Top 10 Common Kingdom Hearts Misconceptions!

[AuraAce 1,126]

This is a Top 10 list which I was given the idea to make by Oishii. This list will go over some of the Common misconceptions that are in and around the Kingdom Hearts Universe. These misconceptions aren't exactly on a higher or lower ground than one another, they are all equal, it's just a random ordering scheme.

 

LET'S GET ON WITH THE LIST!

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NUMBER 10!

 

Who actually is the owner of the Kingdom Key?

 

The Kingdom Key's real owner is actually Riku however it fell to Sora as his heart was stronger than Riku's after Riku succumbed to the Darkness in Kingdom Hearts I, however this explains why at certain points in Kingdom Hearts I Riku can wield the Kingdom Key. Riku does however get his own Keyblade once he chooses to walk the Road to Dawn, faces the darkness and conquers it proving that his heart is strong enough to wield a Keyblade which grants him his own Keyblade, the Way to Dawn.

 

NUMBER 9!

 

Have we seen the Real Kingdom Hearts?

 

Many believe that we have seen the real Kingdom Hearts on numerous occasions which is not the case. We have only seen the true Kingdom Hearts once which was in Birth By Sleep. On the other occasions we seen it, It had a Yellow tone of color to it, that is because it was made up of the Hearts of People and it is synthetic (Meaning man-made) however the Birth By Sleep Kingdom Hearts is a Blue tone of color as it is made by the Hearts of the Worlds and is also unlocked by the Assemblage of the X-Blade.

 

NUMBER 8!

 

Sora is not able to Dual Wield without Drive.

 

Sora is in fact able to Dual Wield without the Drive abilities in Kingdom Hearts II that the good fairies granted him along with his new attire, the only purpose the Drive abilities gave to Sora was to give him and edge and help him awaken these abilities easier and use them more fluidly. This is a quote from the Birth By Sleep Ultimania which tells the reason why Sora can Dual Wield without Drive "Sora can wield two Keyblades because he has Ventus' heart as well as his own"

 

NUMBER 7!

 

Do you actually die in the Kingdom Hearts Universe?

 

There is a way to die in Kingdom Hearts and neither of them is when forming the beings of Heartless or Nobodies, they are just bi-products of ones being. With Heartless, that happens when someone loses their heart to the darkness and a Nobody is when someone loses their body, with their heart and soul still in tact. The way to kill someone in Kingdom Hearts is to destroy their soul completely or is removed entirely from their body. However the soul can live on and replace itself, this is shown as an example by Terra's Lingering Will in Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix.

 

NUMBER 6! 

 

Roxas is not Ventus and Ventus is not Roxas.

 

Roxas is not Ventus and vice-versa. At first, Roxas was thought to be the nobody of Ventus although that isn't the case as we know now. Roxas is the nobody of Sora however he has a part of Sora and Ventus inside of him, that is why he is given the appearance of Ventus and is able to Dual Wield. Roxas is able to Dual Wield because he has Sora's heart which allows use of the Kingdom Key and Ventus' heart which allows use of the Wayward Wind, this in turn allows him to Dual Wield (Without Drive). He has shown to do it more fluently and effectively than Sora.

 

NUMBER 5!

 

Keyblades themselves are not collected. 

 

Keyblades were thought to be gathered by Sora because there was the confusion in Kingdom Hearts II that the Keyblades were their own specific weapon. In actual fact all Sora does is use a different Keychain depending on what Keyblade he is going to use, he just equips whatever Keychain on his Kingdom Key and it will transform into said Keyblade whether it be the Ultima Weapon, Oblivion, Oathkeeper, etc.

 

NUMBER 4!

 

Xehanort confusion.

 

There is a lot of confusion within the Kingdom Hearts community about the Xehanorts. Many believe that Young Xehanort is a younger version of Terranort or Terra-Xehanort. This is not true however. Terranort is just a body that Master Xehanort used to manifest his heart as and give him the mind and memories of Master Xehanort. So the spectrum goes: Young Xehanort > Master Xehanort > Terranort > Apprentice Xehanort. Young Xehanort is Master Xehanort in his teenage years and was given the ability to Time Travel by Ansem Seeker of Darkness.

 

NUMBER 3!

 

Sora is NOT Aqua's successor.

 

Sora isn't Aqua's successor. Many believe that Aqua bestowed the inheritance ceremony when she met him and Riku on Destiny Island. This is not the case, Kairi is actually Aqua's successor as she accidentally performed the inheritance ceremony when touching Aqua's Keyblade in Radiant Garden. Whereas Riku is Terra's successor as Terra thought that Riku would be a worthy successor and deliberately performed the ceremony on Riku. Aqua senses that Terra has already performed the inheritance ceremony on Riku and states "One Keyblade is enough for any friendship." As she had planned to do the ceremony on Sora.

 

NUMBER 2!

 

Xion, A Nobody or a Puppet?

 

Xion is infact a Puppet, she is not by any manor of means a Nobody nor is she her own person. Xion was made by Vexen at Castle Oblivion to replicate that of Roxas and Sora's memories and powers, this is why near the end of Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, Roxas starts to lose power and abilities whereas Xion gains them. This also explains why she takes the form of Sora at the end of the game.

 

NUMBER 1!

 

Nobodies can't wield Keyblades.

 

It is thought that in order to wield a Keyblade, one must have a heart and a strong one at that. Nobodies are born without hearts but it has been shown that over time, Nobodies do grow hearts, thus shown by Roxas. Roxas and Xion can wield from the get-go however because they both harbor a part of Sora, a Keyblade wielder. However Axel or Lea is a Prime example of this coming into play. Axel as a nobody had no heart wielded Chakrams but as 358/2 Days progressed, he developed emotions along with Roxas, this in turn allowed him to grow a heart, he was then "Killed" and had his heart sent back to his original body of Lea. SPOILERS FOR DREAM DROP DISTANCE UP AHEAD!

Lea then, with his fully grown heart, materialized a Keyblade in his hand in front of Sora, Mickey, Riku, Donald, Goofy and Master Yen Sid in the Mysterious Tower where he explains he wants to become a Keyblade master and go through the Mark of Mastery Exam. This leads me to believe that He and Kairi will go together in a Mark of Mastery Exam for a small portion of Kingdom Hearts III. This is Lea's Keyblade:  

 

I hope you guys enjoyed this. It took me quite a while to make.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Lingering Will isn't Terra's soul- it's his thoughts in his armor . Fact . Just sayin'

 

The Kingdom Hearts in BBS was incomplete btw. The one in KH2 was made of peoples hearts .The one in KH1 was made of the hearts of the world's.

Edited July 16, 2014 by Flaming Lea

[LeYenrz 276]

I don't exactly agree with your #1 misconception. Well, specifically i don't agree with the supporting evidence you give me. Lea isn't a prime example of how Nobodies can't wield keyblades. And not to mention that your misconception is proved wrong by the fact that Roxas can wield a keyblade. Nobodies remain nobodies despite the fact that they can grow hearts. And even if they are in possession of a heart, they are still considered the species that they are; a nobody. In fact, I believe that the majority of Organization already had a heart. So does that mean they can have keyblades? 

 

And not to mention the reason i disagree with your presentation of Lea as evidence for that statement, Without Yen Sid's power, Lea would have never been able to wield a keyblade anyways. It's been stated hat Lea went through compressed training with the aid of magic. And Nomura Logic. Nonetheless, if he already had the ability to wield a keyblade, wouldn't he have been able to wield one the moment he became a human? Well in DDD you clearly see Lea with Chakrams in the first half of the game.

[Wateraptor 37]

Lingering Will isn't Terra's soul- it's his thoughts in his armor . Fact . Just sayin'

 

The Kingdom Hearts in BBS was incomplete btw. The one in KH2 was made of peoples hearts .The one in KH1 was made of the hearts of the world's.

Is the one we've seen in KH1 Kingdom Hearts?? Wasn't it the door to the realm of darkness?

[AuraAce 1,126]

Is the one we've seen in KH1 Kingdom Hearts?? Wasn't it the door to the realm of darkness?

Yes that is also one I forgot to mention, that is also Kingdom Hearts, locked away in the Realm of Darkness, like in the Ancient Lore. Thank you for telling me about that. I had completely forgotten about it.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Is the one we've seen in KH1 Kingdom Hearts?? Wasn't it the door to the realm of darkness?

 

I think originally it was meant to be bc the first KH was designed to be a standalone- but it's success lead to sequels. Then it was later stated it was manufactured by the hearts of the worlds .

I don't exactly agree with your #1 misconception. Well, specifically i don't agree with the supporting evidence you give me. Lea isn't a prime example of how Nobodies can't wield keyblades. And not to mention that your misconception is proved wrong by the fact that Roxas can wield a keyblade. Nobodies remain nobodies despite the fact that they can grow hearts. And even if they are in possession of a heart, they are still considered the species that they are; a nobody. In fact, I believe that the majority of Organization already had a heart. So does that mean they can have keyblades? 

 

And not to mention the reason i disagree with your presentation of Lea as evidence for that statement, Without Yen Sid's power, Lea would have never been able to wield a keyblade anyways. It's been stated hat Lea went through compressed training with the aid of magic. And Nomura Logic. Nonetheless, if he already had the ability to wield a keyblade, wouldn't he have been able to wield one the moment he became a human? Well in DDD you clearly see Lea with Chakrams in the first half of the game.

 

It was implied in interviews Yen Sid gave him the ceremony after he came looking for one . Then a keyblade had to choose him 

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Yes that is also one I forgot to mention, that is also Kingdom Hearts, locked away in the Realm of Darkness, like in the Ancient Lore. Thank you for telling me about that. I had completely forgotten about it.

 

This isn't true . It has been stated to be manufactured . Look it up in the memoirs in DDD. The true Kingdom hearts already exists and just needs summoned - not created by scratch like the KH1 one which was created by collecting world hearts.

[atheist123 583]

For the "Nobodies can't wield Keyblades" entry I believe that as a general rule they can't.

 

Roxas can only wield because he has the majority of Ventus' heart ( in interviews, Nomura implies that Sora's body still had Ventus' heart in it... somehow I don't think that one Heartless can have two hearts so this seems more likely).

 

As you said, Xion isn't a Nobody. She is a Replica who syphons Sora's powers and memories through Roxas, which lets her wield Sora's Keyblade. When she fuses with Roxas, she gives the ability to wield Sora's keyblade to Roxas.

 

Xion and Roxas might be able to wield when they are reborn because, as you said, they can grow hearts. But during Days Roxas can only wield because of Ventus' heart and Xion can only wield because of her stealing Sora's powers and memories. Roxas can dual wield at the end of Days because he gains the ability to wield Sora's keyblade when he absorbs Xion.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

For the "Nobodies can't wield Keyblades" entry I believe that as a general rule they can't.

 

Roxas can only wield because he has the majority of Ventus' heart ( in interviews, Nomura implies that Sora's body still had Ventus' heart in it... somehow I don't think that one Heartless can have two hearts so this seems more likely).

 

As you said, Xion isn't a Nobody. She is a Replica who syphons Sora's powers and memories through Roxas, which lets her wield Sora's Keyblade. When she fuses with Roxas, she gives the ability to wield Sora's keyblade to Roxas.

 

Xion and Roxas might be able to wield when they are reborn because, as you said, they can grow hearts. But during Days Roxas can only wield because of Ventus' heart and Xion can only wield because of her stealing Sora's powers and memories. Roxas can dual wield at the end of Days because he gains the ability to wield Sora's keyblade when he absorbs Xion.

 

  Xemnas has been said to possibly be able to use the keyblade but chose not to. However both he and Roxas are special nobodies .

 

Xion doesn't use Sora's keyblade - hers is a replica as stated in game and by Nomura . She uses Sora's power and her and Roxas share that . As for roxas he harbored Ven's heart bc he WAS Sora's physical body. Thats what Nomura meant .

 

Why does Xion become able to use the Keyblade again on day 96?

Nomura: This was less due to her doing missions together with Roxas every day, and more due to using his Keyblade. She was able to once again copy his power. At this moment, the two of them were perfectly in balance.

 

 Roxas, the "Sora + Ventus" Nobody, was able to use a Keyblade. In contrast Xemnas, the "Terra + Master Xehanort" Nobody, wasn't able to use a Keyblade. Why is this?

Nomura: I'd rather that point remain a mystery. It's possible that he intentionally wasn't using one.

 

Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?

A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus.

 

Q2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297?

 

A: Because he had gotten to close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Room of Awakening. Both Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas’ “real selves”, and when he felt their presence it made him faint.

 

Q3 is basically the same question as 1 confirming Roxas has Ven's heart

 

Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?

 

A: Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’ keyblades. Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus’ as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once
Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield.

 

3: What is the true form of Lingering Sentiment?

A: After Terra lost his body, his thoughts gathered into his armor. At the end of Terra’s scenario, Master Xehanort had commandeered his body, so his thoughts took control of his armor. Afterward, the armor stayed in the keyblade graveyard, until KHII FM where “Lingering Sentiment” went against Sora. Because he saw that it was not his chosen one Riku using a keyblade, but Sora, he grew suspicious and thought he had something to do with Master Xehanort and attacked him.

 

- In the end Roxas is able use two keyblades. Is this because he now has Xion’s?

Nomura: Well, it isn’t that Roxas has physically inherited Xion’s keyblade, but more that Xion has awakened it within Roxas. In the KH series there are a lot of complex reasons why someone can use a keyblade, but basically you need a “heart” to be able to wield one. So strictly speaking, they are being influenced by Sora. At the present I can’t say more than that, since it would go into whether or not Roxas has a heart. And there is also a part that has to do with Xehanort’s memories. This time there were connections to the Kingdom Hearts I secret movie, and the time will come when this will have a clear connection as well. You’ll just have to ask me then

 

Nomura: Riku only realizes it when Roxas takes off his hood and he can see his face, and he responds to his call. Until then he only half believed. When he first met Xion, he didn’t think that she was Sora or Kairi’s Nobody, and it was the same with Roxas. When he first saw Roxas, he had no proof of who he was. So that’s why he lost to Roxas, he was surprised at him using a real keyblade rather than an imitation like Xion's, and he called out to him. Part of Riku didn’t really want to believe that his best friend really had a Nobody.

[Jack Sparrow 160]

Misconception?, or misinterpretation? That is the question. Am I not right? Said misconceptions could be misinterpretations for all we know? All I know is that Sora wields that giant key of his, and I want it. The rest becomes a blur, quite honestly.  

[Philip Ellwell 5,487]

Lingering Will isn't Terra's soul- it's his thoughts in his armor . Fact . Just sayin'

 

The Kingdom Hearts in BBS was incomplete btw. The one in KH2 was made of peoples hearts .The one in KH1 was made of the hearts of the world's.

This woman needs to write a book already. 

EVERYTHING IN THE Kingdom Hearts SERIES SINCE FREAKING EVER By Lea 

[atheist123 583]

  Xemnas has been said to possibly be able to use the keyblade but chose not to. However both he and Roxas are special nobodies .

 

Yeah, my original post wasn't clear. I was saying that it made sense for Roxas to have Ventus' heart since a Heartless can't have two hearts (that we know of) so the heart must have stayed in Sora's body... just not in a very concise way.

 

Okay, I think that clarifies it. Xion only awakened Roxas' ability to use Sora's keyblade... somehow. Sora, Xion, and Roxas truly are exceptions since Sora coexisted with his Nobody (which hasn't happened before). I guess this can all be explained by the "connections between hearts" motif. Roxas, Xion, and Data Sora can wield copies of Sora's keyblade through Sora still physically existing. When Xion was stealing Sora's memories and powers (through the connection between Roxas and Sora) her own heart made a connection with Sora which allowed her to use a copy of his Keyblade too.

 

Xemnas probably can wield a Keyblade due to Terra's heart being inside him, but he might not be able to dual wield since his somebody doesn't exist at the same time, so the connection between Xehanort and Xemnas might be severed (unless time travelling allows hearts to stay in contact).

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Yeah, my original post wasn't clear. I was saying that it made sense for Roxas to have Ventus' heart since a Heartless can't have two hearts (that we know of) so the heart must have stayed in Sora's body... just not in a very concise way.

 

Okay, I think that clarifies it. Xion only awakened Roxas' ability to use Sora's keyblade... somehow. Sora, Xion, and Roxas truly are exceptions since Sora coexisted with his Nobody (which hasn't happened before). I guess this can all be explained by the "connections between hearts" motif. Roxas, Xion, and Data Sora can wield copies of Sora's keyblade through Sora still physically existing. When Xion was stealing Sora's memories and powers (through the connection between Roxas and Sora) her own heart made a connection with Sora which allowed her to use a copy of his Keyblade too.

 

Xemnas probably can wield a Keyblade due to Terra's heart being inside him, but he might not be able to dual wield since his somebody doesn't exist at the same time, so the connection between Xehanort and Xemnas might be severed (unless time travelling allows hearts to stay in contact).

 Well for Data Sora :

 

Data Sora can newly obtain a legitimate Keyblade during his adventure, but are there changes to the real Keyblade when that happens?

 

Nomura: No, it’s a data version the entire time. However like with the first Keyblade, it wasn’t created by someone else. It comes from the heart’s connections with the data, hinting towards the story theme, “Can a heart be born in an existence made of data?”

 

As for Xemnas though - he was made by both Terra and MX just like Ansem is made from both bc their hearts were merged whereas Sora's heart wasn't merged with Ven's - but acted more like a resting spot and container . So although special like Roxas- they are special in different ways . So technically depending on how Nomura wants to do this- maybe it's possible for Xemnas to dual wield . But if he's suppressing Terra's heart he might not be able to. Nomura logic I guess. . This has never been clarified yet .Maybe more in KH3?

[atheist123 583]

As for Xemnas though - he was made by both Terra and MX just like Ansem is made from both bc their hearts were merged whereas Sora's heart wasn't merged with Ven's - but acted more like a resting spot and container . So although special like Roxas- they are special in different ways . So technically depending on how Nomura wants to do this- maybe it's possible for Xemnas to dual wield . But if he's suppressing Terra's heart he might not be able to. Nomura logic I guess. . This has never been clarified yet .Maybe more in KH3?

 

I guess that makes sense. If that's the case, then I don't think that Xemnas could wield, since both of their hearts would have gone to Ansem Seeker of Darkness. Xemnas has some of Terra and Xehanort's memories but maybe neither's heart.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I guess that makes sense. If that's the case, then I don't think that Xemnas could wield, since both of their hearts would have gone to Ansem Seeker of Darkness. Xemnas has some of Terra and Xehanort's memories but maybe neither's heart.

 

Unless, dun dun dun , Xemnas grew a new heart overtime and Nomura could use that which is why he leaves this open-ended .  I also need to mention the Eraqus wildcard since he was inside of Terra too!

Edited July 17, 2014 by Flaming Lea

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

This was a pretty fun read!  You know, this is a great guide for newcomers to the series, or for us fans whose memory is foggy regarding key points of the series.  This was excellently done, plus I whistled along to the 13th struggle.  A thread well done! ^^

[LeYenrz 276]

I think originally it was meant to be bc the first KH was designed to be a standalone- but it's success lead to sequels. Then it was later stated it was manufactured by the hearts of the worlds .

 

It was implied in interviews Yen Sid gave him the ceremony after he came looking for one . Then a keyblade had to choose him 

ah. sorry. i had forgotten that detail for a moment. But there is one question i feel i should ask.

 

Is it even possible to obtain the keyblade without going through the damn ceremony? (although there is the exception of Sora as always)

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

ah. sorry. i had forgotten that detail for a moment. But there is one question i feel i should ask.

 

Is it even possible to obtain the keyblade without going through the damn ceremony? (although there is the exception of Sora as always)

 Well Nomura said Sora was the only exception.

[LeYenrz 276]

 Well Nomura said Sora was the only exception.

Well i know that, but it sorta bemuses me as to why people dont really forge their own keyblades like they did before the Keyblade war era. And not to mention, the ceremony is a little silly in my mind. Because it basically is touching a keyblade and then BAM you're going to get the keyblade one day. Yes, i know it only works if you have a strong heart and such, but have we ever seen someone touch the keyblade and not get one?....but come to think of it, not many people touch the keyblade for some reason...

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Well i know that, but it sorta bemuses me as to why people dont really forge their own keyblades like they did before the Keyblade war era. And not to mention, the ceremony is a little silly in my mind. Because it basically is touching a keyblade and then BAM you're going to get the keyblade one day. Yes, i know it only works if you have a strong heart and such, but have we ever seen someone touch the keyblade and not get one?....but come to think of it, not many people touch the keyblade for some reason...

 

Well I imagine the first wielder/weilders might not have bc it had to start somewhere?? But with Nomura logic if it's not pertinent to the current plot it's not always expounded on . To answer your question Leon and Captain Jack .

Edited July 17, 2014 by Flaming Lea

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Yeah, my original post wasn't clear. I was saying that it made sense for Roxas to have Ventus' heart since a Heartless can't have two hearts (that we know of) so the heart must have stayed in Sora's body... just not in a very concise way.

 

Okay, I think that clarifies it. Xion only awakened Roxas' ability to use Sora's keyblade... somehow. Sora, Xion, and Roxas truly are exceptions since Sora coexisted with his Nobody (which hasn't happened before). I guess this can all be explained by the "connections between hearts" motif. Roxas, Xion, and Data Sora can wield copies of Sora's keyblade through Sora still physically existing. When Xion was stealing Sora's memories and powers (through the connection between Roxas and Sora) her own heart made a connection with Sora which allowed her to use a copy of his Keyblade too.

 

Xemnas probably can wield a Keyblade due to Terra's heart being inside him, but he might not be able to dual wield since his somebody doesn't exist at the same time, so the connection between Xehanort and Xemnas might be severed (unless time travelling allows hearts to stay in contact).

Roxas was using Sora's keyblade from the very beginning absorbing Xion awakened his ability to use Ven's Keyblade.

 

Also although confusing I will explain the issue of Sora's keyblade being in multiple places. First and foremost Xion's Keyblade was a fake but through siphoning power from Roxas it was able to function as a real one would. The idea was if Roxas and Xion could be kept in perfect sync the Xemnas would keep both them and double the harvesting speed to complete Kingdom Hearts. However as Xion began to claim Sora's memories as her own she also began to take to much power from Roxas in which Xemnas decided that he would have one absorb the other leaving the complete power of Sora in one vessel. Now Sora and Roxas were actually the only two using Sora's keyblade. They were both simultaneously using it's power which is why Sora was considered only at half power.

 

Data Sora was also not using a real keyblade as you already know but it is implied that the Data Sora might have grown a heart creating the data keyblade based on his hearts connections.

This is a Top 10 list which I was given the idea to make by Oishii. This list will go over some of the Common misconceptions that are in and around the Kingdom Hearts Universe. These misconceptions aren't exactly on a higher or lower ground than one another, they are all equal, it's just a random ordering scheme.

 

LET'S GET ON WITH THE LIST!

Play this so it's not in silence  

 

NUMBER 10!

 

 

 

NUMBER 9!

 

Have we seen the Real Kingdom Hearts?

 

Many believe that we have seen the real Kingdom Hearts on numerous occasions which is not the case. We have only seen the true Kingdom Hearts once which was in Birth By Sleep. On the other occasions we seen it, It had a Yellow tone of color to it, that is because it was made up of the Hearts of People and it is synthetic (Meaning man-made) however the Birth By Sleep Kingdom Hearts is a Blue tone of color as it is made by the Hearts of the Worlds and is also unlocked by the Assemblage of the X-Blade

We have never seen the real Kingdom Hearts all the ones we have seen were manufactured or remained incomplete. The Kingdom Hearts we see was made by gathering the hearts of all worlds in the Realm of Darkness. The one in KHII was created by the hearts of people. Finally although BBS was the closet thing to the real Kingdom Hearts it is also incomplete due to the formula for the X-Blade being incomplete.

 

 

Do you actually die in the Kingdom Hearts Universe?

 

There is a way to die in Kingdom Hearts and neither of them is when forming the beings of Heartless or Nobodies, they are just bi-products of ones being. With Heartless, that happens when someone loses their heart to the darkness and a Nobody is when someone loses their body, with their heart and soul still in tact. The way to kill someone in Kingdom Hearts is to destroy their soul completely or is removed entirely from their body. However the soul can live on and replace itself, this is shown as an example by Terra's Lingering Will in Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix.

You as kill somebody by simply just stabbing them in the back lol. It's nowhere near as complicated targeting and destroying the soul( which has never even been implied possible). The soul merely gives life force to the body; if the heart is still intact one could still exist even without their body and soul. Killing someone and splitting them into Heartless and Nobodies are two different things. People just like to complain because no one dies which is moot because there have been plenty of people have died.

Roxas is not Ventus and Ventus is not Roxas.

 

Roxas is not Ventus and vice-versa. At first, Roxas was thought to be the nobody of Ventus although that isn't the case as we know now. Roxas is the nobody of Sora however he has a part of Sora and Ventus inside of him, that is why he is given the appearance of Ventus and is able to Dual Wield. Roxas is able to Dual Wield because he has Sora's heart which allows use of the Kingdom Key and Ventus' heart which allows use of the Wayward Wind, this in turn allows him to Dual Wield (Without Drive). He has shown to do it more fluently and effectively than Sora.

Roxas did not have Sora's heart inside of him he had Ven's heart. Prior to Sora splitting himself into Heartless and Nobody he was harboring the fractured and sleeping heart of Ventus. When Sora became a Heartless Ven's heart stayed with his body as it could not survive without a container. When Sora's body was reborn as Roxas Ven's heart influenced the shape of his body. This is why Roxas look like Ven but has his own personality. During Roxas's entire existence he was in fact using Sora's keyblade granted by his status as Sora's Nobody. Upon absorbing Xion the emotional trauma most likely triggered an awakening of Ven's heart thus awakening Roxa's latent ability to dual wield.

Nobodies can't wield Keyblades.

 

It is thought that in order to wield a Keyblade, one must have a heart and a strong one at that. Nobodies are born without hearts but it has been shown that over time, Nobodies do grow hearts, thus shown by Roxas. Roxas and Xion can wield from the get-go however because they both harbor a part of Sora, a Keyblade wielder. However Axel or Lea is a Prime example of this coming into play. Axel as a nobody had no heart wielded Chakrams but as 358/2 Days progressed, he developed emotions along with Roxas, this in turn allowed him to grow a heart, he was then "Killed" and had his heart sent back to his original body of Lea. SPOILERS FOR DREAM DROP DISTANCE UP AHEAD!

Nobodies can only wield keyblade if their Somebodies had the ability to. People forget that Nobodies have access to all the abilities that they had access to as a completed person. This is why Xemnas is the most powerful character in the entire series because he had unrestricted access to the complete power and abilities of both Master Xehanort and Terra. This is also how Roxas was able to use Sora's Keyblade during his entire existence (Xemnas chose not to use one).

[Neptune Vasilias 340]

Ok but where does it say Lea's Keyblade's name as Eternal Flame? What interview did Nomura name the blade?

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Well i know that, but it sorta bemuses me as to why people dont really forge their own keyblades like they did before the Keyblade war era. And not to mention, the ceremony is a little silly in my mind. Because it basically is touching a keyblade and then BAM you're going to get the keyblade one day. Yes, i know it only works if you have a strong heart and such, but have we ever seen someone touch the keyblade and not get one?....but come to think of it, not many people touch the keyblade for some reason...

It's possible that the method of forging a Keyblade was lost when the worlds were swallowed by darkness at the end of the last Keyblade War. As we don't know how they where made in the first place it may not have anything to do with metal, a smith or a forge but something far more abstract and difficult.

 

My personal theory is that Keyblades are a physical representation of the strength of a wielders heart and therefor cannot be created with physical materials but rather only through training ones heart. Again this method of heart strengthening could have been lost at the end of the Keyblade War.

 

Captain Jack Sparrow and Leon both held Sora's Keyblade and have yet to receive their own, so there's that.

 

A couple things about that topicFirst, a Nobody is the body and soul of a person, not the heart and soul.

Second, Aren't Replicas just artificial Nobodies? So couldn't Xion and Riku Replica, along with Xemnas, Roxas and Namine just be called Nobodies and then have Special Nobodies and Replicas just by Sub Categories of Nobodies?

Edited July 18, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno

[atheist123 583]

Unless, dun dun dun , Xemnas grew a new heart overtime and Nomura could use that which is why he leaves this open-ended .  I also need to mention the Eraqus wildcard since he was inside of Terra too!

 

Xemnas probably has part of Xehanort's heart... Either from a time travelling Ansem Seeker of Darkness, or Young Master Xehanort, or in the current timeline (when he time-travelled to the present to witness the 13th Darkness being formed and/or to troll Sora).

 

Xemnas would probably need to have some part of Xehanort's heart so that he could convert others into being Norts. We don't know if he has actually done that before, but we can assume he has, unless Apprentice Xehanort did it to Isa while he was still a Somebody... Long story short, I think all 13 Darknesses will use Keyblades in KH3 or at least be able to.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Xemnas probably has part of Xehanort's heart... Either from a time travelling Ansem Seeker of Darkness, or Young Master Xehanort, or in the current timeline (when he time-travelled to the present to witness the 13th Darkness being formed and/or to troll Sora).

 

Xemnas would probably need to have some part of Xehanort's heart so that he could convert others into being Norts. We don't know if he has actually done that before, but we can assume he has, unless Apprentice Xehanort did it to Isa while he was still a Somebody... Long story short, I think all 13 Darknesses will use Keyblades in KH3 or at least be able to.

 

Xemnas growing a new heart would be part Xehanort since Xemnas is made from MX and Terra and since Xemnas was confirmed to be following Xehanorts plans that means Xehanort had control when Ansem and Xemnas were split. As for Isa , i strongly suspect he was norted when he was made a nobody- most likely during the experiments if Lea and him got caught sneaking in the castle yet again and we know they lost their hearts in the lab since they revived there ( Isa was suppose to too according to Lea)