The "New" Organization?

[Ruby Rose 8,591]

Intreviews = canon fact unless Nomura himself decides to retcon . He doesn't retcon EVERYTHING or there would never be any canon storyline at all.

Games = canonInterviews can be discussions about or elaborations on canon, but this isn't always the case

Just don't think about it to hard. Then you shouldn't have a problem.

I never think too hard

Which is why I hate TT - technically there could be a bazillion Xehanorts if you think about this and this possibility has never been addressed but if it was a feasible option you would think he wouldn't need to go after the apprentices or Riku or Roxas or Sora. He could just use all Xehanorts. But he does not do that so we don't know exactly. However , we don't know who the other 6 hooded figures are .

The other six are:1. Winnie the Pooh2. Pence3. Kairi's Gandmother4. Terra5. John6. That NPC from Traverse Town who lost his heart in front of Sora in the first game, yet stood by the door to the 3rd District and ran the Accessory Shop thereafter

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Games = canonInterviews can be discussions about or elaborations on canon, but this isn't always the case

 

Nope both interviews and in game material are both considered canon . If the creator himself says this is fact it is fact no matter what you are trying to say here .Things discussed in interviews are usually facts that Nomura elaborates on further or helps explain further for people who missed it in game . LMAO@ saying Nomura's words aren't canon - he is the only one who truly knows .

[Nick Sideris 1,551]

The other six are:1. Winnie the Pooh2. Pence3. Kairi's Gandmother4. Terra5. John6. That NPC from Traverse Town who lost his heart in front of Sora in the first game, yet stood by the door to the 3rd District and ran the Accessory Shop thereafter

I am sure that one of them is John .

[Ruby Rose 8,591]

Nope both interviews and in game material are both considered canon . If the creator himself says this is fact it is fact no matter what you are trying to say here .Things discussed in interviews are usually facts that Nomura elaborates on further or helps explain further for people who missed it in game . LMAO@ saying Nomura's words aren't canon - he is the only one who truly knows .

Not all interviews are canon- just read the one Jim found

I am sure that one of them is John .

Of this I have no doubt

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Not all interviews are canon- just read the one Jim found

 

 

All NOMURA'S REAL interviews are . Jim's was obviously a joke.

[Nick Sideris 1,551]

All NOMURA'S REAL interviews are . Jim's was obviously a joke.

Indeed . I almost fell for it though ....

[Ruby Rose 8,591]

All NOMURA'S REAL interviews are . Jim's was obviously a joke.

You obviously care more about this than me, I'm just messing with ya at this pointInterviews only go so far though, you have to take what they say with a grain of salt since, as you pointed out, they can "retcon" (I dunno what that means but I'm assuming they correct a previous statement)- anyway, they can retcon any previous interview. With that logic, not "all" interviews are canon as you just said since they can be corrected later, they're only canon until said otherwise meaning your earlier post was correct rather than your newest one- don't let your emotions change your reasonable argument into absolutes

Interviews = canon fact unless Nomura himself decides to retcon . He doesn't retcon EVERYTHING or there would never be any canon storyline at all.

^This was much more logical than "ALL NOMURA'S REAL interviews are"

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

You obviously care more about this than me, I'm just messing with ya at this pointInterviews only go so far though, you have to take what they say with a grain of salt since, as you pointed out, they can "retcon" (I dunno what that means but I'm assuming they correct a previous statement)- anyway, they can retcon any previous interview. With that logic, not "all" interviews are canon as you just said since they can be corrected later, they're only canon until said otherwise meaning your earlier post was correct rather than your newest one- don't let your emotions change your reasonable argument into absolutes ^This was much more logical than "ALL NOMURA'S REAL interviews are"

 

I care about facts not jokes when in serious discussion .With your logic even in game material isn't canon since that is easily retconned the most . ( and you claimed only in game is canon )That means nothing is fact using your logic which clearly isn't true .Like I said, Nomura does not retcon everything or change everything . It's only a retcon when it's MADE a retcon .Don't let your illogical babble cloud your judgement here. A given fact is a fact until otherwise stated . At the moment it is stated it's still CANON fact .

 

If you don't even know the definition of retcon you shouldn't be arguing that case to begin with . Also you are totally missing my point when i say all interviews are canon - they are until something is retconned .And usually when they are retconned - it's by an open ended concept that Nomura used to retcon something meaning he used a loophole so he isn't necessarily contradicting himself.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Flaming Lea

[Ruby Rose 8,591]

I care about facts not jokes when in serious discussion .With your logic even in game material isn't canon since that is easily retconned the most . That means nothing is fact using your logic which clearly isn't true .Like I said, Nomura does not retcon everything or change everything . It's only a retcon when it's MADE a retcon .Don't let your illogical babble cloud your judgement here. A given fact is a fact until otherwise stated . If you don't even know the definition of retcon you shouldn't be arguing that case to begin with

Exactly, your earlier comment was correct- you started using absolutes 'cuse you were losing your cool so I just wanted to point that outAs I read a day or two ago, "Don't argue with a fool- those who are watching won't be able to tell the difference" or something like that @.@Anyway, we both agree "a given fact is a fact until otherwise stated", as evidenced by my saying "Interviews only go so far though, you have to take what they say with a grain of salt since, as you pointed out, they can "retcon" (I dunno what that means but I'm assuming they correct a previous statement)- anyway, they can retcon any previous interview."If we both agree, I don't see what else there is to discuss

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Exactly, your earlier comment was correct- you started using absolutes 'cuse you were losing your cool so I just wanted to point that outAs I read a day or two ago, "Don't argue with a fool- those who are watching won't be able to tell the difference" or something like that @.@Anyway, we both agree "a given fact is a fact until otherwise stated", as evidenced by my saying "Interviews only go so far though, you have to take what they say with a grain of salt since, as you pointed out, they can "retcon" (I dunno what that means but I'm assuming they correct a previous statement)- anyway, they can retcon any previous interview."If we both agree, I don't see what else there is to discuss

 

Looks the only fool here is you and that was uncalled for especially since you often don't know your facts.  I always stated it is canon UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE since Nomura does not retcon EVERYTHING .Can you not read or comprehend when you read?IN OTHER WORDS- EVEN AT THE TIME THE INTERVIEW WERE CANON BC IT WASN"T RETCONNED YET. Also , in game content is wayyyy more retconned than interviews since in interviews he uses some open ended concepts that allow future retcons. If you look back in past interviews there were clues and open ended answers that allowed this so one could argue it wasn't totally a retcon but in game it sure was since the loophole wasn't expounded on in game like in interviews.

 

We differ in the fact that it is common knowledge interviews are considered canon fact which you claim isn't true simply bc there is a remote possibility it could be retconned . Which everything isn't .Then you contradict yourself by saying in game is canon when most retcons are in game compared to interviews.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Flaming Lea

[Ruby Rose 8,591]

Looks the only fool here is you and that was uncalled for especially since you often don't know your facts.  I always stated it is canon UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE since Nomura does not retcon EVERYTHING .Can you not read or comprehend when you read?IN OTHER WORDS- EVEN AT THE TIME THE INTERVIEW WERE CANON BC IT WASN"T RETCONNED YET. Also , in game content is wayyyy more retconned than interviews since in interviews he uses some open ended concepts that allow future retcons. Case in point - nobodies not having hearts . If you look back in past interviews there were clues and open ended answers that allowed this so one could argue it wasn't totally a retcon but in game it sure was since the loophole wasn't expounded on in game like in interviews. We differ in the fact that it is common knowledge interviews are considered canon fact which you claim isn't true simply bc there is a remote possibility it could be retconned . Which everything isn't .Then you contradict yourself by saying in game is canon when most retcons are in game compared to interviews.

I WAS THE FOOL!! Lol I thought it was implied since I didn't know what retcon is- jeez my bad xDxAnyway, Nomura's said a lot of stuff over the years so I'm skeptical at best about interviews, but I consider the games canon- that's my position, you don't have to agree with it and I don't gotta agree with yours- to each their own, but I'm fairly certain we agree on the discussion

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Exactly, your earlier comment was correct- you started using absolutes 'cuse you were losing your cool so I just wanted to point that outAs I read a day or two ago, "Don't argue with a fool- those who are watching won't be able to tell the difference" or something like that @.@Anyway, we both agree "a given fact is a fact until otherwise stated", as evidenced by my saying "Interviews only go so far though, you have to take what they say with a grain of salt since, as you pointed out, they can "retcon" (I dunno what that means but I'm assuming they correct a previous statement)- anyway, they can retcon any previous interview."If we both agree, I don't see what else there is to discuss

That doesn't really make sense. If you can agree that it is fact until retconned then how can you argue that the interviews are not viable sources of information. Just because he can retcon things doesn't mean he will and it doesn't change the validity of his words. He is the creator the series whatever he says is law until the moment he decides to change it. He does those interviews for a reason.You can't always rely on in game content because certain things are not clear or even explained so we have the creators words to explain his reasoning. Edited February 7, 2014 by devereauxr

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I WAS THE FOOL!! Lol I thought it was implied since I didn't know what retcon is- jeez my bad xDxAnyway, Nomura's said a lot of stuff over the years so I'm skeptical at best about interviews, but I consider the games canon- that's my position, you don't have to agree with it and I don't gotta agree with yours- to each their own, but I'm fairly certain we agree on the discussion

 

 

I understand being skeptical since he does write this by the seat of his pants no doubt .However, interviews are considered canon fact just like in game material is - but both can be retconned so it makes no sense for you to say you hold game content canon and not interviews when that contradicts itself especially since in  game material has been retconned WAY MORE .Your logic is contradictory.

[Demyx. 10,064]

I WAS THE FOOL!! Lol I thought it was implied since I didn't know what retcon is- jeez my bad xDxAnyway, Nomura's said a lot of stuff over the years so I'm skeptical at best about interviews, but I consider the games canon- that's my position, you don't have to agree with it and I don't gotta agree with yours- to each their own, but I'm fairly certain we agree on the discussion

a bit contradicting

[Ruby Rose 8,591]

I understand being skeptical since he does write this by the seat of his pants no doubt .However, interviews are considered canon fact just like in game material is - but both can be retconned so it makes no sense for you to say you hold game content canon and not interviews when that contradicts itself especially since in  game material has been retconned WAY MORE .Your logic is contradictory.

But logic is boring- life is more fun when Pence is the true Xehanort! ^^Anyway I don't care for interviews but that's just me- reality is how every individual perceives it or something @.@I never argue with anyone on this site, it's a slow day, I was just joking around at first but decided I wanted to give it a whirl- if you wanna talk logic I'm not the person for you, but this has been an entertaining debate to say the least

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

But logic is boring- life is more fun when Pence is the true Xehanort! ^^Anyway I don't care for interviews but that's just me- reality is how every individual perceives it or something @.@I never argue with anyone on this site, it's a slow day, I was just joking around at first but decided I wanted to give it a whirl- if you wanna talk logic I'm not the person for you, but this has been an entertaining debate to say the least

 

Nothing wrong with joking around- I do it often . But if i'm in a serious discussion logic is a must  

[_The Door To Light_ 1,507]

To their own points in the timeline.

[Ruby Rose 8,591]

Nothing wrong with joking around- I do it often . But if i'm in a serious discussion logic is a must  

That's why I avoid serious conversations xDBut Young Xehanort did build a raft- I must stand by my original post! ^^

[Kaweebo 3,617]

Return to human form? 

Honestly?

I think Namura's been tossing in a few religious things in KH, and maybe Kingdom Hearts is supposed to be taken as a force that rules fate and consquence.

That's my idea on it, anyway.

The entire world of Hunchback of Notre Dame revolves around Christianity, even if it's never explicitly stated in the game.

[Philip Ellwell 5,487]

The entire world of Hunchback of Notre Dame revolves around Christianity, even if it's never explicitly stated in the game.

Right down to the huge-ass statue of Jesus in the sanctuary of the church.....

[Aang 649]

Reading all this talk about "time travel" and such is giving me a migraine. 

[Waller-pearson 60]

what did i just read

[Nick Sideris 1,551]

what did i just read

A usual conversation .

[The Rocky Shoe 169]

What's an "origination"?

[Raziel 248]

 

Misquote

Edited February 8, 2014 by Raziel