I UNRAVELED THE BIGGEST KH MYSTERY!

[MarkXIIII 106]

I didn't really need a whole detailed analysis, all i really needed was a "Because", that's all.

 

Haha, I just liked playing with this train of thought.

 

The essence would be:

IF Sora had had dinner, everyone would have been lost to darkness...

 

Some kind of dinner this would have turned out to be xDDDDDD

[AuraAce 1,126]

Frickin' Sora. Can't trust him to do anything

[MarkXIIII 106]

In case anyone is wondering WHERE in he world I got the Kairi-Demyx connection, 

I took it from the semi-canon manga series.

 

Personally, I see the manga just as semi-canon. Nomura has taken several Manga-exclusive scenes into account in Final Mixes (just like the novel series)

 

anyway the points mentioned in the manga and novels are minor but I still included this connection:

 

http://kh13.com/zenphoto/manga/kingdom-hearts-ii/chapter-45/061.png.php

 

for the mere reason I think there's more to Demyx than meets the eye.

For example, he is one of the most strange Nobodies, showing several heart-like traits 

Laziness, pleasure, anxiety, fear, uncertainty, friendhip

 

due to his interactions with Roxas, Sora and Kairi, he was able to initiate a nurturing of a heart.

And I think he really sees Roxas as a friend cuz he is interacting with him in Days in a more friendly manner and wants to get him back in KH2. Also, he is friendly toward Kairi: addressing her as "Princess" and "Miss Kairi".

 

Make sure you check out this little Demyx and Kairi centered episode, it's hilarious!

(and I almost feel angry because Sora killed Demyx)

Edited April 16, 2014 by MarkXIIII

[King.Mickey 359]

I apologize for this. I wrote this on a friend's keyboard with a foreign layout late at night

 

I hope it is not too distracting.

 

I finished polishing the major points and checked my points for validity so the context should be OK now.

I'll do another spelling correction marathon later.

 

You might want to re-read my replies that I sent earlier, as you probably read the crappy un-edited versions tha missed key details. but yeah tell me what you think after you do. did I help at all? i spent so much time on explaining that shit so I'd like to know. x D

[Joker 1,560]

 

I tried to read it but for some reason my adhd medicine seems to make me more hyperactive today for some reason

[MarkXIIII 106]

You might want to re-read my replies that I sent earlier, as you probably read the crappy un-edited versions tha missed key details. but yeah tell me what you think after you do. did I help at all? i spent so much time on explaining that shit so I'd like to know. x D

I had another look at your replies. Your info is 100% correct!I still have 3 questions left:1) what does a heart look like?I always thought a normal heart is that purple crystal thing which includes both light and darkness.Sora's heart and regular heart appear like this throughout the series.The princesses and ven's hearts are pure light so they are these light orbs.This is represented in all respective titles.However, in BbS and DDD whenever Xehanort is about to send his heart out into a new vessel with his keyblade, HIS heart is represented just like the pure hearts as glowing orb of light?? Why isn't his heart purple?.Or is his heart pure darkness and looks the same as pure light hearts?2) why exactly can Roxas wield two keyblades? Is it because he has ven's heart and grew his own?Why only on the last day??And why can sora wield two?Is it because he regained ven's heart?And what does the magic of his clothes in kh2 have to do with that?3) what do you think happened to Xion and Eraqus.According to all we know these are the only real deaths right?But if Xion grew a heart she can be saved.And didn't terra harbor Eraqus' heart in that case he can be saved too? Edited April 16, 2014 by MarkXIIII

[MarkXIIII 106]

Here are pictures of what hearts look like in the series:

 

Regular Hearts:

 

A random woman' shears is stolen:

 

Hearts apprentice Xehanort experimented with:

 

 

Hearts of pure light (natural as for the PoH or artificially for Ven):

 

Aurora's heart:

 

Sora about to take in Ven's heart:

Edited April 16, 2014 by MarkXIIII

[MarkXIIII 106]

Xehanort has a special heart as it seems:

 

This is Xehanort Reduced to just a Heart / Heartless:

 

In BbS:

 

Xehanort transfers his heart to Terra after releasing it:

But it looks just like a heart of Pure Light!!

 

In DDD:

 

Xehanort does this little trick with his Keyblade and glowing magic fingers:

 

And the he releases (at least a fraction of) his heart and shoots it over to implant it into Sora.

And yet again his heart's fracture has the appearance of a pure heart of light...

 

 

However:

He can also do this neat trick and summon this orb that gathered Kingdom Hearts in BbS:

I think this would personally fit better for his heart (flaming darkness)

 

 

I wonder what is the reason behind this. The shapes and concepts of heart are consistent throughout the whole series!

Why would Xehanort's heart be different?

Here's the cinematic version of that scene:

 

THIS is what I imagined Xehanort's heart to be like:

Edited April 16, 2014 by MarkXIIII

[KeybladeHero94 32]

I guess I need to go back to school...because what you said made me feel so dumb lol, no disrespect to your theory, in fact bravo to it, but. I always thought games were meant for enjoyment

[King.Mickey 359]

I guess I need to go back to school...because what you said made me feel so dumb lol, no disrespect to your theory, in fact bravo to it, but. I always thought games were meant for enjoyment

You gotta understand everything first to enjoy/experience everything to its' fullest x D (At least for me)

 

He also had some things that he wanted to clear up

Edited April 17, 2014 by King.Mickey

[King.Mickey 359]

 

There was no possible way to answer these lightly so bear with me LOL.1) O_O I never noticed that! Very, VERY interesting...But don't worry, as I'm sure only Nomura knows the real answer to this atm since this was never actually mentioned in the series or stated in an interview. Maybe we'll find out in KH3? If it doesn't ever explain this, then sadly it's probably just because he's the main antagonist of the series so Nomura wanted him to be more...unique. Or maybe it's because he's extremely powerful so his heart looks different than most others? Hmm. Very good question. Have they ever shown one of those purple hearts after seeing Xehanort's? Maybe they just wanted to change what hearts look like in general now to that light orb. I guess only time will tell2) Roxas' first Keyblade was actually Sora's. Since he's Sora's nobody, he can summon his Keyblade. And yep, Roxas can indeed dual weild because of Ven's heart, and here's why only at the end: Because of the intense emotions and sadness Roxas felt in the result of Xion's death, it stirred Ven's heart resting inside of him which awakened the ability to use his Keyblade as well. So both of his Keyblades that he used weren't his own at all, just borrowed. If Roxas comes back he likely won't even have one anymore lol. Unless a Keyblade chooses him of course, which I'm almost positive will happen anyways. And yup again, Sora can now weild two because of Ven's newly stirred heart reuniting with him. And I'm sure the clothes thing was just so we weren't so overpowered blasting through everything with two Keyblade the whole game, although that would be badass lol. It could also be because it takes more energy and focus to summon Ven's, and forms were the best way to utilize that.3) You read all my replies? I coulda sworn that I said in one of them (along with lots of other things you might have missed if you didn't see that one) that Xion returned back to Sora, since she was literally just a bunch of Sora's memories as an entity. And I'm not really sure if she grew a heart or not; it never really says. That's what KH3 is for x D. But I'm sure she will come back. I have a feeling that this saga, and the series as a whole will have a happy ending, and everyone gets reunited with their friends in a very cheesey and cliché fashion, yada yada yada. And yup yup yup yup, Eraqus' heart is currently inside of Terra's; Nomura actually technically confirmed it. He was asked in an interview "Whose heart rests within Terra, as Xehanort mentions?" And Nomura replies with "I can't answer that yet, but after you play BbS, I think you will know." In one of the last scenes of Xehanort talking to Terra about fighting over control of his body, Xehanort actually acknowledges that Eraqus stepped foot into Terra's heart and Terra smirks. ConfirmedGlad to help x D Edited April 17, 2014 by King.Mickey

[MarkXIIII 106]

I also realized that in the flashback scene in DDD, When Xehanort attacks BRAIG and releases his heart, and therefor turning him into a heartless as well as Xigbar, 

 

BRAIG's heart looks just like the PURE hearts too.

 

I wonder if this is a mistake or if this is because Braig at that time is already "half Xehanort"... (his eyes are golden already, I think he gives into Xehanort in BbS after losing to Terra? It's been a while since I played this game now I'm waiting for 2.5...)

 

 

Here is what this heart looks like.

Mistake? Xehanort's unique heart? Strong hearts?

[MarkXIIII 106]

Have they ever shown one of those purple hearts after seeing Xehanort's? Maybe they just wanted to change what hearts look like in general now to that light orb. I guess only time will tell 

 

Both forms of hearts appear regularly throughout the entire series. Usually ALL normal hearts have been shown as purple crystals (that woman in KH1, the hearts in the experiments in KH2, heart-shapes on the experiment papers in KH2, the hearts gathering to make KH in KH2, the hearts releasing from emblem heartless in  days, the Game over screens in KH1, CoM, BbS, KH2, Coded (if I remember correctly) also show those hearts. Days does not (duh, nobodies)

 

The pure hearts have only been used for the princesses and Ven (ALL PoH in KH1, Aurora's heart in BbS, Ven's heart in BbS)

 

Xehanort's heart is similar to the pure hearts (BbS when attacking Terra, DDD when attacking Sora, DDD Braig's heart)

[MarkXIIII 106]

2) Roxas' first Keyblade was actually Sora's. Since he's Sora's nobody, he can summon his Keyblade. And yep, Roxas can indeed dual weild because of Ven's heart, and here's why only at the end: Because of the intense emotions and sadness Roxas felt in the result of Xion's death, it stirred Ven's heart resting inside of him which awakened the ability to use his Keyblade as well. So both of his Keyblades that he used weren't his own at all, just borrowed. If Roxas comes back he likely won't even have one anymore lol. Unless a Keyblade chooses him of course, which I'm almost positive will happen anyways. And yup again, Sora can now weild two because of Ven's newly stirred heart reuniting with him. And I'm sure the clothes thing was just so we weren't so overpowered blasting through everything with two Keyblade the whole game, although that would be badass lol. It could also be because it takes more energy and focus to summon Ven's, and forms were the best way to utilize that.

 

 

Awesome! I completely forgot about that! 

How do you know all of this? I usually forget about the interviews right after reading them...

 

One more thing: when Roxas attacks Sora in front of Memory Skyscraper, the battle takes place inside Sora right?

Do you think the Keyblade which is Sora's can be used by the two at the same time?

Roxas uses his and Ven's but Sora uses his own too and if he had Donald and Goofy with him they could fight using Sora's and Ven's Keyblades both at the same time...

 

I'm thinking this because when Roxas awakens in Twilight Town and uses the Keyblade, Sora is also using his keyblade during the events of KH and CoM before going to sleep...

So they basically use the same keyblade both at the same time.

 

So if Nobodies have all innate abilities their originals have there is no problem using the same keyblade (kind of similar to Xion who copies sora;s powers too)

[ther other possibility would be that Roxas used Ven's keyblade all the time and then grew a heart to use the second but this makes no sense cuz Xion uses a blade too all the time... - and Xemnas COULD use Xehanort's keyblade too while Ansem uses the same too]

Thanks A LOT for your help, you sound really omniscient in the KH universe...

 

You sure your name ain't Joshua??

[King.Mickey 359]

Awesome! I completely forgot about that! 

How do you know all of this? I usually forget about the interviews right after reading them...

 

One more thing: when Roxas attacks Sora in front of Memory Skyscraper, the battle takes place inside Sora right?

Do you think the Keyblade which is Sora's can be used by the two at the same time?

Roxas uses his and Ven's but Sora uses his own too and if he had Donald and Goofy with him they could fight using Sora's and Ven's Keyblades both at the same time...

 

I'm thinking this because when Roxas awakens in Twilight Town and uses the Keyblade, Sora is also using his keyblade during the events of KH and CoM before going to sleep...

So they basically use the same keyblade both at the same time.

 

So if Nobodies have all innate abilities their originals have there is no problem using the same keyblade (kind of similar to Xion who copies sora;s powers too)

[ther other possibility would be that Roxas used Ven's keyblade all the time and then grew a heart to use the second but this makes no sense cuz Xion uses a blade too all the time... - and Xemnas COULD use Xehanort's keyblade too while Ansem uses the same too]

Thanks A LOT for your help, you sound really omniscient in the KH universe...

 

You sure your name ain't Joshua??

lol no problem dude, this is what I'm here for. And all this knowledge resulted from being a KH fan even before CoM came out for the gba, huuuuundreds of game time hours combined, beating every game in the series at least 3 times each, and reading every single interview that has ever happened since 2004 as they were released. x D 

 

But yeah you're right about Sora and Roxas being able to weild their Keyblade at the same time, since they did so in Days and CoM like you mentioned

 

I hope you stick around here.

Edited April 17, 2014 by King.Mickey

[MarkXIIII 106]

lol no problem dude, this is what I'm here for. And all this knowledge resulted from being a KH fan even before CoM came out for the gba, huuuuundreds of game time hours combined, beating every game in the series at least 3 times each, and reading every single interview that has ever happened since 2004 as they were released. x D 

 

But yeah you're right about Sora and Roxas being able to weild their Keyblade at the same time, since they did so in Days and CoM like you mentioned

 

I hope you stick around here.

 

Thank you so much!! :D

 

Well, I considered myself quite good in KH knowledge too - before I met you that is...

 

Please tell me you eye color is NOT Xehanort-yellowish!?

[KeybladeHero94 32]

You gotta understand everything first to enjoy/experience everything to its' fullest x D (At least for me)

 

He also had some things that he wanted to clear up

Well I do understand MOST of the story, well the stuff leading up to three, I just don't know BBS because I havent played it yet but i know most of the story, I just ignore the plotholes

[King.Mickey 359]

Well I do understand MOST of the story, well the stuff leading up to three, I just don't know BBS because I havent played it yet but i know most of the story, I just ignore the plotholes

oh you're going to love BBS!

[MasterMac 13]

Lots of lots of info, props. And lots and lots of comments.

 

I saw one comment relating back to why Roxas at the end of Days can wield two Keyblades, and stating they were borrowed by Sora and Ventus. I understand Sora duh, but why Ventus? I thought since Roxas had immense rage over Xion's 'demise' he was able to use Xion's. Can someone clear this up or further explain both why it is Ventus and not Xion's?

[MarkXIIII 106]

Lots of lots of info, props. And lots and lots of comments.I saw one comment relating back to why Roxas at the end of Days can wield two Keyblades, and stating they were borrowed by Sora and Ventus. I understand Sora duh, but why Ventus? I thought since Roxas had immense rage over Xion's 'demise' he was able to use Xion's. Can someone clear this up or further explain both why it is Ventus and not Xion's?

Xion's keyblade is sora's.Ven has/ had (as he's sleeping now) 1 keyblade.Sora has 1 keyblade.Sora took ven's heart into his own.Sora became a heartless but was restored and regained his heart.Roxas was created and ven's heart was transferred into him.Roxas can use 1 keyblade at first (Sora's)Xion's death stirred Ven's heart inside of Roxas and therefore he could use 2- sora's and ven's.When roxas reunites with sora he has both, his own and ven's (which was strengthened and stirred by roxas) and now he can use his and ven's.Still, these keyblades can be used by several people at once and therefore sora and roxas both use sora's keyblade at the same time.(At that fight in khii final mix they even use sora's and ven's two times at the same time (if sora had donald and goofy to drave form into a 2 blade drive))Anyway, xion is a copy/replica of sora and therefore uses a copied version of sora's keyblade (hence riku calls it a sham keyblade). Her purpose is to copy sora's powers and to catch sora's memories to prevent him from waking up later on.Xion was just intended to wield a blade to release and gather hearts at first but because of her catching those memories and then impersonating sora's memories of kairi (hence she looks like her) and then getting an own personality, and due to sora's memory being put back by namine, xion everyone got tangled in the web of this memories mess. For this reason Xion was able to weaken roxas and to prevent sora from waking and interfering with namine's work, and therefore xemnas used this. So xion was blank and a real puppet at first but through the interaction with roxas she gained access to sora's memories... Basically she's a puppet with sora's most precious memories who copied sora's keyblade. And because of her influence on this memories she was a threat to roxas and sora (end in a further sense to namine and kairi).By undoing all those mistakes everyone returned to the cenario i'm gonns tell in a second and therefore everyone forgot xion as a person:If nothing had gone wrong, xion would have stayed the blank puppet. She would not have gained access to sora's memory through roxas and she would not have messed with those in the first palce. Roxas would not have become weak so often during his training with the organization.Ven's memories engraved in ven's heart would not have been affected (although minimally) and xigbar would not have caught on to where ven's heart might be.Other downside: xion would not have been a friend of roxas and therefore her death would not have stirred ven's heart and neither roxas nor sora could wield 2 keyblades during days or khii at all.Namine would have restored sora's memory completely and the only missing piece wiuld have been roxas. Roxas would have been taken back by riku just as we know, sora would have woken up.Xion would have stayed the puppet without personaliy and even without a distinct face and she would have used the copied keyblade until xemnas would have decided they had enough hearts to let sora do the rest of the job. They would have destroyed her and that's it.Hope this clears it. Edited April 19, 2014 by MarkXIIII