Really Smogon?Banning almost all the megas?

[Dio Brando 5,810]

I've just came back after hearing about more megas getting banned to Ubers by Smogon...and I facepalmed

 

I'm sorry,but Smogon's recent banning decisions are utterly stupid

 

More megas are on the verge of getting banned alongside the likes of Mega Gengar and Mega Lucario that are getting banned

 

First off,why the hell should Mega Gengar get banned???

 

I know the set most Mega Gengar use like a Shadow Tagged Perish Song with Substitute....but there are tons of counters for Mega Gengar

 

For one,Mega Gengar doesn't have Levitate,so he can't avoid Earthquake or Earth Power,not to mention that Gengar and his mega evolution are frail and can barely survive a super effective attack especially things like an Alakazam(without his mega evolution)or Excadrill

 

Also,just because Mega Lucario has Adaptability STAB boost doesn't mean he should be totally banned....

 

As I said for Mega Gengar,there are many other counters for Lucario,sure his Attack and Special attack are high,but it's still frail and can never survive a Sand Rush Excadrill or a Flame Wheel Mega Charizard Y or a Dragon Dance Mega Charizard X will destroy it

 

The only banning decision for Megas that they did right was banning Mega Kangaskhan to Uber as it was very fast with things like Sucker punch,being a normal type she has one weakness and a Power-up Punch set up can cause it to sweep an entire team and her ability Parental Bond is freakin broken

 

Smogon obviously want to go back to the Gen 5 meta game by almost banning all Mega Evolution...which an absolute whoreshit because if anything Mega Evolution helped the 6th Gen meta game

 

Don't just swing the ban hammer on any Mega evolution that proves to be useful without being broken.....Mega Gengar and Mega Lucario should've never been banned at all as both can be countered by many other Pokemon and both have low defensespecial defense

 

And before anyone tells me:Duuuuh you can ignore Smogon derp

 

Yeah maybe I can,but the problem is that almost everyone in the metagame are following smogon rules and tiers and expect everyone to do the same online otherwise they'll call you a cheater and ragequit

 

And in Showdown you can only play using Smogon rules

 

Seriously if Smogon kept this bullshit going,I'm gonna go to a different place where VGC rules are applied

Edited February 2, 2014 by Metal Snake

[OmegaForte 1,674]

>M-Gengar already banned

 

>No mention of suspects test instead of insta-bans procedure

 

>Another one of those "smogon gomna ban all/most megas" argument but...

 

>No mention of Deoxys-S and Genesect

 

>Can vote if one hits the 1400 mark

 

*yawn*

Edited February 2, 2014 by OmegaForte

[Dio Brando 5,810]

You know way too much about Pokemon. 

So what if I knew way too much about a series I like????

 

I know way too much about Final Fantasy,Super Smash Bros,Pokemon....etc,I'm a nerd and I'm proud of it

 

>No mention of suspects test instead of insta-bans procedure.>No mention of Deoxys-S and Genesect>Can vote if one hits the 1400 mark*yawn*

Deoxys Speed is going all over the place

 

Once he was uber,next he became OU,then UU and now he's back to Ubers.

 

Genesect could've been banned but really any Fire Type could destroy it just like Mega Scizor

Edited February 2, 2014 by Shana09

[Anonn0000 3,525]

Boooo! Come on, those mega pokemon werent just created not to be used....lol

[OmegaForte 1,674]

Boooo! Come on, those mega pokemon werent just created not to be used....lol

Same can be said about everything else banned by Smogon or TPC. Also ubers and free rated battles says hi; go there if you want to use them.

[Anonn0000 3,525]

Same can be said about everything else banned by Smogon or TPC.Also ubers and free rated battles says hi; go there if you want to use them.

Ahhhh...that is true I don't think i'd have the patience for all the eving for smogan battles, anyways....me and boredom do not work that well together lol and ev training can be boring DX rather just play with my riku plushie all day lol at least i can make cute poses and stuff

[Ruby Rose 8,591]

Back in the day we used a link cable to battle- we made our own rules

[Sora'sMum 352]

So what if I knew way too much about a series I like???? I know way too much about Final Fantasy,Super Smash Bros,Pokemon....etc,I'm a nerd and I'm proud of it AND STOP GOING OFF TOPIC BECAUSE THIS IS A TIER DISCUSSION NOT KNOWLEDGE DISCUSSION

Oh please, spare me the hysterics. I wasn't even rude. It's not like I care if you know a lot about Pokemon or not. It makes no difference to me.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Oh please, spare me the hysterics. I wasn't even rude. It's not like I care if you know a lot about Pokemon or not. It makes no difference to me.

What hysteric?,the last time you went off-topic on Sora96's thread every post got deleted

 

So please be on topic or don't bother

 

Also, if you didn't care why did you made that post in the first place

 

 

Same can be said about everything else banned by Smogon or TPC.Also ubers and free rated battles says hi; go there if you want to use them.

Free battles won't cut it if you want to battle competitively because there people are either using legendaries or their in-game team

 

I think I'm gonna follow either VGC or NuggetBridge rules if Smogon kept on the banning train

[Sora'sMum 352]

What hysteric?,the last time you went off-topic on Sora96's thread every post got deleted

 

So please be on topic or don't bother

 

Also, if you didn't care why did you made that post in the first place

I understand your distaste regarding the two banned mega-evolutions, and your arguments about how these pokemon can easily be defeated and are not overpowered seem to be valid (I trust your knowledge is accurate.) But perhaps not all members of the online pokemon battle world are as knowledgeable as you and therefore have a continuously difficult time facing the two banned pokemon. Furthermore, perhaps enough evidence of overpowered-ness, and/or complaints have been seen and therefore action was taken to best accommodate for the majority of users. 

Edited February 2, 2014 by Shana09

[Dio Brando 5,810]

I understand your distaste regarding the two banned mega-evolutions, and your arguments about how these pokemon can easily be defeated and are not overpowered seem to be valid (I trust your knowledge is accurate.) But perhaps not all members of the online pokemon battle world are as knowledgeable as you and therefore have a continuously difficult time facing the two banned pokemon. Furthermore, perhaps enough evidence of overpowered-ness, and/or complaints have been seen and therefore action was taken to best accommodate for the majority of users.

 

 

On topic:

 

There are lots people who knows waaaay more than I do and they're angry about Smogon's decisions

 

I stated that those banned Pokemon have so many counters that can destroy them

 

There is no reason to ban all Mega evolutions....just because Mega evolution changed the meta game doesn't mean that every Mega should be banned

Edited February 2, 2014 by Shana09

[Anonn0000 3,525]

I must say; Megas being banned MUST mean they're really powerful and stuff, i would bet....lol i'll be happy to use these pokemon when i get to play the games i'll probably use mega gardevoir the most i think since i wanted to be a fairy trainer and stuff anyways^^ plus i can turn swift into a fairy move anyways.

[OmegaForte 1,674]

What hysteric?,the last time you went off-topic on Sora96's thread every post got deletedSo please be on topic or don't botherAlso, if you didn't care why did you made that post in the first placeFree battles won't cut it if you want to battle competitively because there people are either using legendaries or their in-game teamI think I'm gonna follow either VGC or NuggetBridge rules if Smogon kept on the banning train

Tough luck then. It's not like OU and UU doesn't have legendaries, oh wait... Hahaha

I must say; Megas being banned MUST mean they're really powerful and stuff, i would bet....lol i'll be happy to use these pokemon when i get to play the games i'll probably use mega gardevoir the most i think since i wanted to be a fairy trainer and stuff anyways^^ plus i can turn swift into a fairy move anyways.

The reason why they are doing suspect tests, to see how the metagame does with and without M-Lucario, Genesect and Deoxys-S. M-Gardevoir is fine, if anything her speed is meh despite of the upgrade, and that horrible defense... Ugh. I'd still use her, but with good support or regular Gardevoir as support.Incoming Joker meme to summarize what I'm about to say; (doesn't apply to all, but most out there like FB)Smogon suspect tests legendaries, no one bats an eye. Smogon suspect tests a mega, everybody loses their minds!

[President Yoshi 313]

well its not like smogon stuff is followed by anyone.

so who gives

[Kodakliv 558]

Like I said before Smogon should be banned and the Pokemon tournaments shouldn't have any rules.

[Shulk 8,623]

Like I said before Smogon should be banned and the Pokemon tournaments shouldn't have any rules.

If Pokemon tournaments didn't have rules, everything would go to crap instantly. You'd have everyone using the same teams filled with Dialga, Darkrai, Arceus, or whatever the heck else they want to have. The rules are there to keep things fair, and to be honest, the Gamefreak rules are quite fair. I hate seeing someone use something like Dialga online because it shows zero skill or effort. I don't pay much attention to the Smogon rules these days since I'm more focused on the actual game than competitive play (Even though I want to get into competitive play), so I can't say much on those. However, I will say that there ARE some Pokemon that need to be banned from tournaments in order to keep things fair. It would suck to be completely sweeped by someone who just tossed out an overpowered Legendary and didn't need any strategy or thought to win.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Like I said before Smogon should be banned and the Pokemon tournaments shouldn't have any rules.

NO,there should be rules but an actual organized well-thought rules

 

Not a tantrum that lets them ban every single Pokemon on sight that proves to be useful

 

Mega Lucario and Mega Gengar are just the start

 

next thing you know they'll ban Mega Mawile,Mega Gyarados,Mega Ampharos....etc

 

It's a domino effect that simply starts once you push the first stone.

 

At least with VGC rules,only legendaries are banned and other Pokemon that proves to be actually broken

 

Garchomp got nerfed in Gen 6 thanks to fairy because he used to be banned in the Gen 5 VGC because of how broken he was

Edited February 2, 2014 by Metal Snake

[OmegaForte 1,674]

NO,there should be rules but an actual organized well-thought rules

 

Not a tantrum that lets them ban every single Pokemon on sight that proves to be useful

 

Mega Lucario and Mega Gengar are just the start

 

next thing you know they'll ban Mega Mawile,Mega Gyarados,Mega Ampharos....etc

 

It's a domino effect that simply starts once you push the first stone.

 

At least with VGC rules,only legendaries are banned and other Pokemon that proves to be actually broken

 

Garchomp got nerfed in Gen 6 thanks to fairy because he used to be banned in the Gen 5 VGC because of how broken he was

 

Fixed that for ya. Don't be like the many who overreact. If that were the case, why the firetruck hasn't Rotom-W been banned for the last 3 gens? FYI the thing was always top 10 used, hell it's still number one most used as of January statistics.

 

Garchomp was never banned in VGC. TPC never bans non-legends (not counting Chatot since they fear it's Chatter=cursing); they ban silly-willy Phoines, Regigigas, etc for that matter. 

 

*Plays broken record*

 

I don't care if M-Lucario gets the boot or not. Genensect is a mixed case scenario, and Deo-S can stay as it isn't as dominate as in 5th gen OU+defoggers that can't be taunted.

 

*Stops broken record*

 

If M-Lucario gets banned, it will do fine in ubers with it's base 112 speed as it outspeeds a good amount. Stolen from someone from Smogon...

 

It seems like MegaLucario

•_•)

( •_•)>⌐■-■

(⌐■_■)

Will need to adapt...

Edited February 3, 2014 by OmegaForte

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Fixed that for ya. Don't be like the many who overreact. If that were the case, why the firetruck hasn't Rotom-W been banned for the last 3 gens? FYI the thing was always top 10 used, hell it's still number one most used as of January statistics.

 

Garchomp was never banned in VGC. TPC never bans non-legends (not counting Chatot since they fear it's Chatter=cursing); they ban silly-willy Phoines, Regigigas, etc for that matter. 

 

*Plays broken record*

 

I don't care if M-Lucario gets the boot or not. Genensect is a mixed case scenario, and Deo-S can stay as it isn't as dominate as in 5th gen OU+defoggers that can't be taunted.

 

*Stops broken record*

 

If M-Lucario gets banned, it will do fine in ubers with it's base 112 speed as it outspeeds a good amount. Stolen from someone from Smogon...

 

It seems like MegaLucario

•_•)

( •_•)>⌐■-■

(⌐■_■)

Will need to adapt...

I've heard that Garchomp was banned in Gen5 for a while and I haven't seen a garchomp in VGC 2013 unless someone in the Junior tournament has been using it because I only watched Senior and Master

 

As for Mega Lucario in Ubers,what's gonna do to Psystrike Mega Mewtwo Y,Sacred Fire Ho-oh,Shadow Force Giratina and some others?

[OmegaForte 1,674]

I've heard that Garchomp was banned in Gen5 for a while and I haven't seen a garchomp in VGC 2013 unless someone in the Junior tournament has been using it because I only watched Senior and Master

 

As for Mega Lucario in Ubers,what's gonna do to Psystrike Mega Mewtwo Y,Sacred Fire Ho-oh,Shadow Force Giratina and some others?

 

Teammates says hi. Who the heck brings sweepers on something it can't scare off? 

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Teammates says hi. Who the heck brings sweepers on something it can't scare off? 

I never said I would bring him

 

I'm just mentioning some counters that M.Lucario might not be able to deal with