AuraAce 1,126 Posted July 17, 2014 Well at least this list has sparked debate which is what I set out to do when making this list in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yuya Sakaki 5,212 Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) You got these from HMK, didn't you? He's pointed out every one of these except for the No. 10 in his videos. I knew these were familiar when I read them This woman needs to write a book already. EVERYTHING IN THE Kingdom Hearts SERIES SINCE FREAKING EVER By Lea Maybe she's Tetsuya Nomura in disguise! Peace! Edited July 17, 2014 by CaelumMare Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flaahgra012 32 Posted July 17, 2014 I thought that Roxas could dual wield because he obtained Xions keyblade after fighting her, he couldn't have had Sora's heart because at that point in time Sora was literally composed of just a heart, since he was restored without a body by Kairi. If Roxas had Sora's heart then Sora would not have existed during chain if memories, Roxas still had Ventus' heart so his body was able to age which is why Sora('s heart's physical form) appeared to have aged by kingdom hearts II. Right? Or have I misinterpreted something? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted July 17, 2014 You got these from HMK, didn't you? He's pointed out every one of these except for the No. 10 in his videos. I knew these were familiar when I read them Maybe she's Tetsuya Nomura in disguise! Peace!No wonder there is a lot of wrong facts in there lol.I thought that Roxas could dual wield because he obtained Xions keyblade after fighting her, he couldn't have had Sora's heart because at that point in time Sora was literally composed of just a heart, since he was restored without a body by Kairi. If Roxas had Sora's heart then Sora would not have existed during chain if memories, Roxas still had Ventus' heart so his body was able to age which is why Sora('s heart's physical form) appeared to have aged by kingdom hearts II. Right? Or have I misinterpreted something? Xion never had a keyblade it was a fake. She was siphoning power from Roxas which allowed her copy to function as a real on would.As for Sora's body aging it's a little more tricky. While it is is plausible that both Ven and Roxas's allowed Sora's body to age people tend to overlook the Sora factor. As Nomura has stated repeatedly the heart shapes the vessel. Sora whose walking heart form was also aging during that time frame. By KH2 he had aged a significant amount and upon rejoining with Roxas his body altered to match the form his heart's form. 1 HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flaahgra012 32 Posted July 17, 2014 No wonder there is a lot of wrong facts in there lol.Xion never had a keyblade it was a fake. She was siphoning power from Roxas which allowed her copy to function as a real on would.As for Sora's body aging it's a little more tricky. While it is is plausible that both Ven and Roxas's allowed Sora's body to age people tend to overlook the Sora factor. As Nomura has stated repeatedly the heart shapes the vessel. Sora whose walking heart form was also aging during that time frame. By KH2 he had aged a significant amount and upon rejoining with Roxas his body altered to match the form his heart's form. But still Roxas could not have had Sora's heart and keyblade during 358/2 days because Soras heart was in castle oblivion being repaired by Namine at the sime point in time that Roxas was dual wielding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted July 17, 2014 But still Roxas could not have had Sora's heart and keyblade during 358/2 days because Soras heart was in castle oblivion being repaired by Namine at the sime point in time that Roxas was dual wieldingI never implied that Roxas had Sora's heart lol. Roxas and Sora were sharing Sora's keyblade the entire time of Roxas's existence. Roxas could use Sora's keyblade because of his status as Sora's Nobody. 1 HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flaahgra012 32 Posted July 17, 2014 I never implied that Roxas had Sora's heart lol. Roxas and Sora were sharing Sora's keyblade the entire time of Roxas's existence. Roxas could use Sora's keyblade because of his status as Sora's Nobody. The original post said he did, but yeah that makes sense thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeYenrz 276 Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) It's possible that the method of forging a Keyblade was lost when the worlds were swallowed by darkness at the end of the last Keyblade War. As we don't know how they where made in the first place it may not have anything to do with metal, a smith or a forge but something far more abstract and difficult. My personal theory is that Keyblades are a physical representation of the strength of a wielders heart and therefor cannot be created with physical materials but rather only through training ones heart. Again this method of heart strengthening could have been lost at the end of the Keyblade War. A couple things about that topicFirst, a Nobody is the body and soul of a person, not the heart and soul. Second, Aren't Replicas just artificial Nobodies? So couldn't Xion and Riku Replica, along with Xemnas, Roxas and Namine just be called Nobodies and then have Special Nobodies and Replicas just by Sub Categories of Nobodies? well, aren't Replicas just artificial humans? why specifically artificial nobodies since Replicas go and copy whoever they were meant to copy. If the Replica is successful, then they will eventually become the exact equivalent of the person they're copying. Same in memories, heart, and mind. Edited July 18, 2014 by khdayskh1314 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted July 18, 2014 well, aren't Replicas just artificial humans? why specifically artificial nobodies since Replicas go and copy whoever they were meant to copy. If the Replica is successful, then they will eventually become the exact equivalent of the person they're copying. Same in memories, heart, and mind. Because the heart has been shown to be to complicated to truly create. Since the defining trait of a Nobody is being born without a heart and true hearts can't be created, only shallow imitations then Replica's are created without real hearts, making them closer to Nobodies than humans Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeYenrz 276 Posted July 18, 2014 Because the heart has been shown to be to complicated to truly create. Since the defining trait of a Nobody is being born without a heart and true hearts can't be created, only shallow imitations then Replica's are created without real hearts, making them closer to Nobodies than humans okay fine. i was wrong about the replica copying the original's heart. But the original's memories and body are copied. And like the lore says, when emotions are rubbed together they create emotion. And interaction with other people will eventually result in the replica growing its own heart (that aspect caught Organization XIII off guard). And this gives them identity and emotion. Both Repliku and Xion eventually went through this process. But this process is not identical to any other process the other species go through (nobodies, humans, heartless). It just happens to be that Replicas' processes are most similar to Nobodies. And that's why Xion was accepted into the Organization by the other members as a nobody so easily.( or is it all in my head...?)But nonetheless, shouldn't Replicas be able to be called their own species? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted July 18, 2014 okay fine. i was wrong about the replica copying the original's heart. But the original's memories and body are copied. And like the lore says, when emotions are rubbed together they create emotion. And interaction with other people will eventually result in the replica growing its own heart (that aspect caught Organization XIII off guard). And this gives them identity and emotion. Both Repliku and Xion eventually went through this process. But this process is not identical to any other process the other species go through (nobodies, humans, heartless). It just happens to be that Replicas' processes are most similar to Nobodies. And that's why Xion was accepted into the Organization by the other members as a nobody so easily.( or is it all in my head...?)But nonetheless, shouldn't Replicas be able to be called their own species? Most of the Organization was unaware of Xions true nature, That is why she was accepted so easily by all but Xemnas' inner circle. And it depends on the context. the statement I originally replied to seems to state that Replica's are inferior do to their artificial nature. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeYenrz 276 Posted July 18, 2014 Most of the Organization was unaware of Xions true nature, That is why she was accepted so easily by all but Xemnas' inner circle. And it depends on the context. the statement I originally replied to seems to state that Replica's are inferior do to their artificial nature. reminds me of Kill La Kill though. funny enough. You know, with Ryuuko and Senketsu both being fakes but that's what makes them strong? No? You don't watch Kill La Kill? You don't even know what it is?....aww.... Maybe in the future they'll receive a kewl, unique trait that'll set them apart from all other beings. Even nobodies. But since they're an artificial being thats probably just a dream meant to pass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted July 18, 2014 reminds me of Kill La Kill though. funny enough. You know, with Ryuuko and Senketsu both being fakes but that's what makes them strong? No? You don't watch Kill La Kill? You don't even know what it is?....aww.... Maybe in the future they'll receive a kewl, unique trait that'll set them apart from all other beings. Even nobodies. But since they're an artificial being thats probably just a dream meant to pass. Yeah I watched it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeYenrz 276 Posted July 18, 2014 Yeah I watched it. okay. just put that there just in case you didn't. ehehe.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marco Basile 47 Posted July 31, 2014 This is a Top 10 list which I was given the idea to make by Oishii. This list will go over some of the Common misconceptions that are in and around the Kingdom Hearts Universe. These misconceptions aren't exactly on a higher or lower ground than one another, they are all equal, it's just a random ordering scheme. LET'S GET ON WITH THE LIST! Play this so it's not in silence NUMBER 10! Who actually is the owner of the Kingdom Key? The Kingdom Key's real owner is actually Riku however it fell to Sora as his heart was stronger than Riku's after Riku succumbed to the Darkness in Kingdom Hearts I, however this explains why at certain points in Kingdom Hearts I Riku can wield the Kingdom Key. Riku does however get his own Keyblade once he chooses to walk the Road to Dawn, faces the darkness and conquers it proving that his heart is strong enough to wield a Keyblade which grants him his own Keyblade, the Way to Dawn. NUMBER 9! Have we seen the Real Kingdom Hearts? Many believe that we have seen the real Kingdom Hearts on numerous occasions which is not the case. We have only seen the true Kingdom Hearts once which was in Birth By Sleep. On the other occasions we seen it, It had a Yellow tone of color to it, that is because it was made up of the Hearts of People and it is synthetic (Meaning man-made) however the Birth By Sleep Kingdom Hearts is a Blue tone of color as it is made by the Hearts of the Worlds and is also unlocked by the Assemblage of the X-Blade. NUMBER 8! Sora is not able to Dual Wield without Drive. Sora is in fact able to Dual Wield without the Drive abilities in Kingdom Hearts II that the good fairies granted him along with his new attire, the only purpose the Drive abilities gave to Sora was to give him and edge and help him awaken these abilities easier and use them more fluidly. This is a quote from the Birth By Sleep Ultimania which tells the reason why Sora can Dual Wield without Drive "Sora can wield two Keyblades because he has Ventus' heart as well as his own" NUMBER 7! Do you actually die in the Kingdom Hearts Universe? There is a way to die in Kingdom Hearts and neither of them is when forming the beings of Heartless or Nobodies, they are just bi-products of ones being. With Heartless, that happens when someone loses their heart to the darkness and a Nobody is when someone loses their body, with their heart and soul still in tact. The way to kill someone in Kingdom Hearts is to destroy their soul completely or is removed entirely from their body. However the soul can live on and replace itself, this is shown as an example by Terra's Lingering Will in Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix. NUMBER 6! Roxas is not Ventus and Ventus is not Roxas. Roxas is not Ventus and vice-versa. At first, Roxas was thought to be the nobody of Ventus although that isn't the case as we know now. Roxas is the nobody of Sora however he has a part of Sora and Ventus inside of him, that is why he is given the appearance of Ventus and is able to Dual Wield. Roxas is able to Dual Wield because he has Sora's heart which allows use of the Kingdom Key and Ventus' heart which allows use of the Wayward Wind, this in turn allows him to Dual Wield (Without Drive). He has shown to do it more fluently and effectively than Sora. NUMBER 5! Keyblades themselves are not collected. Keyblades were thought to be gathered by Sora because there was the confusion in Kingdom Hearts II that the Keyblades were their own specific weapon. In actual fact all Sora does is use a different Keychain depending on what Keyblade he is going to use, he just equips whatever Keychain on his Kingdom Key and it will transform into said Keyblade whether it be the Ultima Weapon, Oblivion, Oathkeeper, etc. NUMBER 4! Xehanort confusion. There is a lot of confusion within the Kingdom Hearts community about the Xehanorts. Many believe that Young Xehanort is a younger version of Terranort or Terra-Xehanort. This is not true however. Terranort is just a body that Master Xehanort used to manifest his heart as and give him the mind and memories of Master Xehanort. So the spectrum goes: Young Xehanort > Master Xehanort > Terranort > Apprentice Xehanort. Young Xehanort is Master Xehanort in his teenage years and was given the ability to Time Travel by Ansem Seeker of Darkness. NUMBER 3! Sora is NOT Aqua's successor. Sora isn't Aqua's successor. Many believe that Aqua bestowed the inheritance ceremony when she met him and Riku on Destiny Island. This is not the case, Kairi is actually Aqua's successor as she accidentally performed the inheritance ceremony when touching Aqua's Keyblade in Radiant Garden. Whereas Riku is Terra's successor as Terra thought that Riku would be a worthy successor and deliberately performed the ceremony on Riku. Aqua senses that Terra has already performed the inheritance ceremony on Riku and states "One Keyblade is enough for any friendship." As she had planned to do the ceremony on Sora. NUMBER 2! Xion, A Nobody or a Puppet? Xion is infact a Puppet, she is not by any manor of means a Nobody nor is she her own person. Xion was made by Vexen at Castle Oblivion to replicate that of Roxas and Sora's memories and powers, this is why near the end of Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, Roxas starts to lose power and abilities whereas Xion gains them. This also explains why she takes the form of Sora at the end of the game. NUMBER 1! Nobodies can't wield Keyblades. It is thought that in order to wield a Keyblade, one must have a heart and a strong one at that. Nobodies are born without hearts but it has been shown that over time, Nobodies do grow hearts, thus shown by Roxas. Roxas and Xion can wield from the get-go however because they both harbor a part of Sora, a Keyblade wielder. However Axel or Lea is a Prime example of this coming into play. Axel as a nobody had no heart wielded Chakrams but as 358/2 Days progressed, he developed emotions along with Roxas, this in turn allowed him to grow a heart, he was then "Killed" and had his heart sent back to his original body of Lea. SPOILERS FOR DREAM DROP DISTANCE UP AHEAD! Lea then, with his fully grown heart, materialized a Keyblade in his hand in front of Sora, Mickey, Riku, Donald, Goofy and Master Yen Sid in the Mysterious Tower where he explains he wants to become a Keyblade master and go through the Mark of Mastery Exam. This leads me to believe that He and Kairi will go together in a Mark of Mastery Exam for a small portion of Kingdom Hearts III. This is Lea's Keyblade: I hope you guys enjoyed this. It took me quite a while to make. Amazing! You explained everything in an accurate way Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Potionsmaster 6 Posted July 31, 2014 Nobodies are formed when someone loses their body, while his heart and soul remain. But how is it, then, that the members of Organisation 13 don't have hearts? Of course they can grow them, but don't have one at first. This is a question I have struggled with for some time now. It would be great if someone could clear this up for me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
