Good guy Isa or Bad Guy Isa?

[atheist123 583]

 

They always had a plan - the two of them .This is also stated in game several times by both of them and is mentioned in the reports . We don't know exactly how Isa got norted but there is more evidence pointing to it be unwilling then there is to it being willing . He was an utter robot in DDD and we know MX can literally control his vessels . In Days it is states several times they were searching for what Xemnas was hiding so saying he was fully informed later just wasn't true . Saying that the plan was only a probably is grasping for straws considering it was also mentioned in game and in reports .

 

Day 28: Dealing with the Traitors Day 356: Unforeseen Events Author: Axel I've uncovered most of what I need to know about the Replica Program, but where's the other one? I can't find any trace of it. ... Vexen was caught in the middle. Pitiable, but unavoidable. I could not risk his Program falling into their hands. Of greater concern are the traitors. Not the obvious turncoats, but the ones who will get in his and my way. The Keyblade master is not our enemy.    

 

 

Day 356: Unforeseen Events Author: Saïx Our plans never accounted for the possibility of both Xion and Roxas leaving. How did this come to pass? When did Roxas grow strong enough to outmuscle me? What were you really after, Lea? We joined the Organization at the same time, and formulated our plan. At this point, it's just an idle fantasy. Everything changed. You, and me.

 

 

Yeah, that evidence is pre-KH3D. Post KH-3D (the newest canon), the cinematic scenes suggest that Saix knew about Xemnas' plans. I'm basing my assumptions off the newest version of KH 358/2 Days, not the older one. Axel definitely was planning to rebel but the way that Saix acted during the entire HD cutscenes seemed like, to me, that he was under the influence of Xehanort. As shown by Xigbar in KH3D, Norted people still have some individuality and personality, so we can't be certain if Saix was under the complete control of Xehanort or not. More likely the personalities of Xehanort and the vessel blend, as shown by Xemnas having some traits of Terra.

[Demyx. 10,064]

Yeah, that evidence is pre-KH3D. Post KH-3D (the newest canon), the cinematic scenes suggest that Saix knew about Xemnas' plans. I'm basing my assumptions off the newest version of KH 358/2 Days, not the older one. Axel definitely was planning to rebel but the way that Saix acted during the entire HD cutscenes seemed like, to me, that he was under the influence of Xehanort. As shown by Xigbar in KH3D, Norted people still have some individuality and personality, so we can't be certain if Saix was under the complete control of Xehanort or not. More likely the personalities of Xehanort and the vessel blend, as shown by Xemnas having some traits of Terra.

Im pretty sure those scenes suggest the opposite actually.

[atheist123 583]

Im pretty sure those scenes suggest the opposite actually.

 

Maybe. I watched it recently but my memory or perspective could be wrong. MAYBE I'M SECRETLY A XEHANORT VESSEL!!!

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Yeah, that evidence is pre-KH3D. Post KH-3D (the newest canon), the cinematic scenes suggest that Saix knew about Xemnas' plans. I'm basing my assumptions off the newest version of KH 358/2 Days, not the older one. Axel definitely was planning to rebel but the way that Saix acted during the entire HD cutscenes seemed like, to me, that he was under the influence of Xehanort. As shown by Xigbar in KH3D, Norted people still have some individuality and personality, so we can't be certain if Saix was under the complete control of Xehanort or not. More likely the personalities of Xehanort and the vessel blend, as shown by Xemnas having some traits of Terra.

 

I don't think those scenes in Days imply that at all. They both were planning the rebellion as stated by Nomura and Nomura = canon .He also used it is 'fact' in that same sentence you say is a probably. Their plan was a big deal in Days . Also in DDD it is stated how MX intends to control his vessels :

 

— What happens to the hearts of those who have had Master Xehanort’s heart planted within them?

Nomura: They’ll gradually be swallowed by it. As for Master Xehanort, he plans to control them completely. The planted parts of the heart are captured rather than disappear.

 

 

In my opinion -it seems like as more and more time went by ,  Saix's nortification and Axel regrowing his heart made the two of them think the other was changing - causing the rift and destruction of the friendship and then plan . It made it easier for Saix to further fall.

Edited July 16, 2014 by Flaming Lea

[atheist123 583]

I don't think those scenes in Days imply that at all. They both were planning the rebellion as stated by Nomura and Nomura = canon .He also used it is 'fact' in that same sentence you say is a probably. Their plan was a big deal in Days . Also in DDD it is stated how MX intends to control his vessels :

 

— What happens to the hearts of those who have had Master Xehanort’s heart planted within them?

Nomura: They’ll gradually be swallowed by it. As for Master Xehanort, he plans to control them completely. The planted parts of the heart are captured rather than disappear.

 

 

In my opinion -it seems like as more and more time went by ,  Saix's nortification and Axel regrowing his heart made the two of them think the other was changing - causing the rift and destruction of the friendship and then plan . It made it easier for Saix to further fall.

 

I agree... It's just that some of the dialogue seems strange on Saix's behalf. Like when Axel asks him if the orders came from Xemnas or not, and Saix acts strangely. Saix is a hard character to read in the HD Cutscenes as opposed to in Days (when you can't read any of his motives or emotions through his body language, due to the limited graphics).

 

I'm probably just reading too much into this, but in multiple instances Saix acts strangely and not how I imagined him while I was playing Days.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I agree... It's just that some of the dialogue seems strange on Saix's behalf. Like when Axel asks him if the orders came from Xemnas or not, and Saix acts strangely. Saix is a hard character to read in the HD Cutscenes as opposed to in Days (when you can't read any of his motives or emotions through his body language, due to the limited graphics).

 

I'm probably just reading too much into this, but in multiple instances Saix acts strangely and not how I imagined him while I was playing Days.

 

This is one of the plot points/storylines I look forward to finding out more info on in KH3 and look forward to the dramatic showdown

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

I think we can all agree that the series is inconsistent. Hopefully Nomura elaborates on how Saix was Norted. Did Xemnas put a piece of his heart into every member of Organisation 13? Or did only the most eager get Norted or the weakest willed? We can't be sure, but from all evidence it seems like during Days (post-3D retcons) that Saix was informed about most of Xemnas' plans, at least during the second half of Days. It's impossible to know if Saix actually planned on rebelling. In the only interview (July 2009) I could find about this topic (probably a bad translation, KH13's archive seems down atm) "Nomura" states:

 

 It is a fact that Saix and Axel probably wanted to take over the Organization, however they didn’t understand what they were going to do or how to do it. As for Xemnas, he knew about this betrayal, but never brought it up. Generally, one’s conduct was for the sake of their purpose.

 

Even back then he says that Axel and Saix only "probably" wanted to take over the Organisation... He didn't even fully know back then.

My educated guess would at the very least he used this method on Xigbar through Axel. It's possible he did so to Luxord and Demyx as well. Remember part if the Nortification process is that Xehanort's heart would eventually consume it's victim's heart. It makes sense for Siax to act the way he did in Days because that's hen Xehanort's influence was at it's peak growth. As for Xemnas he knew it would take time to see whether or the vessels in question could be deemed successful. He said nothing probably because he was waiting to see if Axel would take like Siax so clearly did. He was about to lay waste to two of his strongest candidates especially when one of them had already progressed so far.

[MyDixieRect 2,061]

I hope he stays with the Norts and I hope he dies and Lea's the one to kill him. The series needs more of that.

[Marco Basile 47]

So in the end? Do you think that Isa will stay on that dark side or will he help Sora and/or Lea defeating Xehanort?

Guess he'll stay on the Dark Side, he's been Norted.

[Gamerazor247 877]

We should make Lea a wise cracking douche, yea =D

[Keyblade Master Xoncron 499]

My guess is Isa is still going to be Xehanort's alli.