To those who think Square Enix make sequels no fans asked for

[Sora96 17,256]

Square Enix stated they would be willing to create a direct sequel to FINAL FANTASY XIII, if the fans wanted it.

 

Motomu Toriyama has said in an interview with Famitsu, the main reason they decided to make a sequel is that there was demand throughout the world and because the development staff wanted to portray Lightning's character further, to give her a clear conclusion. This ended up not being the case, however, and Lightning's story was to be continued in the sequel LIGHTNING RETURNS: FINAL FANTASY XIII.

 

Thanks to The FINAL FANTASY Wiki.

 

FINAL FANTASY X wasn't originally planned to have a sequel, but after a strong fan reaction to the short story titled "Eternal Calm" included with FINAL FANTASY X International, the development team decided to continue the story in a sequel. Yoshinori Kitase has commented that at the time the development team was ready for a new challenge, and thought that creating a sequel to FINAL FANTASY X would be a kind of challenge they hadn't yet tried.

 

Thanks to The FINAL FANTASY Wiki.

 

 

[Dio Brando 5,810]

By demand....how many do they mean

 

Because anyone can say we made a sequel based on demand even if the number of demand isn't really that big

 

Trust me,when people demanded a sequel to X,they didn't demand turning it into Charlie's Angels the Japanese version which is basically X-2 in a nutshell

 

How did we went from the noble,humble and innocent Yuna that got sent on a journey with a horrible fate awaiting her....to THIS!!!!

 

 

Btw,I know it's Leblanc disguised as Yuna in the opening,but everything after that still applies

Edited February 6, 2014 by Metal Snake

[G-SANtos 105]

By demand....how many do they mean

Probably there was more demand in Japan. Do we even know anything about the Japanese fandom?

 

I know that in the Anglophone Pokémon SPECIAL fandom, the fans hate Kusaka going out of his way to make it so that only characters named after games get Pokédexes, but I don't know if the Japanese fandom also shares this opinion, and I would like to know how they feel about this.

 

Kriffix from PokéJungle also said the Japanese fandom is more skeptical about rumors than the Western fandom, but that's all I know.

Edited February 6, 2014 by G-SANtos

[Isaix 924]

It was probably a small minority of fans who asked for a FFXIII sequel considering how most people didn't like the game and there's also a big demand for a FFVII remake and we still don't have it,so demand is definitly not their no.1 reason for making XIII-2 and LR.

 

As for FFX,if people asked for a sequel,I'm pretty sure they didn't expect Yuna to be a singer.

[Sora96 17,256]

It was probably a small minority of fans who asked for a FFXIII sequel considering how most people didn't like the game and there's also a big demand for a FFVII remake and we still don't have it,so demand is definitly not their no.1 reason for making XIII-2 and LR.

 

As for FFX,if people asked for a sequel,I'm pretty sure they didn't expect Yuna to be a singer.

 

Square Enix have already said it's going to be hard to remake VII, making sequels to games like X and XIII is easy.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Square Enix have already said it's going to be hard to remake VII, making sequels to games like X and XIII is easy.

Hard yes but not too hard or impossible

 

making sequels for X and XIII is easy because they literally recycle models from the previous game so it won;t take that long for them to be creative

 

We could've got a FFVII remake at least in the end of 2012 or Q1 of 2013 if they weren't busy with the XIII sequels bullshit

 

Literally the FF7 remake is the most demanded Square Enix game ever aside from Kingdom Hearts 3

[Sora96 17,256]

Hard yes but not too hard or impossible

 

making sequels for X and XIII is easy because they literally recycle models from the previous game so it won;t take that long for them to be creative

 

We could've got a FFVII remake at least in the end of 2012 or Q1 of 2013 if they weren't busy with the XIII sequels bullshit

 

Literally the FF7 remake is the most demanded Square Enix game ever aside from Kingdom Hearts 3

 

And the team that made VII doesn't exist anymore.

 

People clearly wanted sequels for X and XIII so they made them.

 

On May 31, 2010, Yoichi Wada stated it would take longer than he is prepared to invest in a single project to be able to remake FINAL FNATASY VII. 

 

In May 2012 Tetsuya Nomura addressed the fans' demand for a FINAL FANTASY VII remake in a Famitsu interview by saying that newer games (such as FINAL FANTASY XV) take precedent over such projects, because the developers want to create new FINAL FANTASY games that can surpass peoples' expectations instead of remaking classics.

[NemesisSP 160]

It was probably a small minority of fans who asked for a FFXIII sequel considering how most people didn't like the game and there's also a big demand for a FFVII remake and we still don't have it,so demand is definitly not their no.1 reason for making XIII-2 and LR.

 

As for FFX,if people asked for a sequel,I'm pretty sure they didn't expect Yuna to be a singer.

How does one define "small minority" and "most people didn't like the game"? These both seem highly ignorant, not to mention arrogant, to what could possibly be a very large majority. Remember, it has been established that fans of a series who do hate a specific movie or game feel the bigger need to complain about it, often times to the point of overshadowing the majority of people who liked it because their responses were louder.

 

Let's also remember that over a million copies of the game was sold at launch and that the game was given positive reviews from most reviewers. To say that most people hated it would be untrue, because it wouldn't have had such a reception if it was largely disliked. You can go on a vast majority of sites that have reviewers and ratings from casual fans and you'll find that the majority are positive about the game.

 

So, while you can say a large amount of people didn't like it, obviously there was enough of a response that it got a sequel. Square Enix said they would do a sequel only if there was enough fan demand and several months later Final Fantasy XIII-2 was announced. If the audience wasn't there, then it wouldn't have happened.

 

As well, Kitase has said before that they would only do a Final Fantasy VII remake if everyone involved in the production came back for it. Considering that many of them are working on different games and many might have left the company, this would be very hard to do.

Edited February 7, 2014 by NemesisSP

[Sora96 17,256]

How does one define "small minority" and "most people didn't like the game"? These both seem highly ignorant, not to mention arrogant, to what could possibly be a very large majority. Remember, it has been established that fans of a series who do hate a specific movie or game feel the bigger need to complain about it, often times to the point of overshadowing the majority of people who liked it because their responses were louder.

 

Let's also remember that over a million copies of the was sold at launch and that the game was given positive reviews from most reviewers. To say that most people hated it would be untrue, because it wouldn't have had such a reception if it was largely disliked. You can go on a vast majority of sites that have reviewers and ratings from casual fans and you'll find that the majority are positive about the game.

 

So, while you can say a large amount of people didn't like it, obviously there was enough of a response that it got a sequel. Square Enix said they would do a sequel only if there was enough fan demand and several months Final Fantasy XIII-2 was announced. If the audience wasn't there, then it wouldn't have happened.

 

As well, Kitase has said before that they would only do a Final Fantasy VII remake if everyone involved in the production came back for it. Considering that many of them are working on different games and many might have left the company, this would be very hard to do.

 

Exactly, and the sequels sold fine.

 

He said that? Problem with that is that they couldn't even get that team to do the PC port in 1998 since the team was broken up straight after it's completion. And yep, many did the leave the company since they were contractors.

[NemesisSP 160]

This was years ago that Kitase said it, so if they decided to remake it, then that might have changed. However, remaking the game for the PS4 would still be a huge task, considering how many things in the game would need to be significantly expanded. Even in Crisis Core, a game that is very much as close as we'll get to a more HD Final Fantasy VII game, you are limited to where you would have to go because the extent of the locations you visited in both games have been expanded to a significant degree, even for the PSP. 

 

And let's remember that the game does have a large amount of places to visit. Is it really so hard to understand that they might not want to invest in the time it would take to make the kind of remake many are asking for?

[Sora96 17,256]

This was years ago that Kitase said it, so if they decided to remake it, then that might have changed. However, remaking the game for the PS4 would still be a huge task, considering how many things in the game would need to be significantly expanded. Even in Crisis Core, a game that is very much as close as we'll get to a more HD Final Fantasy VII game, you are limited to where you would have to go because the extent of the locations you visited in both games have been expanded to a significant degree, even for the PSP. 

 

And let's remember that the game does have a large amount of places to visit. Is it really so hard to understand that they might not want to invest in the time it would take to make the kind of remake many are asking for?

 

Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus will hopefully be remastered in HD.

[Isaix 924]

How does one define "small minority" and "most people didn't like the game"? These both seem highly ignorant, not to mention arrogant, to what could possibly be a very large majority. Remember, it has been established that fans of a series who do hate a specific movie or game feel the bigger need to complain about it, often times to the point of overshadowing the majority of people who liked it because their responses were louder.

 

Let's also remember that over a million copies of the game was sold at launch and that the game was given positive reviews from most reviewers. To say that most people hated it would be untrue, because it wouldn't have had such a reception if it was largely disliked. You can go on a vast majority of sites that have reviewers and ratings from casual fans and you'll find that the majority are positive about the game.

 

So, while you can say a large amount of people didn't like it, obviously there was enough of a response that it got a sequel. Square Enix said they would do a sequel only if there was enough fan demand and several months later Final Fantasy XIII-2 was announced. If the audience wasn't there, then it wouldn't have happened.

 

As well, Kitase has said before that they would only do a Final Fantasy VII remake if everyone involved in the production came back for it. Considering that many of them are working on different games and many might have left the company, this would be very hard to do.

Some people also hate FFXIII-2,but we don't hear as many complaints as the original XIII,the negative of XIII-2 doesn't overshadow the positive because XIII-2 is a better game.

 

Of course it sold well,it's Final Fantasy,people were excited to play the latest game in the serie.A lot of reviewers give good scores to games I dislike and bad scores to games that I really like,web site like IGN don't dictate if a game is good or bad,its just some random guys' opinions.And I think I've heard that XIII-2 sold less then half of copies XIII sold because a lot of people were disappointed by the original so they didn't care for it's sequel.

 

Sonic 06 is considered by many the worst game of all time,but despite that,it sold pretty well and there's a lot of people who really like the game.I bet a lot of people would like a sequel,dlc or patches to fix the game,but they are a minority and SEGA would never consider making a sequel to that game,that wouldn't make any sense.

[Sora96 17,256]

Some people also hate FFXIII-2,but we don't hear as many complaints as the original XIII,the negative of XIII-2 doesn't overshadow the positive because XIII-2 is a better game.

 

Of course it sold well,it's Final Fantasy,people were excited to play the latest game in the serie.A lot of reviewers give good scores to games I dislike and bad scores to games that I really like,web site like IGN don't dictate if a game is good or bad,its just some random guys' opinions.And I think I've heard that XIII-2 sold less then half of copies XIII sold because a lot of people were disappointed by the original so they didn't care for it's sequel.

 

Sonic 06 is considered by many the worst game of all time,but despite that,it sold pretty well and there's a lot of people who really like the game.I bet a lot of people would like a sequel,dlc or patches to fix the game,but they are a minority and SEGA would never consider making a sequel to that game,that wouldn't make any sense.

 

What are you trying to argue? The reality is there was clearly a lot of people who wanted sequels to X and XIII-2 so we got them and they did sell. X-2 and XIII-2 are two of the highest selling games in the series as both are in the top ten for total sales.

[Isaix 924]

What are you trying to argue? The reality is there was clearly a lot of people who wanted sequels to X and XIII-2 so we got them and they did sell. X-2 and XIII-2 are two of the highest selling games in the series as both are in the top ten for total sales.

FFX deserved a sequel I guess,but XIII didn't need one and its surprising that it got one considering that a lot of people didn't like it.Game like FFV,IX and VI  were also very well received but never got a sequel.I wonder what REALLY motivated SquareEnix to make a sequel to XIII and to me demand is definitly not the answer.

[Sora96 17,256]

FFX deserved a sequel I guess,but XIII didn't need one and its surprising that it got one considering that a lot of people didn't like it.Game like FFV,IX and VI  were also very well received but never got a sequel.I wonder what REALLY motivated SquareEnix to make a sequel to XIII and to me demand is definitly not the answer.

 

They've already said, there was enough demand for it, and they wanted to incorporate the feedback they couldn't incorporate into XIII.

[NemesisSP 160]

Some people also hate FFXIII-2,but we don't hear as many complaints as the original XIII,the negative of XIII-2 doesn't overshadow the positive because XIII-2 is a better game.

 

Of course it sold well,it's Final Fantasy,people were excited to play the latest game in the serie.A lot of reviewers give good scores to games I dislike and bad scores to games that I really like,web site like IGN don't dictate if a game is good or bad,its just some random guys' opinions.And I think I've heard that XIII-2 sold less then half of copies XIII sold because a lot of people were disappointed by the original so they didn't care for it's sequel.

 

Sonic 06 is considered by many the worst game of all time,but despite that,it sold pretty well and there's a lot of people who really like the game.I bet a lot of people would like a sequel,dlc or patches to fix the game,but they are a minority and SEGA would never consider making a sequel to that game,that wouldn't make any sense.

 

Okay, first off, when I said that reception was positive, I did not mean that it was just IGN or Gamespot who liked the game, I am talking about the people who aren't professional reviewers, who are just people who felt strongly about a game and decided to comment on it. Metacritic, IMDb, Gamefaqs, the user ratings for sites like Gamespot and IGN, you look through them and you'll see what I mean. The majority is in the positive end of the spectrum, meaning that the majority liked it. I'm not saying everyone loved it, I'm saying that the people who liked it outweigh the people who don't.

 

You may not have liked the game, that's fine, I'm not saying anything against it, I understand. What I'm trying to point out is that you may want to consider that most people liked it and in fact that perhaps the people who didn't are loudest about their dislike than the people who did. I also never said that IGN and others were the definitive source for the positive reception of the game, just pointing out the reception at the time, which everyone seems to forget. And people do forget that kind of stuff, especially with videos of people on youtube bashing the hell out of the games that they hate and their fans mimicking them. It does happen, on both sides of the spectrum, and denying it won't make it any less true.

 

And yes, the game might have sold less, but to be honest, that just means half the people didn't care for the first game not "the majority" as you said it. And it still sold very well, and was better received for the most part.

 

Also, on the subject of Sonic 06, while it is true that the game was also a financial success, the difference is that the critical reception was overall negative from both critics and players from the start, with fans of the game really being the ones in the minority on the issue. Final Fantasy XIII's was mixed to positive, with many gaming sites giving it various praises from story, gameplay, graphics, music and voice acting. Of those five things, Sonic '06 was only praised for the music, with the graphics being close to a positive reception. Another difference between the two is that Sonic 06 is universally to be a game riddled with bugs, control issues, camera problems and was overall considered to be unplayable. For the most part, aside from some things that critics didn't like, Final Fantasy XIII was agreed to be playable. 

 

Comparing these two together is not a good comparison because there is a huge difference in reception.

 

 

FFX deserved a sequel I guess,but XIII didn't need one and its surprising that it got one considering that a lot of people didn't like it.Game like FFV,IX and VI  were also very well received but never got a sequel.I wonder what REALLY motivated SquareEnix to make a sequel to XIII and to me demand is definitly not the answer.

 

A lot of people didn't like it, but as I pointed out, many more people do like it. And as Sora96 said, they wanted to incorporate stuff into the sequel fans wanted. VI can't have a sequel because it pretty much ends at a point where a sequel wouldn't be realistic, after all, magic is gone at the end and probably forever. IX didn't sell enough to warrant a sequel, despite being well recieved. And this might be a shock, but Final Fantasy V's reception was pretty mixed when it first came out. It's only lately, with a bit of help from Dissidia, that's FFV is gaining in popularity.

 

You may not want to accept it, but the fanbase was there, they wanted Final Fantasy XIII-2 and Square Enix gave it to them. And considering how good the game was, I'm not complaining about it. People like different things, they may see a game they didn't like get a sequel, but that doesn't mean that there isn't more people out there who did like the game and wanted the sequel and that's what me and Sora96 are trying to tell you.

Edited February 9, 2014 by NemesisSP

[Sendou Aichi 2,356]

Aren't there enough FFXIII alredy?

As for X, as long as it's a sequel, I have no intreast in it, if it's a prequel, then maybe.

[Sora96 17,256]

Aren't there enough FFXIII alredy?

As for X, as long as it's a sequel, I have no intreast in it, if it's a prequel, then maybe.

 

We aren't saying there's going to be another sequel to XIII since Square Enix have even said LIGHTNING RETURNS is the end. Simply explaining to people that plenty of fans did ask for the sequels, Square Enix has released.

 

Guess you won't be playing X-3 then. And we won't get a prequel to X, Square Enix said ten years ago they don't want to do a story about Auron, Jecht and Braska.