What Happened in the Realm of Darkness?

[Deadpool 1,200]

One of the questions we all really want answered. Sure, the time Mickey and Riku spent in there may have been possibly really short, but let's not forget they're not the only two in there. Aqua's in there too. For all we know, Riku could have met her while in there and that could help in saving her in Kingdom Hearts III. Why hasn't be spoken up about it or tried finding a way to save her already? Who knows, maybe something happened that made him forget or prevented him? After all, he went right from the Realm of Darkness to Castle Oblivion, and that place does some freaky stuff (even though it was just Namine messing with Sora's head, ya never know).

 

Anybody else have any theories or ideas pertaining to this?

[Demyx. 10,064]

What happens in the realm of darkness. Stays in the realm of darkness.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

What happens in the realm of darkness. Stays in the realm of darkness.

Damn you, I was gonna say the same exact thing. Word for word. Ah well.

Maybe he never met her, It's a big place after all. Just as large, if not larger, then the realm of light.

Edited April 7, 2014 by Isamu_Kuno

[Grotesquery 603]

Damn you, I was gonna say the same exact thing. Word for word. Ah well.

Maybe he never met her, It's a big place after all. Just as large, if not larger, then the realm of light.

That didn't stop Aqua and Ansem from running into each-other, of course.

 

In the exact same spot that Sora and Riku were in, probably not long before.

 

I'm beginning to think the Realm of Darkness has a twisted sense of humor. 

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

 

 

In the exact same spot that Sora and Riku were in, probably not long before.

 

 

 

 Nope . Two different spots :

Presently there are 4 main untold stories to consider: "the period of the King's absence", "the period of Riku's absence", "Roxas's time in Organization XIII" and "Xehanort's past". In this case, the story of "the period of the King's absence" is set in the realm of darkness. I am examining a way to tell these 4 stories so I might be able to find a way to tell them soon.

What can be called the dark coastline seen at the beginning and end of KHII is the tip of a world. It is not strictly part of the realm of darkness but rather what serves as the boundary line in between the dark and the in-between. In the ending, Sora and Riku were on the coast on the in-between side and were looking at the sea of the realm of darkness. The door visible in the dark sea is a scene that symbolizes "Deep within the darkness, there is light", as Sora said in the previous KH.

 

 

[Dave 5,715]

Now, what would have been REALLY odd to consider is that if, in fact, Riku were to have met Aqua in the Realm of Darkness, he may have been in his Ansem form, which would have really screwed up Aqua's mind.

 

Actually, I kind of want that to be a thing. Just have Aqua go crazy.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

On topic guys the secret ending to Re: Coded implies they might have figured out what happened to Aqua but it doesn't go into detail and say how they know .

 

 

http://youtu.be/lzCiqIG03Yo

Edited April 7, 2014 by Flaming Lea

[Grotesquery 603]

 Nope . Two different spots :

Presently there are 4 main untold stories to consider: "the period of the King's absence", "the period of Riku's absence", "Roxas's time in Organization XIII" and "Xehanort's past". In this case, the story of "the period of the King's absence" is set in the realm of darkness. I am examining a way to tell these 4 stories so I might be able to find a way to tell them soon.

What can be called the dark coastline seen at the beginning and end of KHII is the tip of a world. It is not strictly part of the realm of darkness but rather what serves as the boundary line in between the dark and the in-between. In the ending, Sora and Riku were on the coast on the in-between side and were looking at the sea of the realm of darkness. The door visible in the dark sea is a scene that symbolizes "Deep within the darkness, there is light", as Sora said in the previous KH.

 

 

Regardless, that doesn't change the fact that both pairs of people wound up on the edges of their respective Realms. Considering how huge these places are supposed to be(Like Kuno said, the dark realm alone is theorized to be at least as big as the realm of light) I still find it to be a rather significant coincidence that all 4 characters made it to that border.

 

As Nomura stated that time flows "differently" in the Realm of Darkness, I think that may have something to do with it. Perhaps the Dark Coastline is the final destination for people in the realm of darkness, no matter what, and no matter what direction you go, you always end up there in the end as it's the edge of the realm itself. Perhaps for that reason time itself has little consequence for people before they make it there, as there is no other "end" to your time in the realm then that.

 

Less has been shown about the realm of in-between, but I can assume its rules are somewhat similar. And considering that Ansem was once trapped in the realm of in-between, yet escaped with relative ease(he was definitely not there as long as Aqua was in the Realm of Darkness) that leads me to believe that the Realm of In-between is possibly much smaller than the realm of Darkness. Either that, or the flow of time is much more erratic there, so distance has less meaning.

 

On an unrelated note, I also find it quite likely that Ansem escaped from the realm of in-between much in the same way as Sora and Riku did, by eventually finding the border, and his "light within the darkness" as you put it, and somehow escaping using that. I can't say for sure what that was, but this IS just a theory after all.

Edited April 8, 2014 by Arcmin

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Regardless, that doesn't change the fact that both pairs of people wound up on the edges of their respective Realms. Considering how huge these places are supposed to be(Like Kuno said, the dark realm alone is theorized to be at least as big as the realm of light) I still find it to be a rather significant coincidence that all 4 characters made it to that border.

 

As Nomura stated that time flows "differently" in the Realm of Darkness, I think that may have something to do with it. Perhaps the Dark Coastline is the final destination for people in the realm of darkness, no matter what, and no matter what direction you go, you always end up there in the end as it's the edge of the realm itself. Perhaps for that reason time itself has little consequence for people before they make it there, as there is no other "end" to your time in the realm then that.

 

Less has been shown about the realm of in-between, but I can assume its rules are somewhat similar. And considering that Ansem was once trapped in the realm of in-between, yet escaped with relative ease(he was definitely not there as long as Aqua was in the Realm of Darkness) that leads me to believe that the Realm of In-between is possibly much smaller than the realm of Darkness. Either that, or the flow of time is much more erratic there, so distance has less meaning.

 

On an unrelated note, I also find it quite likely that Ansem escaped from the realm of in-between much in the same way as Sora and Riku did, by eventually finding the border, and his "light within the darkness" as you put it, and somehow escaping using that. I can't say for sure what that was, but this IS just a theory after all.

 

 

1. AtW said he was there for the second time in the RoD- or so he says in Blank Points -which is confusing .. Secondly, that still doesn't change the fact they were not in the same spot as Sora and Riku like you said 

 

2. AtW was able to escape bc of this : Nomura:

 

There is one more method, the use of the "Dark Corridor". There are those who are on a fallen path, essentially not being on the path they should be. Only those who can be said to have a Dark existence or an In-between existence can make these doorways. On rare occasion those with particularly strong feelings or hatred, such as the case with Beast and DiZ and perhaps others like them can open these paths. However you must be careful when coming into contact with such darkness. As such, if you use these paths too often you will be completely swallowed by darkness. Sora has used these paths several times before, but the degree of frequency hasn't allowed the darkness to stain his heart, so you can think of the influential power of darkness as being dependent upon the strength of the persons heart.

 

3. Aqua took over 10 years to get to that point when Sora and Riku instantly arrived in little time after the final battle at their coast .It is certainly possible they never crossed paths since they weren't in the same places at the same times.  As for Riku and Mickey after KH1,it's also possible some other circumstances may have separated them for all we know if they came across anyone.

 

4..You are making a lot of assumptions. I'm going on facts. The dark margin isn't necessarily the realm of in-between . It's more like the border between those two areas just like Nomura says here ":It is not strictly part of the realm of darkness but rather what serves as the boundary line in between the dark and the in-between."The last battle took place in the realm of the in-between and then they left and were on the Dark margin .Two separate places. 

 

5. Sora and Riku escaped through the Door of Light.

 

 Also , I have pointed out that they do imply they know where Aqua is .. We just don't know how they know and if they know the correct place since they never say in detail like in this video on my other post :

On topic guys the secret ending to Re: Coded implies they might have figured out what happened to Aqua but it doesn't go into detail and say how they know .

 

 

http://youtu.be/lzCiqIG03Yo

Edited April 8, 2014 by Flaming Lea

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

What happens in the realm of darkness. Stays in the realm of darkness.

*Wipes forehead * phew

[Grotesquery 603]

1. AtW was cast into the RoD both times - not the in-between .. Secondly, that still doesn't change the fact they were not in the same spot as Sora and Riku like you said 

 

2. AtW was able to escape bc of this : Nomura:

 

There is one more method, the use of the "Dark Corridor". There are those who are on a fallen path, essentially not being on the path they should be. Only those who can be said to have a Dark existence or an In-between existence can make these doorways. On rare occasion those with particularly strong feelings or hatred, such as the case with Beast and DiZ and perhaps others like them can open these paths. However you must be careful when coming into contact with such darkness. As such, if you use these paths too often you will be completely swallowed by darkness. Sora has used these paths several times before, but the degree of frequency hasn't allowed the darkness to stain his heart, so you can think of the influential power of darkness as being dependent upon the strength of the persons heart.

 

3. Aqua took over 10 years to get to that point when Sora and Riku instantly arrived in little time after the final battle at their coast .It is certainly possible they never crossed paths since they weren't in the same places at the same times.  As for Riku and Mickey after KH1,it's also possible some other circumstances may have separated them for all we know if they came across anyone.

 

4..You are making a lot of assumptions. I'm going on facts. The dark margin isn't necessarily the realm of in-between . It's more like the border between those two areas just like Nomura says here ":It is not strictly part of the realm of darkness but rather what serves as the boundary line in between the dark and the in-between."The last battle took place in the realm of the in-between and then they left and were on the Dark margin .Two separate places. 

 

5. Sora and Riku escaped through the Door of Light.

 

 Also , I have pointed out that they do imply they know where Aqua is .. We just don't know how they know and if they know the correct place since they never say in detail like in this video on my other post :

1. Really? I could have sworn the secret Ansem reports specifically said he was banished to the Realm of Nothingness. Granted, that doesn't make me right, but at the same time, I would like to know if this was just another name for the RoD or if Nomura somehow ret-conned it. Of course, I could be completely wrong in all areas regardless.

 

2. That makes more sense. But was it ever confirmed that that was the specific way he escaped? Of course, it makes more sense for him to have escaped using the Dark Corridor considering the revenge scheme he had been plotting in the Realm of Darkness, but still.

 

3. Of course, there are a lot of uncertainties in Kingdom Hearts because in my eyes, so much of it depends on circumstance. Not all of it and not to everyone, but a lot of it is hard for ME to pin-point due to its very non-linear, thematic style.

 

4. *ARCMIN'S SELF ESTEEM HARSHLY FELL*

Just kidding. Sorry if I was coming off as a bit theoretical there, they were just random thoughts that popped into my mind. And honestly, what else am I supposed to rely on when there's so much exposition of these facts out there that I have yet to discover? Oh, and I didn't mean to imply that the realm of in-between was the Dark Margin. I was trying to say that it was the border of both the Realm of In-between and the Realm of Darkness. (Quick question, is the realm of in-between the same as the realm of nothingness? I was always led to believe that the realm Xemnas transported Sora and Riku to at the climax of Kingdom Hearts 2 was the "Realm of Nothingness" and the Realm of In-Between was the realm between the light realm and the dark realm. Or, are they one and the same? And if so, what is Ansem referring to when he mentions "realm of nothingness" in his secret reports?)

 

5. Yeah, we can all agree upon that. Sorry of what I said made it sound anything to the contrary.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

1. Really? I could have sworn the secret Ansem reports specifically said he was banished to the Realm of Nothingness. Granted, that doesn't make me right, but at the same time, I would like to know if this was just another name for the RoD or if Nomura somehow ret-conned it. Of course, I could be completely wrong in all areas regardless.

 

2. That makes more sense. But was it ever confirmed that that was the specific way he escaped? Of course, it makes more sense for him to have escaped using the Dark Corridor considering the revenge scheme he had been plotting in the Realm of Darkness, but still.

 

3. Of course, there are a lot of uncertainties in Kingdom Hearts because in my eyes, so much of it depends on circumstance. Not all of it and not to everyone, but a lot of it is hard for ME to pin-point due to its very non-linear, thematic style.

 

4. *ARCMIN'S SELF ESTEEM HARSHLY FELL*

Just kidding. Sorry if I was coming off as a bit theoretical there, they were just random thoughts that popped into my mind. And honestly, what else am I supposed to rely on when there's so much exposition of these facts out there that I have yet to discover? Oh, and I didn't mean to imply that the realm of in-between was the Dark Margin. I was trying to say that it was the border of both the Realm of In-between and the Realm of Darkness. (Quick question, is the realm of in-between the same as the realm of nothingness? I was always led to believe that the realm Xemnas transported Sora and Riku to at the climax of Kingdom Hearts 2 was the "Realm of Nothingness" and the Realm of In-Between was the realm between the light realm and the dark realm. Or, are they one and the same? And if so, what is Ansem referring to when he mentions "realm of nothingness" in his secret reports?)

 

5. Yeah, we can all agree upon that. Sorry of what I said made it sound anything to the contrary.

 

 

1-  Well  AtW himself states it's his second time there( on the shore of the RoD )in Blank points. However I do think it was certainly possible that he was initially banished to the realm of Nothingness but ended up in the RoD since he does escape from the RoD the first time he was banished so that part is very confusing to think about bc he contradicts himself so let's just say either AtW is confused or this was retconned along the ways. Or maybe that's just what AtW initially called the RoD  Or even that he at first did not know much about where he was initially but after 'researching ' during his revenge plan he became more knowledgeable about where he was /went. A post game famitsu interview also says it was the RoD:

 

"At one point in 'KHI', Ansem the Wise escapes from the world of darkness. This time he has once again descended into the world of darkness."

 

 

2- Pretty much. 

 

4- Xemnas DID transfer them to the realm of Nothingness but It's basically either part of the realm or closely related to the in- between I should say . Just like TWTNW was an in-between world and the final battle started there and ended up where Xemnas brought them. 

 

5- Don't sweat this stuff because Nomura retcons and also writes this shit as he goes so it's too hard for some people to keep up with stuff when he keeps on retconning important plot points  

Edited April 8, 2014 by Flaming Lea

[Grotesquery 603]

5- Don't sweat this stuff because Nomura retcons and also writes this shit as he goes so it's too hard for some people to keep up with stuff when he keeps on retconning important plot points  

And I am beyond impressed that you manage to keep up with this stuff given such criteria. You probably know the material better then Nomura himself, at this point.

 

Anyways, thanks for your time, and thanks for helping me understand a few of these blank points.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

And I am beyond impressed that you manage to keep up with this stuff given such criteria. You probably know the material better then Nomura himself, at this point.

 

Anyways, thanks for your time, and thanks for helping me understand a few of these blank points.

 

You are welcome and thanks.. There are some things that just are not discussed in detail much like the Nothingness so you just got to go with what little info you have

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

 Nope . Two different spots :

Presently there are 4 main untold stories to consider: "the period of the King's absence", "the period of Riku's absence", "Roxas's time in Organization XIII" and "Xehanort's past". In this case, the story of "the period of the King's absence" is set in the realm of darkness. I am examining a way to tell these 4 stories so I might be able to find a way to tell them soon.

What can be called the dark coastline seen at the beginning and end of KHII is the tip of a world. It is not strictly part of the realm of darkness but rather what serves as the boundary line in between the dark and the in-between. In the ending, Sora and Riku were on the coast on the in-between side and were looking at the sea of the realm of darkness. The door visible in the dark sea is a scene that symbolizes "Deep within the darkness, there is light", as Sora said in the previous KH.

 

 

Well, two of these stories have already been told, Another or possibly both the remaining mysteries were to be solved in BbSv2, but with the shelving of that project, the resolution not to make any more side gamed before KHIII, and the Xehanort Saga coming to a close, I'm worried those stories my never be told.I hope he makes BbSv2 and whatever game solves the riddle of "the period of Riku's absence" before KH IV.

 

@ Flaming Lea and Arcmin: As for the Dark Margin, like Flaming Lea said, Nomura said the the Dark Margin is the border between the RoD and the Realm In-between and that AtW and Aqua ended up on the Dark side and Sora and Riku ended up on the In-Between side. I took this to mean that there are two Dark Margins, Like two shores on different sides of an ocean that are somehow physically identical. Though I do like the idea of people lost in the RoD being drawn to a specific location. Both are possible. Depending on what side you enter from, you could be drawn to the Dark Margin on either the Dark or In-Between side.

As for AtW being trapped in the Realm of Nothingness. After Blank Point I figured that that was what he initially called the RoD because, to his eyes, there was nothing there. Hard to see anything when there's no light.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Well, two of these stories have already been told, Another or possibly both the remaining mysteries were to be solved in BbSv2, but with the shelving of that project, the resolution not to make any more side gamed before KHIII, and the Xehanort Saga coming to a close, I'm worried those stories my never be told.

I hope he makes BbSv2 and whatever game solves the riddle of "the period of Riku's absence" before KH IV.

 

@ Flaming Lea and Arcmin: As for the Dark Margin, like Flaming Lea said, Nomura said the the Dark Margin is the border between the RoD and the Realm In-between and that AtW and Aqua ended up on the Dark side and Sora and Riku ended up on the In-Between side. I took this to mean that there are two Dark Margins, Like two shores on different sides of an ocean that are somehow physically identical. Though I do like the idea of people lost in the RoD being drawn to a specific location. Both are possible. Depending on what side you enter from, you could be drawn to the Dark Margin on either the Dark or In-Between side.

As for AtW being trapped in the Realm of Nothingness. After Blank Point I figured that that was what he initially called the RoD because, to his eyes, there was nothing there. Hard to see anything when there's no light.

 

Yeah I'm hoping for at least some flashback scenes in KH3 to fill us in on those missed stories but the main reason I posted that Nomura quote was to describe the Dark Margin . We know that two of these stories have already been made since this quote is old but yeah i was just quoting the entire paragraph he said it in

 

As for them being drawn to the shores, it is a neat concept but obviously at this point still just a concept.

 

 As for what you said about Ansem , I agree that this might be the case and that's why I listed it as one of the options for the contradiction when i said "Or maybe that's just what AtW initially called the RoD  Or even that he at first did not know much about where he was initially but after 'researching ' during his revenge plan he became more knowledgeable about where he was /went.". It does make sense .

[AuraAce 1,126]

Aqua is trapped in the Realm of Darkness right now, she was apparently helping worlds like Castle of Dreams which had fallen into darkness and needed to be saved, this means that Aqua was still in the Realm of Darkness when Sora and Riku were stranded there. Sora and Riku escaped because Kairi sent them a bottle with a note which filled them with Hope which led to the Door to Light opening. Maybe Aqua needs a letter from Terra or Ven to give her hope and Open the Door to Light, also Lea can still summon Dark Corridors which means he may be able to get to Aqua that way. There is a world of possibilities.

[KH4Real 749]

RoD may be a planet it may be even eternal.