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I UNRAVELED THE BIGGEST KH MYSTERY!

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And All characters can return easily except Roxas, Namine and Xion.

 

Namine might come back easily by releasing her heart from within Kairi's.

Roxas would have to get a completely new heart in order to become his own person.

Maybe Roxas Even grew his own heart "around" Ven's heart...? (in this unlikely case Sora is Harboring 3 hearts currently)

 

Xion might have had a heart but as she really died and faded, it's hardest getting her back cuz one need to get her a body and heart...

 

 

So concluding one can say that these people are the only three that "deserve" to be their own persons - whcih is why Sora said so in DDD - precisely because They are NOT Nobodies, like shadows of their original selves, but vastly different individuals who din't even remember hwere they came from!

Um. You just like turned KH into a Science thing.

 

But anywho, I agree with your idea fully.

 

Thank you very much!! :D

I  spent 100s of hours and 100s of pages of scribblings and notes just to come to this conclusion.

At first I thought DDD didn't make any sense but now I see the whole picture, haha.

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And All characters can return easily except Roxas, Namine and Xion.

 

Namine might come back easily by releasing her heart from within Kairi's.

Roxas would have to get a completely new heart in order to become his own person.

Maybe Roxas Even grew his own heart "around" Ven's heart...? (in this unlikely case Sora is Harboring 3 hearts currently)

 

Xion might have had a heart but as she really died and faded, it's hardest getting her back cuz one need to get her a body and heart...

 

 

So concluding one can say that these people are the only three that "deserve" to be their own persons - whcih is why Sora said so in DDD - precisely because They are NOT Nobodies, like shadows of their original selves, but vastly different individuals who din't even remember hwere they came from!

 

Thank you very much!! :D

I  spent 100s of hours and 100s of pages of scribblings and notes just to come to this conclusion.

At first I thought DDD didn't make any sense but now I see the whole picture, haha.

Yeah Roxas's heart. (complicated part right here)

 

Roxas is Sora's nobody, that looks just like Ventus. It has been concluded many times that Roxas looks like Ventus because Ventus's heart is in Sora's heart. And since all nobody's do indeed have a heart. they might have taken part of their past selves heart's with them.

(Past hearts theory)

 

Roxas will have a hard time becoming a whole new person because his heart is connected to two other peeps. This reason some one will have to sacrifice themselves ,and be revived some way.

 

(Non-past hearts theory)

 

Roxas is not really going to  be com-....Wait it might. Cause Axel went into lea. Zexion went into Ienzo. So Roxas will have to go into Sora. But how will he become a whole.......:P

 

Xion's case. She had said to Roxas she is going to Sora now. So Xion's case is kinda similar to Ventus, though she doesn't have a body waiting in another place like Ventus does.

 

Namine case is different. Yes she is(?) Kairi's nobody. So like the others she will have to return back to her past self. So Namine case is just like Xion's.

 

:P That's my thinking for ya.

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...you must've had lots of time on your hands to do this.i'm sorry, not to sound rude or anything but i thought we play games to fun & enjoy the story, not to make it so complicated like this...

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*original Ansem SoD voice* So, at last you understand

 

But you forgot about one thing, Kingdom Hearts. It can perform miracles.

That like Conlcudes everything. xD You just ruined our fun for finding out the hard. lol

...you must've had lots of time on your hands to do this.i'm sorry, not to sound rude or anything but i thought we play games to fun & enjoy the story, not to make it so complicated like this...

We do.

But for me just putting it out on a like timeline makes everything easier. Plus it can be fun....If you get everything correct that is.

So I could read Kingdom Hearts with just the text of the cutscenes and still get a story out of it. :)

(Plus that's probably why they created manga's for it too!) 

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The nobodies keep their somebody's memories, and memories are a key element in what makes us who we are, they made a whole game about it called; Chain of Memories. Our memories shape who we are & how we feel, so Lea would still be the same person Roxas knew as Axel. Memories never go away, because they are engraved in our hearts according to Naminé.

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The nobodies keep their somebody's memories, and memories are a key element in what makes us who we are, they made a whole game about it called; Chain of Memories. Our memories shape who we are & how we feel, so Lea would still be the same person Roxas knew as Axel. Memories never go away, because they are engraved in our hearts according to Naminé.

 

1) Yes, Axel is indeed Lea. Roxas however. is not Sora. That's the biggest difference.

Axel HAS Lea's memories and body Roxas has neither Sora's memories nor his body.

Therfore Axel and Leas share 1 body 1 mind and 1 heart (1 at a time that is), Sora and Roxas share 2 bodies 2 minds and 2 hearts (ven's and Sora's)

 

I just wanted to stress that if roxas became a whole person by himself he would not have to fade and neither his body nor his mind would have to fade. Axel's body heart and mind howver faded completely and then his original heart was regained and his original body and his original mind were recreated.

 

It depends whether memories are also part of the mind or not.

Too little is known about minds-  like if memories are carried over (like most regular high nobodies) or not (roxas) and if this is part of the mind or not. Also the case of sentiments is not complietely probed yet.

So basically minds are created anew each time with carried over memories or minds are restored and carry memories with them it does not really matter.

 

Basically, minds are entities of self-consciousness (lingering sentiment) but memories are closely connected and even more important!

 

So memories are definnitely engraved in the hears in any way and therefore if the heart is lost memories can also stick to minds tas a backp (therefore Lingering sentiment remembers Ven and Aqua lost and hatred for Xehanort)

 

 

But what I wanted to point out is that Axel had to die in Order to become LEa again. As Roxas never met Lea, he indeed would never meet the very sam e Axel existance ever again (cuz axel's body mind and heart are gone) and even though recreated almost 1:1 and having the same memories and their friendship Lea and Roxas would be slightly different than Axel - Roxas.

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The Best Example of Axel and Lea is imagining yuo slept for a week or even a month and then you woke up. Somehow you would still be yourself but on the other habd you have changed just as your environment and friends have.

 

Meeting someone again who slept for similar period of time but at a different place and at a different time, you would have a slightly different interaction than you might have if you never parted.

 

This slight separation in inter-personal interaction illustrates that the development of the situation beween you and your friend could stay the same, develop closer of farther apart.

 

(somehow similar to sora sleeping for a year and then seeing kairi again after more than a year, but they are ever so close they easily overcome this gap-year)

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I read this thinking this guy is 100% right :blink:, you have all of this information correct I want to know if Roxas has a heart too it's bothering me to the point I didn't understand kh logic :angry:. But I have to give you your props for this great job dude :biggrin: and thanks for clearing up everything.

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...you must've had lots of time on your hands to do this.i'm sorry, not to sound rude or anything but i thought we play games to fun & enjoy the story, not to make it so complicated like this...

No, we dun play games to fill our boredom, we play them to experience each adventure and understanding each one better immerses us into the world it takes place in.  It may not help many people, but Mark's just trying to make a better understanding of the Science within Kingdom Hearts.

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So when a Somebody loses his heart he creates a heartless who "steals" their heart and has a void form and no mind (classic case of a shadow creation).

 

That's not entirely true. Shadows do not contain hearts as they are Purebloods created 'purely' from darkness manifested. That's why when you kill them, no heart is released. The Heartless that 'steal' hearts are the artificial Heartless, or Emblems, created by Ansem's apprentices. As far as I know, this is accurate.

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+ a HUGE THANKS to King Mickey who stirred me in the right direction and helped me find the last clue that hearts fade when an existence dies!!!THANK YOU!!!

No problem dude! I love helping people understand the KH story. :](Also because by typing it out so many times it helps me to remember this clusterfukc. x D LOL)Also, with your Roxas/Ven and Xion questions, yup, Ventus' heart was indeed inside of Roxas, although it was still asleep, so Roxas was still essentially lacking a heart of his own for a while. And I'm pretty sure there isn't really a clear explanation as to why he and Namine can both exist at the same time as their somebodies, but I'm guessing it's simply just because both Sora and Kairi were brought back before their nobodies had the chance to die and that's it.And regarding Xion: Roxas didn't absorb her; Sora did. So he only had his own heart and Ven's sleeping heart inside of him at the time before returning to Sora.If you have any more questions, I'll be glad to help! Edited by King.Mickey

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That's not entirely true. Shadows do not contain hearts as they are Purebloods created 'purely' from darkness manifested. That's why when you kill them, no heart is released. The Heartless that 'steal' hearts are the artificial Heartless, or Emblems, created by Ansem's apprentices. As far as I know, this is accurate.

 

you are absolutely right.

I reworked this part in my thesis.

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amazing the only issue I can think of is a couple of errors in spelling

 

I apologize for this. I wrote this on a friend's keyboard with a foreign layout late at night xP

 

I hope it is not too distracting.

 

I finished polishing the major points and checked my points for validity so the context should be OK now.

I'll do another spelling correction marathon later.

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And wins the World Cup and gets an early copy of KHIII, IV and V and Millions of monehz xD

 

What happened if Sora ate dinner:

 

IF Sora had gone to dinner, Riku would have possessed by Ansem, Kairi would have been stolen including her heart.

The Keyblade could not have chosen neither Sora nor Riku.

Sora and all his family and friends would have been swallowed by darkness WHILE eating dinner.

 

Riku would have acted as Ansem's puppet before Ansem could take over completely and regaining his Body and fully becoming the Seeker of Darkness we all love to hate.

Riku would have faded into darkness, his heart would have been taken over by Ansem. Riku would have been lost in the Darkness forever.

 

Kairi would have been gathered among all those other PoH, Ansem would have used their hearts to unlock the final Abyss

and

 

 

Would have been destroyed by the Light within Kingdom Hearts cuz this KH is light, hahaha.

 

But Mickey would not have been able to close the Door to Darkness alone and darkness would have taken over and swallowed everything.

So all and every being would have been lost to "everlasting darkness".

 

But the good thing is: Xehanort would not have won cuz Xemnas would have been swallowed by the dark too and therefore Gramps Xehanort could never return.

 

End of Story

Edited by MarkXIIII

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What happened if Sora ate dinner:

 

IF Sora had gone to dinner, Riku would have possessed by Ansem, Kairi would have been stolen including her heart.

The Keyblade could not have chosen neither Sora nor Riku.

Sora and all his family and friends would have been swallowed by darkness WHILE eating dinner.

 

Riku would have acted as Ansem's puppet before Ansem could take over completely and regaining his Body and fully becoming the Seeker of Darkness we all love to hate.

Riku would have faded into darkness, his heart would have been taken over by Ansem. Riku would have been lost in the Darkness forever.

 

Kairi would have been gathered among all those other PoH, Ansem would have used their hearts to unlock the final Abyss

and

 

 

Would have been destroyed by the Light within Kingdom Hearts cuz this KH is light, hahaha.

 

But Mickey would not have been able to close the Door to Darkness alone and darkness would have taken over and swallowed everything.

So all and every being would have been lost to "everlasting darkness".

 

But the good thing is: Xehanort would not have won cuz Xemnas would have been swallowed by the dark too and therefore Gramps Xehanort could never return.

 

End Of Story

I didn't really need a whole detailed analysis, all i really needed was a "Because", that's all.

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