KH2 Why Xemnas can't use a keyblade

[MasterXemnas 2,285]

Been thinking, and I think I know why Xemnas wouldn't use a keyblade. It's more so that he couldn't.

 

Let me say why, then I'll explain. Riku was using his keyblade.

 

When Xehanort became a Nobody, he was in Terra's body. A Nobody is the shell left behind when someone becomes a Heartless, essentially, their body. So Xehanort's consciousness was in the Nobody, but not his heart. His heart became Ansem SoD. 

 

When Sora had Roxas created, some of Ventus' heart was left in Sora's body, influencing his look. But it also gave Roxas access to Ven's keyblade. Terra's heart would most likely be in Xemnas, staying with the body asleep. That would give Xemnas access to Terra's keyblade.

 

In KH1, Riku lost his keyblade to Sora. But later in the game, he is using a keyblade because of Ansem's influence. First it was a keyblade of darkness, but then he gets The Way to Dawn keyblade, which is considered a keyblade of light. Xehanort didn't have a keyblade of light. I believe because of Ansem SoD's influences to Riku, Riku became connected to Xemnas.

 

In Chain of Memories, Zexion says that the scent of Riku is almost identical to Xemnas. Some of Ansem's darkness was in Riku, which originated from Xemnas before he was a Nobody. 

 

In turn, Riku is using Terra's keyblade probably without knowing it. The look of The Way to Dawn might not only resemble Riku's conflict, but Terra's as well. And since Riku, in the end a being of light, is using Terra's keyblade. And while Riku has it, and earned it, Xemnas can't use it. Kind of how Sora's keyblade was Riku's and Riku got it back. But then Sora earned the keyblade, and it came back to him. Since Terra's keyblade is a keyblade of light, it saw that Riku was more fit to wield it than Xemnas.

 

I probably left some stuff out, so I'll just retort when people respond.

Edited December 11, 2013 by MasterXemnas

[Kaweebo 3,617]

I don't think Riku is connected to Xemnas. Ansem SOD is connected to Xemnas, and Riku is connected to Ansem. But Riku is not connected to Xemnas just because Ansem is. They only smell alike because Ansem and Xemnas are connected. I could be wrong there due to technical details, but idk. 

 

Also, it's been shown that beings can use multiple copies of the same Keyblade. Sora, Roxas and Xion were using three different versions of the Kingdom Key briefly during the events of CoM. So, I'd say that even if Riku is using Terra's Keyblade, Xemnas should still have access to the same weapon simply because he has Terra's heart. He simply isn't because he doesn't want to reveal his ties to a Keyblade wielder just yet. Retort away. 

Edited December 11, 2013 by Kaweebo

[MasterXemnas 2,285]

I don't think Riku is connected to Xemnas. Ansem SOD is connected to Xemnas, and Riku is connected to Ansem. But Riku is not connected to Xemnas just because Ansem is. They only smell alike because Ansem and Xemnas are connected. I could be wrong there due to technical details, but idk. 

 

Also, it's been shown that beings can use multiple copies of the same Keyblade. Sora, Roxas and Xion were using three different versions of the Kingdom Key briefly during the events of CoM. So, I'd say that even if Riku is using Terra's Keyblade, Xemnas should still have access to the same weapon simply because he has Terra's heart. He simply isn't because he doesn't want to reveal his ties to a Keyblade wielder just yet. Retort away. 

Fool. Roxas could have been using Ventus' keyblade as a primary keyblade while Sora used his own. But he could only dual wield while Sora was asleep. Xion never had a real keyblade. Having the same keychain doesn't mean it's the same keyblade.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Fool. Roxas could have been using Ventus' keyblade as a primary keyblade while Sora used his own. But he could only dual wield while Sora was asleep. Xion never had a real keyblade. Having the same keychain doesn't mean it's the same keyblade.

Nope Roxas was wielding Sora's at the same time and they shared it .Roxas awakened the ability to dual wield through Ven's heart after the trauma of Xion's death . Yes Xion's keyblade was fake . Roxas literally had Ven's heart sleeping inside him and that's why he looked like Ven and later could access his keyblade to dual wield . Nomura's words himself :

1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?

A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas� body, is Ventus� heart.

Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?

A: Because he can use both Sora�s and Ventus� keyblades.

 

Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus� as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield.

 

[picture: Roxas and Riku fighting]

 

Roxas awakens his ability to dual-wield with his will to not forget Xion who also wielded a keyblade.

 

 

VII - In KH, at the same time Sora became a Heartless Roxas was born and entered the Organization. So if that's the case, at that point in time at Castle Oblivion Sora used a Keyblade while at the same time Roxas would have been using a Keyblade. Was this Sora's Keyblade? Within the Organization I think we particularly saw Roxas using a Keyblade. And similar to Roxas, Sora served as another Keyblade Master conveniently gathering hearts. So why was the Organization defeated?

The Keyblade that Roxas used and the thing that Sora once lost in Castle Oblivion are the same thing. Furthermore, these two both used the Keyblade at the same time. This is can be explained by the relationship between Roxas and Sora. Thus, that both can wield two Keyblades in fact has an important meaning. This is also related to Xehanort's memories, but this point can't be touched on just yet.

Furthermore, from the time that the two were both using the Keyblade at the same time, the Organization itself was using Sora for their ultimate goal. Soon enough, each of the Organization's expectations differed. By changing Sora and Roxas's movements, eventually they became unable to use Sora for their true meaning. As a result, Sora became an obstacle to the movements of the Organization itself and he had to be defeated. But even if Sora were to be defeated, you could say there are other things to think about in making that sacrifice.

 

 

Nomura has said that Xemnas prolly could wield but just chose not to for reasons . After DDD you can see that he had many reasons to hide his true intentions. Anyways, Xemnas was a mix of both Xehanort and Terra so he was a 'special nobody " just like Roxas but in a different way . Both Ansem and Xemnas are both made from Terra and Xehanort  so they would both smell alike. In CoM they also refer to their boss being the only one besides Sora to keep human form as a heartless/walking heart. This is obviously refering to Ansem ..Riku eventually did earn his own separate keyblade after his heart was deemed worthy again but that doesn't mean it was Xehanorts or Terra's. .The keyblade ceremony doesn't pass down a specific keyblade - it just gives a recommendation for a keyblade to judge a heart worthy and eventually choose it's wielder .

Edited December 11, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[MasterXemnas 2,285]

 

Nope Roxas was wielding Sora's at the same time and they shared it .Roxas awakened the ability to dual wield through Ven's heart after the trauma of Xion's death . Yes Xion's keyblade was fake . Roxas literally had Ven's heart sleeping inside him and that's why he looked like Ven and later could access his keyblade to dual wield . Nomura's words himself :

1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?

A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas� body, is Ventus� heart.

Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?

A: Because he can use both Sora�s and Ventus� keyblades.

 

Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus� as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield.

 

[picture: Roxas and Riku fighting]

 

Roxas awakens his ability to dual-wield with his will to not forget Xion who also wielded a keyblade.

 

 

VII - In KH, at the same time Sora became a Heartless Roxas was born and entered the Organization. So if that's the case, at that point in time at Castle Oblivion Sora used a Keyblade while at the same time Roxas would have been using a Keyblade. Was this Sora's Keyblade? Within the Organization I think we particularly saw Roxas using a Keyblade. And similar to Roxas, Sora served as another Keyblade Master conveniently gathering hearts. So why was the Organization defeated?

The Keyblade that Roxas used and the thing that Sora once lost in Castle Oblivion are the same thing. Furthermore, these two both used the Keyblade at the same time. This is can be explained by the relationship between Roxas and Sora. Thus, that both can wield two Keyblades in fact has an important meaning. This is also related to Xehanort's memories, but this point can't be touched on just yet.

Furthermore, from the time that the two were both using the Keyblade at the same time, the Organization itself was using Sora for their ultimate goal. Soon enough, each of the Organization's expectations differed. By changing Sora and Roxas's movements, eventually they became unable to use Sora for their true meaning. As a result, Sora became an obstacle to the movements of the Organization itself and he had to be defeated. But even if Sora were to be defeated, you could say there are other things to think about in making that sacrifice.

 

 

Nomura has said that Xemnas prolly could wield but just chose not to for reasons . After DDD you can see that he had many reasons to hide his true intentions. Anyways, Xemnas was a mix of both Xehanort and Terra so he was a 'special nobody " just like Roxas but in a different way . Both Ansem and Xemnas are both made from Terra and Xehanort .Riku eventually did earn his own separate keyblade after his heart was deemed worthy again but that doesn't mean it was Xehanorts or Terra's. .The keyblade ceremony doesn't pass down a specific keyblade - it just gives a recommendation for a keyblade to judge a heart worthy and eventually choose it's wielder .

 

Fool. I just have this feeling deep down that Nomura is going to change his mind. I don't trust what he says outside the games.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Fool. I just have this feeling deep down that Nomura is going to change his mind. I don't trust what he says outside the games.

 

 

Well I'm just going by facts and you said retort away lol. Even if he did retcon anything , it's not a retcon till it's retconned. Until then it' canon fact.

[MasterXemnas 2,285]

Well I'm just going by facts and you said retort away lol. Even if he did retcon anything , it's not a retcon till it's retconned. Until then it' canon fact.

Fool. Retort all you want, that's why I made the thread. I was waiting for you to come and disprove me. I knew about the things you said, except the part where it was confirmed Sora and Roxas was using the same keyblade at the same time, that one slipped by me. What is retcon? This isn't an explanation for Kingdom Hearts currently, this is more speculation about how it's actually going to turn out. Speculation with a lot of hoping.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Fool. Retort all you want, that's why I made the thread. I was waiting for you to come and disprove me. I knew about the things you said, except the part where it was confirmed Sora and Roxas was using the same keyblade at the same time, that one slipped by me. What is retcon? This isn't an explanation for Kingdom Hearts currently, this is more speculation about how it's actually going to turn out. Speculation with a lot of hoping.

 

I was just saying that the things i pointed out are canon fact unless Nomura decides to change them later which would then make it a retcon ..Nothing wrong with speculating and discussing

[MasterXemnas 2,285]

I was just saying that the things i pointed out are canon fact unless Nomura decides to change them later which would then make it a retcon ..Nothing wrong with speculating and discussing

Fool. What is retcon?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Fool. What is retcon?

 When a stated established fact is changed later on to fit current plot changes by the creator basically.

[MasterXemnas 2,285]

 When a stated established fact is changed later on to fit current plot changes by the creator basically.

Fool. Gotcha.

[『R』 570]

Well I heard in a different post, that Xenmas had the power but denied it for some reason....

[MasterXemnas 2,285]

Well I heard in a different post, that Xenmas had the power but denied it for some reason....

Fool. For some reason? Lightsabers or a keyblade? The answer is obvious.

[『R』 570]

I would choose keyblade lol.