become something of a melting pot, it's not exactly beyond reason for them to think that one of their favorite Disney characters might make a cameo. 

 

And given that Nomura has already introduced device after device into the plot well beyond the point of actually requiring them to achieve something, I don't think one more addition to the cluster is exactly going to ruin anything. I'm sure he could explain it in an interview released three months after the game debuts, and then everything will be right with the word.

 

Yeah, I really don't care for some of the things the majority of the fanbase wants, or at least the stuff that gets on my nerves because everybody goes nuts over. Also because some of them DON'T MAKE SENSE. Like Oswald.

 

Also: what does that mean? D: Of course there is something to achieve, we got a creepy old man and his army of clones trying to take over the world! Furthermore, how is throwing in the failed version of Mickey Mouse going to help that?

[Think Pink 1,967]

It's some people's personal preference - I'd cry happy tears if I got to play with Anna and Elsa, but I know plenty of people who are horrified by the idea. You're never going to know exactly why people like a certain character, and I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to see a beloved character in your favorite game series. Personally I wouldn't want to see it but I'm not the one making the game so it's not really up to me. 

[Cucco 1,907]

Play Epic Mickey on the Wii, not the sequel that game is awful. He's a really great character once you get to play the game.

[D0G3 66]

You know what? I don't really wanna see him much either. But it's not hard to understand others, it's impossible. You, and I, might not see why others want him in: But everyone has their own opinion. 

[Firaga 5,947]

Play Epic Mickey on the Wii, not the sequel that game is awful. He's a really great character once you get to play the game.

 

I've played Epic Mickey (skipped the sequel, thankfully) and I still don't see the appeal. He's just a more antagonistic and dickish version of Mickey.

[Ghost 1,857]

Meant to google Oswald the Rabbit but accidentally clicked Oswald of Carim

 

 

 

I mean, I wouldn't object to a Dark Souls and KH crossover but...

[MyDixieRect 2,061]

It's almost as if human beings can have different opinions.

[Ghost 1,857]

It's almost as if human beings can have different opinions.

[Exiblade7 1,917]

You know what? I don't really wanna see him much either. But it's not hard to understand others, it's impossible. You, and I, might not see why others want him in: But everyone has their own opinion. 

I agree with you. People shouldn't really be bashing other people's opinions about aswald even if it's impossible for him to be in the kh series.

[Firaga 5,947]

It's almost as if human beings can have different opinions.

 

Hey, don't make me sound like an asshole, I just DON'T GET IT.-_-

 

I'm not saying anybody who believes the opposite is wrong, or an idiot, or a sack of shit, or anything like that. I. Do Not. Get It.

 

And you know what, the reason I'm even presenting it this way is so that other people who do get it can convince me otherwise. As you so clearly said (even though it was so sarcastically put), human beings can have different opinions.

Edited July 18, 2014 by Oishii

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Yeah but WHY? Was he sealed away just like Pete was after Birth By Sleep? And if so, why did it take him so long plot wise to be freed? He could have teamed up with Pete and Maleficiant! ... Actually, now that I think about it, that would have been an interesting i-PFFT, never mind, I'm getting off topic. The point is it wouldn't make sense.

 

 

Yeah, I really don't care for some of the things the majority of the fanbase wants, or at least the stuff that gets on my nerves because everybody goes nuts over. Also because some of them DON'T MAKE SENSE. Like Oswald.

 

Also: what does that mean? D: Of course there is something to achieve, we got a creepy old man and his army of clones trying to take over the world! Furthermore, how is throwing in the failed version of Mickey Mouse going to help that?

They could just say that he's been world-hopping, trying to find his place. I mean judging by Scrooge McDuck, Huey, Dewy and Louie residents of Disney Town/Castle have their own means of inter-world travel.

 

And he doesn't necessarily have to be a major character either.

Edited July 18, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno

[esu1549 26]

I think we should be able to revisit the Timeless River and have Oswald be a party member there. That would be fun

[Ghost 1,857]

Hey, don't make me sound like an asshole, I just DON'T GET IT.-_-

 

I'm not saying anybody who believes the opposite is wrong, or an idiot, or a sack of shit, or anything like that. I. Do Not. Get It.

 

And you know what, the reason I'm even presenting it this way is so that other people who do get it can convince me otherwise. As you so clearly said (even though it was so sarcastically put), human beings can have different opinions.

I see what you mean, but sometimes the only reason people like and want something is really, "Just 'cause". For example, I like cosplay "just 'cause". I hate Regular Show "just 'cause"

 

I didn't play Epic Mickey so I honestly have no opinions on this owo But just curious, what exactly do you want people to convince you? Reasons why Oswald should be in KH3? Minnie's already having an affair with Ozzy so that's plot enough

 

(im just kidding you, btw)

I think we should be able to revisit the Timeless River and have Oswald be a party member there. That would be fun

This is a good idea! That way everyone will be happy. For Oswald fans, he'll make an appearance. For those who hate him, he won't be PERMANENTLY in the game. Eerybody wins!

Edited July 18, 2014 by Oishii

[Firaga 5,947]

They could just say that he's been world-hopping, trying to find his place. I mean judging by Scrooge McDuck, Huey, Dewy and Louie residents of Disney Town/Castle have their own means of inter-world travel.

 

And he doesn't necessarily have to be a major character either.

 

Okay, but again, WHY? I need a solid answer here that doesn't so obviously point out that Nomura threw him into the story at the last minute just to please the ten people that wanted him in! DX

 

And now you see where my main problem with this comes from...

 

 

Ducky:

 

But just curious, what exactly do you want people to convince you? Reasons why Oswald should be in KH3? Minnie's already having an affair with Ozzy so that's plot enough

 

(im just kidding you, btw)

 

I'm not gonna lie, that Minnie and Oswald crack made me chuckle. lol

 

But yeah, that's EXACTLY the reason. I'm really feeling close minded on this and I'm trying to find a leeway into seeing things from the other perspective. I am open minded after all. Or at least try to be.

Edited July 18, 2014 by Firaga Sensei

[Oishii 3,987]

Okay, but again, WHY? I need a solid answer here that doesn't so obviously point out that Nomura threw him into the story at the last minute just to please the ten people that wanted him in! DX

 

And now you see where my main problem with this comes from...

 

If Nomura were to include Oswald it would probably be in terms of recognizing Disney's history, as Oswald is an important part to that.  We wouldn't have Mickey if it weren't for him.  His character design fits in well with the other Disney characters in the game.  You say only ten people who want him, but Oswald is HUGELY popular in Japan.  You go to a Disney store there and there are entire sections of the store dedicated to Oswald.

 

I don't expect him at all in KHIII, though.  If he's to be added, it should be in the next arc so that whatever knew plot and threat is brought into the future games his character can be smoothly incorporated into it.  It wouldn't be a good idea to just throw him in at the finale of one arc just because people want him.  In that I agree with you.

 

And as much as you don't like Oswald, I don't like Pete and have to put up with him.  I actually don't like Chip and Dale that much either.  But we all have our likes and dislikes and we can't expect a game to cater to individual whims.  Not when the Japanese cries for Oswald are louder than ours 

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Okay, but again, WHY? I need a solid answer here that doesn't so obviously point out that Nomura threw him into the story at the last minute just to please the ten people that wanted him in! DX

 

And now you see where my main problem with this comes from...

 

 

I'm not gonna lie, that Minnie and Oswald crack made me chuckle. lol

 

But yeah, that's EXACTLY the reason. I'm really feeling close minded on this and I'm trying to find a leeway into seeing things from the other perspective. I am open minded after all. Or at least try to be.

Let me ask you this, why is any specific Disney character "necessary" to be in KH? No Disney character (except Mickey Donald Goofy and to a lesser extant Jiminy, Yen Sid and the PoH) needs to be there, they're just there to either provide goods or move the plot of a specific world. Oswald could easily fit into another "Timeless River" like world.

 

If you're looking for a reason KH III cannot progress without Oswald you win, there is none, other then to possibly shed some light on Mickey's past. At this point most Disney characters and worlds have been rendered superfluous. They have enough original characters and worlds to make an entire game without using Disney at all. 

 

Ooh, maybe he can be a part of the story on how Mickey got the Kingdom Key D. I mean, the RoD is a lot like the Wasteland if you think about it,

Edited July 19, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno

[Firaga 5,947]

If Nomura were to include Oswald it would probably be in terms of recognizing Disney's history, as Oswald is an important part to that.  We wouldn't have Mickey if it weren't for him.  His character design fits in well with the other Disney characters in the game.  You say only ten people who want him, but Oswald is HUGELY popular in Japan.  You go to a Disney store there and there are entire sections of the store dedicated to Oswald.

 

I don't expect him at all in KHIII, though.  If he's to be added, it should be in the next arc so that whatever knew plot and threat is brought into the future games his character can be smoothly incorporated into it.  It wouldn't be a good idea to just throw him in at the finale of one arc just because people want him.  In that I agree with you.

 

And as much as you don't like Oswald, I don't like Pete and have to put up with him.  I actually don't like Chip and Dale that much either.  But we all have our likes and dislikes and we can't expect a game to cater to individual whims.  Not when the Japanese cries for Oswald are louder than ours 

 

Pretty sure the only reason Oswald is popular is because of Epic Mickey. Just Saiyan.

 

 

Let me ask you this, why is any specific Disney character "necessary" to be in KH? No Disney character (except Mickey Donald Goofy and to a lesser extant Jiminy) needs to be there, they're just there to either provide goods or move the plot of a specific world. Oswald could easily fit into another "Timeless River" like world.

 

If you're looking for a reason KH III cannot progress without Oswald there is none, other then to possibly shed some light in Mickey past. At this point most Disney characters have been rendered superfluous. They have enough original characters and worlds to make an entire game without using Disney at all. 

 

Ooh, maybe he can be a part of the story on how Mickey got the Kingdom Key D. I mean, the RoD is a lot like the Wasteland if you think about it,

 

WELL... uh... er... m-maybe... 

 

But on to the other points: Look, all I want is for the reason he's in the game is to APPEAR to make sense.

 

Also, just to push the envelope even further, why would Oswald help Mickey? Why would he even be in the Realm Of Darkness? Isn't the concept of Oswald (at least to most people) is that he's an antagonist towards Mickey? I know that earlier you pointed out he could be an ally, but seriously, I really think that he's more suited to be a bad guy.