A new Roxas?

[mernag1 2]

If Ventus' heart found its way back to his body, and then Sora was turned into a heartless again, does that mean Sora's nobody(Roxas) will now look like Sora?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Yes bc the heart shapes the vessel and Ven's heart wouldn't be there anymore

[MasterXemnas 2,285]

Fool. What's that? In the distance. Vanitas?

[mernag1 2]

Fool. What's that? In the distance. Vanitas?

I guess he would look like Vanitas, maybe just a bit less evil-looking.

[MasterXemnas 2,285]

I guess he would look like Vanitas, maybe just a bit less evil-looking.

Fool. He would look like Sora.

[Neptune Vasilias 340]

In theory he should but Nomura could always throw in some new plot device and switch up

[Keyblade101 526]

That's an interesting question. I think he'll still look like Ven, though.

[lux 13]

Although we can see little differences it is stated  many time in the games tha Sora and Roxas look the same, so Roxas could be looking the same if he was recreated after Ven's heart is gone, since he would look like Sora that already has the same look as Roxas/Ventus

[Philip Ellwell 5,487]

If Ventus' heart found its way back to his body, and then Sora was turned into a heartless again, does that mean Sora's nobody(Roxas) will now look like Sora?

[MasterXemnas 2,285]

Fool. Ooh, what if it looked like a mix between Ven and Sora?

[TheWayToDawn 775]

Well look at Kairi's nobody Namine.... why does Namine look different? But that is a good question, I don't think there'll be a new Roxas though, but it would be weird to hear Roxas' voice coming from Sora's mouth though XDDD

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

I'm going to have to go with...NO. It's Ven's heart that's in Roxas but that's no guarantee that Roxas won't ever look the way he is now. Just because his body looks like Ven's doesn't mean it is Ven's, both of their bodies exist simultaneously. Also, consider the fact that both Ventus AND Roxas now live withing Sora's heart. If they Sora is "all together" right now, that would mean that Roxas would have to stop looking like Ventus because they are both together within Sora. Also, consider the fact that Xemnas revealed that with time, a Nobody could reform a heart, meaning that even if Roxas has to relinquish the heart he has to Ventus, he would STILL have a heart of his own eventually. And his appearance was determined by Ven's heart, it isn't necessarily maintained by it. Namine doesn't look exactly like anybody we've seen (though I'm going with a Kairi + Sora + a dash of Ven theory at the moment until proven otherwise...), but she will always look like that no matter what happens to her, good or bad. Roxas's appearance isn't borrowed, it's replicated. I don't know this as a fact, but I'm confident with my hypothesis and will stick with it until Nomura states and proves otherwise.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?
A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas� body, is Ventus� heart.

As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus� heart are linked (P.646). And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus.

 

The only reason Roxas looked like Ven was bc of Ven's heart so if you take away Ven's heart Roxas would've looked like Sora. However, Nomura did say Ven, Sora, and Roxas were all meant to look like each other in a sense. He even changed Roxas' look in KH2FM to make him look more like Sora but with blonde hair.

 

Well look at Kairi's nobody Namine.... why does Namine look different? But that is a good question, I don't think there'll be a new Roxas though, but it would be weird to hear Roxas' voice coming from Sora's mouth though XDDD

 Well Namine was an anomoly to begin with really- she breaks all the rules of a nobody yet at the same time is the very definition of one- she shouldn't exist . She doesn't even have a physical body .

[SorrowSurvivor 191]

Well look at Kairi's nobody Namine.... why does Namine look different? But that is a good question, I don't think there'll be a new Roxas though, but it would be weird to hear Roxas' voice coming from Sora's mouth though XDDD

 

Well Namine was an anomoly to begin with really- she breaks all the rules of a nobody yet at the same time is the very definition of one- she shouldn't exist . She doesn't even have a physical body .

 

 Kairi's heart is pure so when she lost her heart a nobody wasn't created cause she had no darkness but when Sora stabbed Kairi's and his heart out,  Sora's darkness created Namine and Roxas both with influence from Ventus' heart. Ven is the same as Kairi and can't create a nobody cause Vanitus is all of his darkness.

 

Though why Vantis looks like Sora is confusing since Ven already lost his darkness at the beginning of BBS before reaching Destiny Islands

 

So basically Roxas' mom is Sora and his dad is Ventus

                    Namine's mom is Kairi and dad is Ventus but Kairi can't give birth so Dr.AnsemSoD moved the fetus into Sora to give birth

 

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

 

 

 

 Kairi's heart is pure so when she lost her heart a nobody wasn't created cause she had no darkness but when Sora stabbed Kairi's and his heart out,  Sora's darkness created Namine and Roxas both with influence from Ventus' heart. Ven is the same as Kairi and can't create a nobody cause Vanitus is all of his darkness.

 

Though why Vantis looks like Sora is confusing since Ven already lost his darkness at the beginning of BBS before reaching Destiny Islands

 

So basically Roxas' mom is Sora and his dad is Ventus

                    Namine's mom is Kairi and dad is Ventus but Kairi can't give birth so Dr.AnsemSoD moved the fetus into Sora to give birth

 

 

 When Kairi's heart left to hide in Sora she didn't create a nobody. She can't form a HEARTLESS bc she has no darkness. However, when Sora later released his and Kairi's hearts, Roxas and Namine were both born. Roxas kept Vens heart though bc Ven's heart wasnt released- it stayed in Sora's physical body ( roxas ) Namine was born from Sora releasing Kairi's heart but used Sora's body. So technically she is made from both Kairi and Sora. One can theorize Ven gave her the blonde hair but its just speculation . 

 

Ven cannot create a nobody bc :  

 

He never lost his heart - it was just seeking refuge like Kairi's did in Sora- which is why Kairi didnt form a nobody when her heart left to hide in Sora. Namine wasnt formed till later on when Sora released their hearts

 

Vanitas looks like Sora bc Sora saved Ven's heart twice- as a newborn and at 4 . That link and connection gave Vanitas Sora;s appearance as explained by Nomura himself :

 

 

How did you decide on the design for their faces?

 

Nomura: Well Terra�s look was already a decided thing, we just had to make him look a bit younger. I knew that Ventus should look either like Sora or Roxas, and I wasn�t sure which one to go with, but I thought Vanitas looking like Sora would have a bigger impact so I had Ventus look like Roxas instead. And there is a reason that Vanitas looks like Sora. As Sora filled in Ventus� fractured heart, the fractured part (Vanitas) was effected by Sora and ended up with Sora�s face. So if it had been Riku who had filled in Ventus� heart, Vanitas would have looked like Riku.

Edited October 22, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[Demyx. 10,064]

 

 

 

 Kairi's heart is pure so when she lost her heart a nobody wasn't created cause she had no darkness but when Sora stabbed Kairi's and his heart out,  Sora's darkness created Namine and Roxas both with influence from Ventus' heart. Ven is the same as Kairi and can't create a nobody cause Vanitus is all of his darkness.

 

Though why Vantis looks like Sora is confusing since Ven already lost his darkness at the beginning of BBS before reaching Destiny Islands

 

So basically Roxas' mom is Sora and his dad is Ventus

                    Namine's mom is Kairi and dad is Ventus but Kairi can't give birth so Dr.AnsemSoD moved the fetus into Sora to give birth

 

 

I believe you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Zidane Kuja 3]

i think Namine was born from both Kairi and sora ergo thats why only sora was effected by namine more than Kairi,

even tho kairi did forget about sora i believe that because she shared the heart she always knew that he was there on the islands unlike all those who forgotten about sora, so this means Roxas was initially made to resemble Sora but because of Ventus slumbering inside sora crafting the union between the both of them

Ventus identity took over roxas's true form allowing roxas to resemble ventus,but still having sora's memories and Feelings  powering his emotions.

 

as for a new roxas,if ventus is ever able to reassemble his lost heart and awaken i do believe this time Roxas would be exactly as we saw in 358/2 days

when Xion took on sora's entire shape and form...just give sora a coat of organization XIII and he'll be the real roxas.

 

but maybe he'll have black hair due to xion being apart of his history and he'll look alot more like Vanitas.

i mean i hardly think lea put those Purple markings on his face just for show,right? maybe becoming a nobody gives you some small changes due to the characteristics in Some people when they become nobodies. and i really mean in SOME People. not everyone...just some

[SorrowSurvivor 191]

 When Kairi's heart left to hide in Sora she didn't create a nobody. She can't form a HEARTLESS bc she has no darkness. However, when Sora later released his and Kairi's hearts, Roxas and Namine were both born. Roxas kept Vens heart though bc Ven's heart wasnt released- it stayed in Sora's physical body ( roxas ) Namine was born from Sora releasing Kairi's heart but used Sora's body. So technically she is made from both Kairi and Sora. One can theorize Ven gave her the blonde hair but its just speculation . 

 

Ven cannot create a nobody bc :  

 

He never lost his heart - it was just seeking refuge like Kairi's did in Sora- which is why Kairi didnt form a nobody when her heart left to hide in Sora. Namine wasnt formed till later on when Sora released their hearts

 

Vanitas looks like Sora bc Sora saved Ven's heart twice- as a newborn and at 4 . That link and connection gave Vanitas Sora;s appearance as explained by Nomura himself :

 

 

How did you decide on the design for their faces?

 

Nomura: Well Terra�s look was already a decided thing, we just had to make him look a bit younger. I knew that Ventus should look either like Sora or Roxas, and I wasn�t sure which one to go with, but I thought Vanitas looking like Sora would have a bigger impact so I had Ventus look like Roxas instead. And there is a reason that Vanitas looks like Sora. As Sora filled in Ventus� fractured heart, the fractured part (Vanitas) was effected by Sora and ended up with Sora�s face. So if it had been Riku who had filled in Ventus� heart, Vanitas would have looked like Riku.

 

Ah, I had thought that the body became the heartless and the nobody born from nothingness BUT your right the body and soul becomes the nobody and is why nobodies have memories except Namine. So what you orignally is true, she shouldn't exist physically cause Roxas used Sora's body and why Ansem the Wise was fine with just destroying her. I guess they'll explain what she really is in KH3. It would be interesting if there were 6 other "Namines" of the princess since their hearts where a part of the process of removing the hearts from Sora  but who knows.

 

Thanks for posting the Interview, I was thinking that was why Vanitas looked that way but the timing seemed off.

 

Sorry for wasting your time

[Aqua7KH 5,395]

I'd say no, since really the only reason why Roxas looks the way he does is because Ven's heart was inside Sora. Now I believe some of Roxus' facial features have a part of Sora (where I'd say Roxas only has around 10% of Sora in his creation due to Ven). So if Ven's heart is gone from Sora, and he did turn into a heartless again, the nobody would look like Sora more as with Flaming Lea said.Now with Namine, she's kinda not a nobody, she's a very, very special case. Especially since Kairi is a princess of heart, she really can't have a nobody. They'res three reasons,1: Namine is the personification of the spell Aqua put on Kairi when she was a little girl (they'res a lovely article about this if anyone would like a link)2: Namine is a mixture of Sora, Ventus, AND Kairi as kinda with what Survivor said3: Namine is just simply a very special case, a miracle rather. She may or may even not be a Nobody. 

[SorrowSurvivor 191]

1: Namine is the personification of the spell Aqua put on Kairi when she was a little girl (they'res a lovely article about this if anyone would like a link)

 

Oh!, I've always wondered about that spell. I'd like a link please.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I'd say no, since really the only reason why Roxas looks the way he does is because Ven's heart was inside Sora. Now I believe some of Roxus' facial features have a part of Sora (where I'd say Roxas only has around 10% of Sora in his creation due to Ven). So if Ven's heart is gone from Sora, and he did turn into a heartless again, the nobody would look like Sora more as with Flaming Lea said.

 

Now with Namine, she's kinda not a nobody, she's a very, very special case. Especially since Kairi is a princess of heart, she really can't have a nobody. They'res three reasons,

1: Namine is the personification of the spell Aqua put on Kairi when she was a little girl (they'res a lovely article about this if anyone would like a link)

2: Namine is a mixture of Sora, Ventus, AND Kairi as kinda with what Survivor said

3: Namine is just simply a very special case, a miracle rather. She may or may even not be a Nobody. 

 

 

Namine is definitely an anomoly like I mentioned above. She's not even suppose to exist yet she does. It is confirmed that she was created from Kairi and Sora but it was never confirmed Ven had any part . That's just fan speculation although it does make sense .As for the spell ..this is what Nomura officially said :

 

Q6: Why did Kairi end up with Sora and Riku?

A: It has to do with Aqua�s �magic�.

 

Nine years before KH, Kairi was thrust into the outside world, and found herself on Sora and Riku�s world. Ansem Seeker of Darkness thought that she had been able to search for a keyblade wielder, but what actually saved her was the magic spell Aqua had put on her.

 

[picture: Little Kairi]

Aqua: �Someday your light will lead you to a light that will protect you from the darkness.�

 

The magic Aqua puts on Kairi saves her once year later.

 

[picture: Ansem Report]

 

Ansem Seeker of Darkness felt a special power within Kairi and tried to use her to find the keyblade.

 

 

Q7: Why can Kairi use a keyblade?

A: Because she was touched by Aqua�s keyblade.

 

The keyblade inheritance ceremony is performed with a keyblade master touches someone using a keyblade. When Kairi was running away from the Unversed in BbS she grabbed Aqua�s keyblade, which performed the ceremony. That is why she is able to use a keyblade in KHII to help Sora.

 

[picture: Little Kairi and Aqua]

 

Kairi touching Aqua�s keyblade.

 

[pictures: Kairi with keyblade, Aqua with keyblade]

 

The keyblade Kairi uses is the same with Aqua receives after talking to Kairi: Destiny Place.

 

 

 

I think the spell drew her heart to be connected and protected by Sora. 

 

There wasn't anything much more mentioned on that so is this article fan made ?

 

Oh!, I've always wondered about that spell. I'd like a link please.

 

 

Ah, I had thought that the body became the heartless and the nobody born from nothingness BUT your right the body and soul becomes the nobody and is why nobodies have memories except Namine. So what you orignally is true, she shouldn't exist physically cause Roxas used Sora's body and why Ansem the Wise was fine with just destroying her. I guess they'll explain what she really is in KH3. It would be interesting if there were 6 other "Namines" of the princess since their hearts where a part of the process of removing the hearts from Sora  but who knows.

 

Thanks for posting the Interview, I was thinking that was why Vanitas looked that way but the timing seemed off.

 

Sorry for wasting your time

 

Never a waste of time . Discussion is how you learn more As for if there would be more 'namines' , I don't think so based off that scene...But since Namine is such an exception we don't know everything there is to know about her except that she breaks all the rules of a nobody but yet is still considered one .

Edited October 23, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[Aqua7KH 5,395]

Oh!, I've always wondered about that spell. I'd like a link please.

I think this is the article. It might not be the one I saw, but I read one forever ago so I don't really remember.http://forums.khinsider.com/future-kingdom-hearts/149593-roxas-namine-revisted.html

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I think this is the article. It might not be the one I saw, but I read one forever ago so I don't really remember.http://forums.khinsider.com/future-kingdom-hearts/149593-roxas-namine-revisted.html

 

 Oh so this is some random fans theory ?  

This article is pretty old and some of the things mentioned were confirmed - like how Roxas has Ven's heart . That isn't a theory - it's been confirmed ..This person also doesn't get that the reason that both Ven and Kairi didn't make nobodies when their hearts hid in Sora was because they never lost their hearts to darkness or were stabbed which is how nobodies are made. Their hearts simply hid but weren't made into heartless or lost into darkness.When Kairi's 'nobody' was made it was using Sora's body and soul and Kairi's heart which is why Namine doesn't have a physical body but also then made a special connection to Sora which is prolly why Namine can alter Sora's memories.

 

As for why Namine was born in CO- nobodies can be born in any inbetween worlds just like Roxas was born in TT. As for Kairi being able to access Ven in CO bc she was accidently Aqua's  'successor'- Nomura specifically states that only Aqua's memories must lead her to Ven and Kairi doesn't possess them. The rooms change upon the persons memories and so unless they use aqua's they cannot access Ven... There are many holes in this theory but these stand out the most. I do agree with them suspecting Namine has blonde hair bc she symbolizes light. Afterall, Kairi is a princess of heart.

 

That said, it is a very interesting theory . However, it's not accurate on many points

Edited October 23, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[Aqua7KH 5,395]

 Oh so this is some random fans theory ?  

This article is pretty old and some of the things mentioned were confirmed - like how Roxas has Ven's heart . That isn't a theory - it's been confirmed ..This person also doesn't get that the reason that both Ven and Kairi didn't make nobodies when their hearts hid in Sora was because they never lost their hearts to darkness or were stabbed which is how nobodies are made. Their hearts simply hid but weren't made into heartless or lost into darkness.When Kairi's 'nobody' was made it was using Sora's body and soul and Kairi's heart which is why Namine doesn't have a physical body but also then made a special connection to Sora which is prolly why Namine can alter Sora's memories.

 

As for why Namine was born in CO- nobodies can be born in any inbetween worlds just like Roxas was born in TT. As for Kairi being able to access Ven in CO bc she was accidently Aqua's  'successor'- Nomura specifically states that only Aqua's memories must lead her to Ven and Kairi doesn't possess them. The rooms change upon the persons memories and so unless they use aqua's they cannot access Ven... There are many holes in this theory but these stand out the most. I do agree with them suspecting Namine has blonde hair bc she symbolizes light. Afterall, Kairi is a princess of heart.

 

That said, it is a very interesting theory . However, it's not accurate on many points

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this isn't the article I saw, but it's the clostest one to what I saw since it was such a long time ago.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this isn't the article I saw, but it's the clostest one to what I saw since it was such a long time ago.

 

At least it was an interesting thing to read