MarkXIIII 106 Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) Sprawled over several threads I collected all theories on how all KH heart theories go together and it finally makes sense: 1 Somebody = 1 Heart + 1 Body + 1 Mind / Soul Example: Riku 1 Heartless = 1 Heart (stolen) Example: Soldier (Emblem Heartless) or 1 Heartless = 0 Heart Example: Shadow (Pureblood Heartless) 1 Nobody = 1 Body Example: Dusk 1 Sentiment / Will = 1 Mind / Soul Example: Lingering Sentiment (Terra’s Will) 1 Unversed = 0 0 0 (hence not well versed with life!) but negative emotion and pure darkness involved (also memories?) Example: Flood There's also the concept of memories which is closely related to the mind and heart. Special Cases: Special Somebody: 2 Hearts + 1 Body + 1 Mind / Soul Example: Sora Special Somebody PoH: Pure Light Heart + 1 Body + 1 Mind / Soul Example: Snow White Special Somebody PoH: 1 Body + 1 Mind / Soul (Heart does not fade into Darkness) Example: Kairi Special Heartless Sora: 0 Heart(s) + 1 Mind /Soul Example: Sora Special Heartless Ansem: 1 Heart + 1 Body + 1 Mind / Soul Special Nobody: 1 Body + 1 Mind / Soul Example: Zexion Special Nobody: 1 Body + 1 Mind / Soul [+ 1 Heart] Example: Axel So when a Somebody loses his heart he creates a heartless. The heart fades into darkness. The being left behind is a manifestation of the darkness the heart fades into. The classic form of a heartless has no heart and has a void form and no mind (classic case of a shadow creation). These heartless try to "steal hearts" (presumably of people - thus creating more heartless - and if they get the chance to, also those hearts lingering in the darkness). If a heartless manages to get a heart, this heart is released when he gets destroyed (Emblem Heartless). High Heartless can have a form and even carry over the mind (Seeker of Darkness) The body that is left behind turns into a mindless shell (classic case of a dusk creation) When the Somebody had a strong mind, this person also can create a high nobody (Org. XIII) therefore the persons left behind will and body from a new existence. This existence might be able to grow a new heart (details fruther down). The concept of "body" I speak of refers to an "own" body as a person, similar (roxas) or identical to the regional Somebody (Axel). While pureblood heartless or unversed can easily be imagines as lacking a body, higher heartless also lose their original forms and are therefore counted as formless or bodiless. Dusk and other lower nobodies are counted as having a body and yet this body gets changed. While higher nobodies can easily be imagined as having a bodily form, those lower nobodies (like dusks) still have some kind of shell-like body because they are what is left of a person's body-shell in the first place. This theory is also supported by the fact that nobodies (no matter whether humanoid or dusk) are higher beings than heartless because they consist certainly of at least one part (body) and this tries to from a second component of existence (heart) and higher ones even a will (making them like a complete being just the original being and heart is gone). So Nobodies have 1 or 2 or all 3 parts. Heartless don't have to have either to exist and lack minds in 99% of cases, and a body. And heartless lack their own hearts! We do not know if a pureblood heartless can change into an emblem heartless by stealing a heart or if the heartless has to stew a heart before manifesting from the darkness. Another point is that heartless STEAL hearts and therefore do not have their own hearts! Therefore they do not have control over this heart (thus they act like beasts) because they contain a random heart. Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, is the notable exemption because he gave up his heart on purpose and therefore could exist. He released his heart which didn't get swallowed by darkness but he regained control over it (and as a bodiless form he could initiate time travel - and this is the reason why not everyone can do it). So he was reduced to heart and mind. Xemnas was formed with mind and body. Therefore Ansem was almost complete again after regaining his body with Riku's help after possessing him and gathering strength in the process. It depends whether memories are also part of the mind or not. Too little is known about minds- like if memories are carried over as part of the mind (like most regular high nobodies) or not (roxas) and if this is part of the mind at all. Also the case of sentiments is not completely probed yet. Basically, minds are entities of self-consciousness (lingering sentiment) but memories are closely connected and even more important! So memories are definnitely engraved in the hearts in any way [Naminé says so] and therefore if the heart is lost memories can also stick to minds as a backup (therefore Lingering sentiment remembers Ven and Aqua lost and hatred for Xehanort although Terra's heart is lost to Xehanort) (or each high Nobody rememebers without having a heart) To exist on its own, aka to form a sentiment, a mind has to be extraordinarily strong! And therefore we can say a mind is "merely" a concept of self-reflexion/awareness and existence. It's easier to think about it this way than to call is soul because souls are surely harder to vanquish and recreate from scratch than the mind/awareness. Xehanort (apprentice) is even seen to "split" his will, as both his Heartless (Ansom) and Nobody (Xemnas) are 100% self-conscious each and acting as 2 individuals. [You see, it's rather a concept of self-awareness as a being rather than a soul concept] And actually it does not matter Lea's mind got transformed when turned into Axel. And it doesn not make any difference if Axel's mind fades completely and Lea's mind is recreated or if Axel's mind is just turned back into Lea's. The main point is that Lea was self-consious as Lea then also as Axel and then again also when becoming Lea again. [Maybe even slightly different each time (Axel is definitely more reluctant than Lea due to his missing heart in the begining - as well as Xehanort's manipulations) but It stays the SAME guy! Same memories- Proof: "Got it memorized?"] And this is also the main reason this concept plays a minor role in the series. If a Somebody dies, the Heart, Body as well as Mind die too! We also know that the heart is the CORE of existence and one only dies when the (original) heart dies or fades. Ansem was reduced to just a heart without a body (and existence hence mind?) In the worst case a weak somebody is reduced to a heart which is stolen by a formless shadow and mind as well as body fade. But the person is not dead until the heart dies and still can be saved. In order to erase someone completely from existence in the KH universe one would have to steal the person's heart. then distroy the remaining nobody (and if it's a higher nobody it's will) so there is no chance (or known way) the person's body could be restored. Next one would have to vanquish the heartless holding this heart and release the heart. The heart has nowhere to return to and would fade into darkness again or get caught up inside another heartless so one has to either gather it using a Keyblade or other device. As the last step one would have to destroy the heart which is now the floating essence of the person's existence as neither body, nor will exist. With the heart the existence as well as the memory would be erased and the person is gone forever. But basically, a heart is never lost for good, unless it is specifically targeted and destroyed like in the case I just mentioned. In some part of the reports, the soul is mentioned with a connection to the mind and heart. So when someone really dies in KH series, 1) Body 2) Mind 3) Heart Die and therefore 4) memories 5) soul Die with them and the person is completely annihilated. If a Heartless dies, the Heart gets released but it will return to darkness and might even get captured by yet another heartless unless released with a "key" (to be gathered at a central place a.k.a. Kingdom Hearts [of hearts] ) If a pureblood heartless dies, the darkness manifested fades away. If a Nobody dies, The Body and Mind die [and the Heart dies] Therefore: 1) The Princesses of Heart must be protected at all costs in order to protect their lights, cuz if they die, the light dies! 2) Axel and all other Nobodies GREW or nurtured their own hearts, of course!! (or at least partly or fragments of hearts) Therefore they were able to feel and act. This process of growing a heart is a natural process of the body of the original Somebody to replace what has been lost. It is unclear and unlikely a heart can be regained completely on this way. (these hearts "grow" so Nobodies can have fractions of hearts) This process has to be initiated by the connection with a REAL heart. Axel's case is the prime example for Sora's heart touching a Nodody and therefore initiating the growth of a heart. Axel is surprised he is enjoying his schemes in Castle Oblivion and states Sora 'must have rubbed off'. In KHII Xemnas confirms Sora's influence. Some other Nobodies in the Organization also grew hearts (or heart-buds) in order to her able to enjoy things (larxene - she enjoys pain?) [Luxord's love for his games; Demyx's music and fear]. WHEN Axel died, his body, mind and HEART died. And then LEA got restored with LEA's Heart (this is why the heartless has to be felled before this to release the original somebody’s heart) LEA: 1 Body, 1 Mind, 1 Heart Lost his heart and created: AXEL: 1 Body (Leas Body therefore he looks the same), 1 Mind Shadow (presumably): Lea’s Heart Axel grew a new heart and therefore was a complete incomplete being. Axel: Body, Mind, Heart (of facture of a heart) Shadow is felled: Lea’s heart is released. Axel died: Axel’s body, Mind and Heart fade away. But Lea is restored with his original Heart which is now free and his mind and body are restored too. [There is also a theory that says that the mind never fades until the somebody dies but the mind is rather carried over to the next high existence, so Lea's got definitely transferred over to Axel but it is unclear whether Axel's mind dies and Lea's got recreated or if Axel's got restored as Lea's but it doesn't matter because the memories are the most important part and they are part of heart and mind!] [Roxas' case if different alltogether and contradicts the main mind theory cuz Roxas, just like Naminé, has his own mind and if he were to die, his body, his mind (and Ven's heart) were to die and fade away - and how Sora would have been affected is unclear - mostly through his memories; also Ven's reaction to this fatal case is unprobed] Therefore, it does not matter whether nobodies grew their own hearts cuz if they died these hearts faded away anyway just like their existence and the original being got restored. HOWEVER: This is not true for SORA – ROXAS (Special Origin + Heart transfer +Reunion) KAIRI - NAMINE (Special Origin + Reunion) XION (did she ever have a heart?) AS IN DDD: Data DiZ states that Sora has been able to reunite with his Nobody without destroying him! Axel died in order to revive (as) Lea. Roxas never died, neither did Namine. Assuming Roxas didn’t have the need to grow a heart cuz he had Ven’s how could he ever be restored as an own person as he is the only nobody completely without an own heart?? Do you think Xion grew a heart too? If so her heart most likely faded away too. If Namine grew a heart, Kairi harbors it so namine would be easier to rstore as her own existence. Poor Roxas! Seems like he is the biggest nobody of them all! [Roxas might very well have started growing his own heart because he had Ven's heart inside of him. This heart was sleeping (which supports the thesis why he might have grown an own heart in the first place) but complete and therefore he could cry as the only nobody.] So according to all this Axel is Lea while not being Lea. So Axel really died while really being restored as Lea. So if Roxas ever got his own existence, the Axel/Lea he were to meet was not the same Axel he knew. So it is a sad story after all. Therfore, truly all (org. XIII) nobodies (including their bodies and possible hearts) are gone and their original selves are back!! This is why Lea does not have Axel's cheek marks!! And lastly: 1) It would be impossible to have Axel coexist with Lea because Axel HAD to die in order to Revive Lea (cuz lea was gone unless somone would have restored him from his shadow / heartless form but there was no special heart involved like in sora's Kairi's case) 2) It would have been unneccessary to have Lea AND Axel cuz they are 1 and the same existence! and I don't think this would have been scientiffically possible (again no Pure light involved) 3) The Special Case of Namine and Roxas is different cuz they do not only coexist with their somebodies but they also are their own existences and identities right from the beginning (like Mr. Nomura and DiZ stated since KHII they are most special Nobodies!!) 4) In case anyone is wondering WHO and WHY almost all characters that show up in DDD behind Sora in his "my friends are my power" statement against Xigbar, or Xemnas or Xehanort Junior (don't rmemebr, sora just states he's proud to be part of something bigger) These Are ALL heart connected to Sora AND Ven’s Heart! Either because they have close connections through friendship or love, or because they have somehow connected hearts My Only Question was: WHY is Naminé missing as the only one, all other main Characters are present. The reason is: Naminé is connected to Kairi’s Heart. It would be OK to include Naminé in this list but she is only connected to Sora’s heart in a “once removed instance”. Finally here is a list of everything connected to Sora’s Heart: Sora’s Heart: Ties of Love: Kairi Ties Of Friendship: Riku Donald Goofy (Mickey) Connected Hearts: Roxas [Xion] (in case Roxas Has a Heart she is a tie of friendship of Roxas’ heart; but still included as she is/was a replica of sora directly that was influenced by Sora’s memories of Kairi) Ven Ven is the Connection cuz his own heart has other connections: Ven’s Heart: Ties of Friendship: Aqua Terra Mickey (I think Mickey is even featured in his BbS outfit, hence the inclusion here) Naminé is connected to Sora because Sora harbored KAiri’s heart during KH1. When Releasing his and Kairi’s Heart both Roxas and Naminé were born. For this reason and because of this connection Naminé has pwers over Sora (or more precisely his memories). As Kairi’s Heart is no longer directly with Sora’s Naminé should be connected in a second instance like this: Sora’s Heart: Ties of Love: Kairi […] Kairi’s Heart: = Pure heart of light Ties of Love: Sora Ties of Friendship: Riku Selphie Wakka Tidus Princesses of Heart Demyx Connected Hearts Naminé Naminé could also be included in a “Memories connection” section for Sora Just like Xion can be included in this category for kairi. Lastly Roxas is the most complicated of them all because we don’t Know for sure whether he has a heart on his own: Roxas’ Heart: = nonexistent??? = Ven’s Heart Ties of Love: Naminé Ties Of Friendship: Axel Xion Demyx (he talks quite often about him compared to other members) Hayner Pence Olette Furthermore: Genie Zero (Jack’s dog) (Riku?) Ties of connected hearts: Ven Sora [Xion] (depending on what happened to her existence) And to round it up: The memory connections for Roxas include: Naminé (therefore shw and DiZ were able toreimplant the lost (Xion) memories at the beginning of KHII) Kairi (due to the closeness of Sora’s And Kairi’s heart at the creation of Naminé and Roxas all 4 of them are closely related and therefore wehen Naminé restored Sora’s Memory through Roxas in KHII Roxas was able to connect with Kairi and help her remember Sora’s name) These are just tiny extracts from all the connections of hearts; I forgot too many Ties of friendship (Selphie, Tidus, Wakka, Hayner, Olette, Pence) but I think I covered the most prominent. End of Theory :D PS: I rewrote some parts and edited several unclear passages. I hope everything is more precise now. Edited April 16, 2014 by MarkXIIII 9 tlrpttmn, Elast0, aliyarocksyoursocks123 and 6 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
『R』 570 Posted April 16, 2014 Um. You just like turned KH into a Science thing. But anywho, I agree with your idea fully. 3 Nero Kunivas, MarkXIIII and Kittenz reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkXIIII 106 Posted April 16, 2014 And All characters can return easily except Roxas, Namine and Xion. Namine might come back easily by releasing her heart from within Kairi's. Roxas would have to get a completely new heart in order to become his own person. Maybe Roxas Even grew his own heart "around" Ven's heart...? (in this unlikely case Sora is Harboring 3 hearts currently) Xion might have had a heart but as she really died and faded, it's hardest getting her back cuz one need to get her a body and heart... So concluding one can say that these people are the only three that "deserve" to be their own persons - whcih is why Sora said so in DDD - precisely because They are NOT Nobodies, like shadows of their original selves, but vastly different individuals who din't even remember hwere they came from! Um. You just like turned KH into a Science thing. But anywho, I agree with your idea fully. Thank you very much!! I spent 100s of hours and 100s of pages of scribblings and notes just to come to this conclusion. At first I thought DDD didn't make any sense but now I see the whole picture, haha. 2 Nero Kunivas and 『R』 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KHUndertaleFan25 2,858 Posted April 16, 2014 Cool! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amber Cole 1,557 Posted April 16, 2014 um wow lots to read and it sounds so sciencyish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
『R』 570 Posted April 16, 2014 And All characters can return easily except Roxas, Namine and Xion. Namine might come back easily by releasing her heart from within Kairi's. Roxas would have to get a completely new heart in order to become his own person. Maybe Roxas Even grew his own heart "around" Ven's heart...? (in this unlikely case Sora is Harboring 3 hearts currently) Xion might have had a heart but as she really died and faded, it's hardest getting her back cuz one need to get her a body and heart... So concluding one can say that these people are the only three that "deserve" to be their own persons - whcih is why Sora said so in DDD - precisely because They are NOT Nobodies, like shadows of their original selves, but vastly different individuals who din't even remember hwere they came from! Thank you very much!! I spent 100s of hours and 100s of pages of scribblings and notes just to come to this conclusion. At first I thought DDD didn't make any sense but now I see the whole picture, haha. Yeah Roxas's heart. (complicated part right here) Roxas is Sora's nobody, that looks just like Ventus. It has been concluded many times that Roxas looks like Ventus because Ventus's heart is in Sora's heart. And since all nobody's do indeed have a heart. they might have taken part of their past selves heart's with them. (Past hearts theory) Roxas will have a hard time becoming a whole new person because his heart is connected to two other peeps. This reason some one will have to sacrifice themselves ,and be revived some way. (Non-past hearts theory) Roxas is not really going to be com-....Wait it might. Cause Axel went into lea. Zexion went into Ienzo. So Roxas will have to go into Sora. But how will he become a whole....... Xion's case. She had said to Roxas she is going to Sora now. So Xion's case is kinda similar to Ventus, though she doesn't have a body waiting in another place like Ventus does. Namine case is different. Yes she is(?) Kairi's nobody. So like the others she will have to return back to her past self. So Namine case is just like Xion's. That's my thinking for ya. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Power Jusho 1,783 Posted April 16, 2014 ...you must've had lots of time on your hands to do this.i'm sorry, not to sound rude or anything but i thought we play games to fun & enjoy the story, not to make it so complicated like this... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Kuno 2,512 Posted April 16, 2014 *original Ansem SoD voice* So, at last you understand But you forgot about one thing, Kingdom Hearts. It can perform miracles. 1 Nero Kunivas reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
『R』 570 Posted April 16, 2014 *original Ansem SoD voice* So, at last you understand But you forgot about one thing, Kingdom Hearts. It can perform miracles. That like Conlcudes everything. You just ruined our fun for finding out the hard. lol ...you must've had lots of time on your hands to do this.i'm sorry, not to sound rude or anything but i thought we play games to fun & enjoy the story, not to make it so complicated like this... We do. But for me just putting it out on a like timeline makes everything easier. Plus it can be fun....If you get everything correct that is. So I could read Kingdom Hearts with just the text of the cutscenes and still get a story out of it. (Plus that's probably why they created manga's for it too!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NO_HEART_XIII 312 Posted April 16, 2014 The nobodies keep their somebody's memories, and memories are a key element in what makes us who we are, they made a whole game about it called; Chain of Memories. Our memories shape who we are & how we feel, so Lea would still be the same person Roxas knew as Axel. Memories never go away, because they are engraved in our hearts according to Naminé. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkXIIII 106 Posted April 16, 2014 + a HUGE THANKS to King Mickey who stirred me in the right direction and helped me find the last clue that hearts fade when an existence dies!!! THANK YOU!!! 1 King.Mickey reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkXIIII 106 Posted April 16, 2014 The nobodies keep their somebody's memories, and memories are a key element in what makes us who we are, they made a whole game about it called; Chain of Memories. Our memories shape who we are & how we feel, so Lea would still be the same person Roxas knew as Axel. Memories never go away, because they are engraved in our hearts according to Naminé. 1) Yes, Axel is indeed Lea. Roxas however. is not Sora. That's the biggest difference. Axel HAS Lea's memories and body Roxas has neither Sora's memories nor his body. Therfore Axel and Leas share 1 body 1 mind and 1 heart (1 at a time that is), Sora and Roxas share 2 bodies 2 minds and 2 hearts (ven's and Sora's) I just wanted to stress that if roxas became a whole person by himself he would not have to fade and neither his body nor his mind would have to fade. Axel's body heart and mind howver faded completely and then his original heart was regained and his original body and his original mind were recreated. It depends whether memories are also part of the mind or not. Too little is known about minds- like if memories are carried over (like most regular high nobodies) or not (roxas) and if this is part of the mind or not. Also the case of sentiments is not complietely probed yet. So basically minds are created anew each time with carried over memories or minds are restored and carry memories with them it does not really matter. Basically, minds are entities of self-consciousness (lingering sentiment) but memories are closely connected and even more important! So memories are definnitely engraved in the hears in any way and therefore if the heart is lost memories can also stick to minds tas a backp (therefore Lingering sentiment remembers Ven and Aqua lost and hatred for Xehanort) But what I wanted to point out is that Axel had to die in Order to become LEa again. As Roxas never met Lea, he indeed would never meet the very sam e Axel existance ever again (cuz axel's body mind and heart are gone) and even though recreated almost 1:1 and having the same memories and their friendship Lea and Roxas would be slightly different than Axel - Roxas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkXIIII 106 Posted April 16, 2014 The Best Example of Axel and Lea is imagining yuo slept for a week or even a month and then you woke up. Somehow you would still be yourself but on the other habd you have changed just as your environment and friends have. Meeting someone again who slept for similar period of time but at a different place and at a different time, you would have a slightly different interaction than you might have if you never parted. This slight separation in inter-personal interaction illustrates that the development of the situation beween you and your friend could stay the same, develop closer of farther apart. (somehow similar to sora sleeping for a year and then seeing kairi again after more than a year, but they are ever so close they easily overcome this gap-year) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sora'sBrother 0 Posted April 16, 2014 I read this thinking this guy is 100% right :blink:, you have all of this information correct I want to know if Roxas has a heart too it's bothering me to the point I didn't understand kh logic :angry:. But I have to give you your props for this great job dude :biggrin: and thanks for clearing up everything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Winds 2,576 Posted April 16, 2014 ...you must've had lots of time on your hands to do this.i'm sorry, not to sound rude or anything but i thought we play games to fun & enjoy the story, not to make it so complicated like this... No, we dun play games to fill our boredom, we play them to experience each adventure and understanding each one better immerses us into the world it takes place in. It may not help many people, but Mark's just trying to make a better understanding of the Science within Kingdom Hearts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bat12 3 Posted April 16, 2014 amazing the only issue I can think of is a couple of errors in spelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaweebo 3,617 Posted April 16, 2014 So when a Somebody loses his heart he creates a heartless who "steals" their heart and has a void form and no mind (classic case of a shadow creation). That's not entirely true. Shadows do not contain hearts as they are Purebloods created 'purely' from darkness manifested. That's why when you kill them, no heart is released. The Heartless that 'steal' hearts are the artificial Heartless, or Emblems, created by Ansem's apprentices. As far as I know, this is accurate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King.Mickey 359 Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) + a HUGE THANKS to King Mickey who stirred me in the right direction and helped me find the last clue that hearts fade when an existence dies!!!THANK YOU!!!No problem dude! I love helping people understand the KH story. :](Also because by typing it out so many times it helps me to remember this clusterfukc. x D LOL)Also, with your Roxas/Ven and Xion questions, yup, Ventus' heart was indeed inside of Roxas, although it was still asleep, so Roxas was still essentially lacking a heart of his own for a while. And I'm pretty sure there isn't really a clear explanation as to why he and Namine can both exist at the same time as their somebodies, but I'm guessing it's simply just because both Sora and Kairi were brought back before their nobodies had the chance to die and that's it.And regarding Xion: Roxas didn't absorb her; Sora did. So he only had his own heart and Ven's sleeping heart inside of him at the time before returning to Sora.If you have any more questions, I'll be glad to help! Edited April 16, 2014 by King.Mickey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AuraAce 1,126 Posted April 16, 2014 Actually the biggest question is why doesn't Sora go for his dinner. 1 King.Mickey reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King.Mickey 359 Posted April 16, 2014 Actually the biggest question is why doesn't Sora go for his dinner.This question wins the internet and the answer solves World War 3. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AuraAce 1,126 Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) This question wins the internet and the answer solves World War 3. And wins the World Cup and gets an early copy of KHIII, IV and V and Millions of monehz Edited April 16, 2014 by ScottishSkarmory 1 King.Mickey reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkXIIII 106 Posted April 16, 2014 That's not entirely true. Shadows do not contain hearts as they are Purebloods created 'purely' from darkness manifested. That's why when you kill them, no heart is released. The Heartless that 'steal' hearts are the artificial Heartless, or Emblems, created by Ansem's apprentices. As far as I know, this is accurate. you are absolutely right. I reworked this part in my thesis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkXIIII 106 Posted April 16, 2014 amazing the only issue I can think of is a couple of errors in spelling I apologize for this. I wrote this on a friend's keyboard with a foreign layout late at night I hope it is not too distracting. I finished polishing the major points and checked my points for validity so the context should be OK now. I'll do another spelling correction marathon later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkXIIII 106 Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) And wins the World Cup and gets an early copy of KHIII, IV and V and Millions of monehz What happened if Sora ate dinner: IF Sora had gone to dinner, Riku would have possessed by Ansem, Kairi would have been stolen including her heart. The Keyblade could not have chosen neither Sora nor Riku. Sora and all his family and friends would have been swallowed by darkness WHILE eating dinner. Riku would have acted as Ansem's puppet before Ansem could take over completely and regaining his Body and fully becoming the Seeker of Darkness we all love to hate. Riku would have faded into darkness, his heart would have been taken over by Ansem. Riku would have been lost in the Darkness forever. Kairi would have been gathered among all those other PoH, Ansem would have used their hearts to unlock the final Abyss and Would have been destroyed by the Light within Kingdom Hearts cuz this KH is light, hahaha. But Mickey would not have been able to close the Door to Darkness alone and darkness would have taken over and swallowed everything. So all and every being would have been lost to "everlasting darkness". But the good thing is: Xehanort would not have won cuz Xemnas would have been swallowed by the dark too and therefore Gramps Xehanort could never return. End of Story Edited April 16, 2014 by MarkXIIII Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AuraAce 1,126 Posted April 16, 2014 What happened if Sora ate dinner: IF Sora had gone to dinner, Riku would have possessed by Ansem, Kairi would have been stolen including her heart. The Keyblade could not have chosen neither Sora nor Riku. Sora and all his family and friends would have been swallowed by darkness WHILE eating dinner. Riku would have acted as Ansem's puppet before Ansem could take over completely and regaining his Body and fully becoming the Seeker of Darkness we all love to hate. Riku would have faded into darkness, his heart would have been taken over by Ansem. Riku would have been lost in the Darkness forever. Kairi would have been gathered among all those other PoH, Ansem would have used their hearts to unlock the final Abyss and Would have been destroyed by the Light within Kingdom Hearts cuz this KH is light, hahaha. But Mickey would not have been able to close the Door to Darkness alone and darkness would have taken over and swallowed everything. So all and every being would have been lost to "everlasting darkness". But the good thing is: Xehanort would not have won cuz Xemnas would have been swallowed by the dark too and therefore Gramps Xehanort could never return. End Of Story I didn't really need a whole detailed analysis, all i really needed was a "Because", that's all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites