Good guy Isa or Bad Guy Isa?

[Connected 978]

So in the end? Do you think that Isa will stay on that dark side or will he help Sora and/or Lea defeating Xehanort?

[Sora96 17,256]

He's a bad guy...

[Zanzetsuken 66]

Considering he has been Nortified, I'm guessing we will have a battle between him and Axel sometime. As much as I'd like to have Saix coming to his former senses by the final battle, I'm pretty sure he will be a boss and we'll get a sobby death scene maybe. 

[President Yoshi 313]

i dont really care much about saix/isa, but i think he'd just stay as the enemy. whether or not he's evil or good is another thing

[SmashLegendRiku 97]

Well Isa is a part of Xehanort's 13 darkness, so I'm 99% sure he's going to stay evil. That's a-okay with me, because I never really liked his Somebody tbh.

[AuraAce 1,126]

Nortified

Someone please add this word to the dictionary

[Deadpool 1,200]

Can we please just have someone be evil and stay evil and whatnot? It just seems way too predictable and KH-y for him to suddenly "come to his senses" or whatever. He's obviously changed and acting for his own ambitions or at least willingly for someone else. I hope it stays that way.

[Nick Sideris 1,551]

Uh , he will probably follow Xehanort's plans .

[Master Keeper 687]

If they want to make a good ending for everyone, then they should make him help the Guardians of Light.

[Isaix 924]

I'm pretty sure Lea or someone else will find a way to save him,just like Terra will probably be save

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

I'm pretty sure Lea or someone else will find a way to save him,just like Terra will probably be save

Exactly if they can't save Isa at the very least then it would make zero sense for any of the others Terra included.

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

Considering how heartless(har har har) Isa has become, I seriously doubt he'll end up betraying Xehanort. It'll be so sad when Lea fights him.

[Morrisone 11]

I think Lea will bring him back... He made a promise, right? 

[sagman12PC 280]

He's going to be a bad guy. All his connections to Lea are gone by the end of KH2 because Lea's primary friends are Roxas and Xion. So yeah hes gonna be a bad guy all the way

[FluffDictator 37]

I persnally don't care.. doubtful but its possible maybe Xehanort will kill Lea then Isa will attack Xehanort.. and Sora will fight alongside Isa to defeat him.. Idk... I cant see him being good though..

[Isa and Lea fanattic 1]

I doubt that Isa will join the light, he's just too fargone, but I REALLY hope that he does. I just can't take seeing two best friends fight against each other. Hopefully, Isa will see the light and help Lea in KH3, AND MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, we'll find out what happened between them if they DO end up fighting or making up.

[LeYenrz 276]

there will probably be a battle between Isa and Lea and then Isa will either die or will come to his senses, but he will probably not play a part in the final battle.

 

but for themajority of the game i believe he'll remain nortified. 

[atheist123 583]

Exactly if they can't save Isa at the very least then it would make zero sense for any of the others Terra included.

 

Except, Saix/Isa was at least slightly willing to be Nortified. Terra had no say in the matter. Terra should be easier to save than Isa because at least Terra wants to be saved.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Except, Saix/Isa was at least slightly willing to be Nortified. Terra had no say in the matter. Terra should be easier to save than Isa because at least Terra wants to be saved.

 

The fact that Lea and Isa were planning to rebel against Xemnas indicates he wasn't quite a willing nort. They both also suspected Xemnas was up to something but didn't know what . They were also trying to find out what Xemnas was hiding . If Isa/Saix was willingly norted he wouldn't have been rebelling and would've known what Xemnas was up to . Just sayin'

[atheist123 583]

The fact that Lea and Isa were planning to rebel against Xemnas indicates he wasn't quite a willing nort. They both also suspected Xemnas was up to something but didn't know what . They were also trying to find out what Xemnas was hiding . If Isa/Saix was willingly norted he wouldn't have been rebelling and would've known what Xemnas was up to . Just sayin'

 

We don't really know Saix's motivations for what he did or said in 358/2 Days. He had Yellow Eyes/Pointed Ears at this point, so he was at least partially Norted. It is possible that Saix was only saying that he didn't know Xemnas' agenda, so that Axel would do all the dirty work for Xemnas. Maybe during the start of Days he wasn't aware of Xemnas' plan but by the end he was Norted enough that Xemnas trusted him fully.

 

This scene from the HD 1.5 ReMIX of 358/2 Days is interesting as it shows Xemnas, Xigbar, and Saix talking about "vessels" which could mean that they were all aware of the true purpose of Organisation 13 at this point. 

 

http://kh13.com/videos/kingdom-hearts-hd-1-5-remix/eng-cut/401-day-322-the-program/

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

We don't really know Saix's motivations for what he did or said in 358/2 Days. He had Yellow Eyes/Pointed Ears at this point, so he was at least partially Norted. It is possible that Saix was only saying that he didn't know Xemnas' agenda, so that Axel would do all the dirty work for Xemnas. Maybe during the start of Days he wasn't aware of Xemnas' plan but by the end he was Norted enough that Xemnas trusted him fully. This scene from the HD 1.5 ReMIX of 358/2 Days is interesting as it shows Xemnas, Xigbar, and Saix talking about "vessels" which could mean that they were all aware of the true purpose of Organisation 13 at this point.  http://kh13.com/videos/kingdom-hearts-hd-1-5-remix/eng-cut/401-day-322-the-program/

Considering the plot was changed drastically after the introduction of KH3D and Nomura admits to writing the plot game by game it seems more likely that they were referring to only needing one vessel to house Sora's power. Even if he was referring to his plans to cultivate another Xehanort why would he only need one. Makes little sense to only keep one when he just sent half of his numbers to CO to be eliminated.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

We don't really know Saix's motivations for what he did or said in 358/2 Days. He had Yellow Eyes/Pointed Ears at this point, so he was at least partially Norted. It is possible that Saix was only saying that he didn't know Xemnas' agenda, so that Axel would do all the dirty work for Xemnas. Maybe during the start of Days he wasn't aware of Xemnas' plan but by the end he was Norted enough that Xemnas trusted him fully.

 

This scene from the HD 1.5 ReMIX of 358/2 Days is interesting as it shows Xemnas, Xigbar, and Saix talking about "vessels" which could mean that they were all aware of the true purpose of Organisation 13 at this point. 

 

http://kh13.com/videos/kingdom-hearts-hd-1-5-remix/eng-cut/401-day-322-the-program/

 

Nomura himself has said that both Axel and Saix were trying to find out what Xemnas was hiding and both were planning a rebellion bc they didn't believe he was really helping them get their hearts back .. He also said Xemnas knew this but just didn't care - prolly bc he knew he had norted Saix and had things under control . Yes he was already norted  but that doesn't mean it was voluntary or that he knew .Xemnas lied to all the org members except for Xigbar and even Xigbar had questions .

Considering the plot was changed drastically after the introduction of KH3D and Nomura admits to writing the plot game by game it seems more likely that they were referring to only needing one vessel to house Sora's power. Even if he was referring to his plans to cultivate another Xehanort why would he only need one. Makes little sense to only keep one when he just sent half of his numbers to CO to be eliminated.

 Exactly . This stuff wasn't even thought of at the time .DDD was thought of last minute - stated by Nomura himself .

 

 Speaking of the previous titles, about when do you start thinking of the ‘next title’?

Nomura: It’s a gradual process. When Kingdom Hearts was in production, I was considering ideas for Kingdom Hearts II and Chain of Memories. And when those two were in production, I was thinking of ideas for the next three, 358/2 Days, Coded, and Birth by Sleep.

— Were you thinking of KH3D when those 3 titles were in production?

Nomura: KH3D was put together relatively quickly, I was still concepting the story when I brought it to the table.

Edited July 16, 2014 by Flaming Lea

[Shulk 8,623]

I hope he stays with Xehanort. I need to get payback for him being a jerk to my two favorite characters.

[atheist123 583]

Considering the plot was changed drastically after the introduction of KH3D and Nomura admits to writing the plot game by game it seems more likely that they were referring to only needing one vessel to house Sora's power. Even if he was referring to his plans to cultivate another Xehanort why would he only need one. Makes little sense to only keep one when he just sent half of his numbers to CO to be eliminated.

 

Nomura himself has said that both Axel and Saix were trying to find out what Xemnas was hiding and both were planning a rebellion bc they didn't believe he was really helping them get their hearts back .. He also said Xemnas knew this but just didn't care - prolly bc he knew he had norted Saix and had things under control . Yes he was already norted  but that doesn't mean it was voluntary or that he knew .Xemnas lied to all the org members except for Xigbar and even Xigbar had questions .

 Exactly . This stuff wasn't even thought of at the time .DDD was thought of last minute - stated by Nomura himself .

 

I think we can all agree that the series is inconsistent. Hopefully Nomura elaborates on how Saix was Norted. Did Xemnas put a piece of his heart into every member of Organisation 13? Or did only the most eager get Norted or the weakest willed? We can't be sure, but from all evidence it seems like during Days (post-3D retcons) that Saix was informed about most of Xemnas' plans, at least during the second half of Days. It's impossible to know if Saix actually planned on rebelling. In the only interview (July 2009) I could find about this topic (probably a bad translation, KH13's archive seems down atm) "Nomura" states:

 

 It is a fact that Saix and Axel probably wanted to take over the Organization, however they didn’t understand what they were going to do or how to do it. As for Xemnas, he knew about this betrayal, but never brought it up. Generally, one’s conduct was for the sake of their purpose.

 

Even back then he says that Axel and Saix only "probably" wanted to take over the Organisation... He didn't even fully know back then.

Edited July 16, 2014 by atheist123

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I think we can all agree that the series is inconsistent. Hopefully Nomura elaborates on how Saix was Norted. Did Xemnas put a piece of his heart into every member of Organisation 13? Or did only the most eager get Norted or the weakest willed? We can't be sure, but from all evidence it seems like during Days (post-3D retcons) that Saix was informed about most of Xemnas' plans, at least during the second half of Days. It's impossible to know if Saix actually planned on rebelling. In the only interview (July 2009) I could find about this topic (probably a bad translation, KH13's archive seems down atm) "Nomura" states:

 

 It is a fact that Saix and Axel probably wanted to take over the Organization, however they didn’t understand what they were going to do or how to do it. As for Xemnas, he knew about this betrayal, but never brought it up. Generally, one’s conduct was for the sake of their purpose.

 

Even back then he says that Axel and Saix only "probably" wanted to take over the Organisation... He didn't even fully know back then.

 

 

They always had a plan - the two of them .This is also stated in game several times by both of them and is mentioned in the reports . We don't know exactly how Isa got norted but there is more evidence pointing to it be unwilling then there is to it being willing . He was an utter robot in DDD and we know MX can literally control his vessels . In Days it is states several times they were searching for what Xemnas was hiding so saying he was fully informed later just wasn't true . Saying that the plan was only a probably is grasping for straws considering it was also mentioned in game and in reports .He also said it was 'fact" in the same sentence .

 

Day 28: Dealing with the Traitors Day 356: Unforeseen Events Author: Axel I've uncovered most of what I need to know about the Replica Program, but where's the other one? I can't find any trace of it. ... Vexen was caught in the middle. Pitiable, but unavoidable. I could not risk his Program falling into their hands. Of greater concern are the traitors. Not the obvious turncoats, but the ones who will get in his and my way. The Keyblade master is not our enemy.    

 

 

Day 356: Unforeseen Events Author: Saïx Our plans never accounted for the possibility of both Xion and Roxas leaving. How did this come to pass? When did Roxas grow strong enough to outmuscle me? What were you really after, Lea? We joined the Organization at the same time, and formulated our plan. At this point, it's just an idle fantasy. Everything changed. You, and me.

Edited July 16, 2014 by Flaming Lea