KHBbS Does anyone else not really like BBS?

[Godot 513]

...I mean, it's an okay game, I guess. I don't absolutely hate it. I just don't care for it much.

 

The Storyline

The storyline just isn't appealing to me. It seems really sloppy and that there wasn't enough thought put into it. I don't know how many times I've heard the "omfg, they're three apprentices and their master is evil and it's, like, total chaos!". Starts to get old after a while.

 

The Characters

The characters even worse. Does it annoy anyoen else that the three main characters are the three most overused stereotypes? We have the "I'm the hero, and I'm gonna save everyone! (Gary-Stu)" guy (Ven), the "pretty and fantastic, and everyone loves her (Mary-Sue)" girl (Aqua), and the "emo guy who eventually turns evil" (Terra). Though, I guess, Sora, Kairi, and Riku are the same way. But, then again, I don't really like those three either.

 

Just Some Really Nit-Picky Things

I really could have gone for some good, old-fashioned character development. Lea and Isa could (and should) have been explained a bit more. Same thing goes for all of the scientists. The whole reason why I was so excited about BBS was because I thought that the Somebodies were really going to get some development, and that they'd get stories of their own. Not so. They didn't even really dwell upon any of them at all. The most any of them got was a brief mention in passing, or maybe they'd actually show up in the game for a split second, if they were lucky. (Hey, weren't they the main villians in Kingdom Hearts 2? Don't you think they deserve maybe a little bit more attention?)

 

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Like I said before, I don't loathe the game, but I don't love it either. So, now flames please? If you want to share your opinion, don't share it like a dumbass.

[Anti-SOLDIER 68]

Hehe. Actually, i'm not excited for BBS either. I just don't like it because I want Sora in it and he hasent been in a game since Kingdom Hearts 2. And some other things I guess. ~_~ And that you barely get supports here. o.0

[Keyblader 325]

Hehe. Actually, i'm not excited for BBS either. I just don't like it because I want Sora in it and he hasent been in a game since Kingdom Hearts 2. And some other things I guess. ~_~ And that you barely get supports here. o.0

 

yeah, the closest thing you are going to get to sora is his appearences in certain cutscenes, but i understand what you mean, and that you already know that

[Handsome_the_Wise 20]

I don't think Ven was trying to save everybody. Mostly, just Terra. In my opinion Terra was more the Gary Stu. Well, I don't know about a Gary Stu but he seemed to be a recycled character type. Not much different than Cloud Strife or Squall Leonhart. At first I didn't think I'd like him but he grew on me. Ven is supposed to be not that different than Sora and Roxas, so in a way, he's recycled too, but purposefully. As for the Organization members, there's going to be multiple new games. Maybe one of them will delve deeper onto their pasts. For me the only ones who are interesting enough to make a game about are Lea and Isa. Ansem's apprentice's stories are practically already told in the Ansem reports. Well, 9-11's pasts might be interesting.

[Koko 3,944]

I agree. The story line and characters are getting a little... cliche? I really don't know.

I mean, I want to play it. Maybe after playing it, my opinion will change.

But so far I'm just like, ehh.

Not super excited.

I dislike most of the characters though.

Ven is alright.

I love Vanitas though o-o

I agree that maybe Lea and Isa shouldve been explained more. There really just... there. No development at all.

Its not nit picky, I mean its pretty noticeable.

[Space Cowboy 1,392]

The ONLY reason BBS is tolerable to me is because you got to learn about why certain things and people are the way they are in the other installments. It also gives a reason for the KH series to continue instead of leaving us with a bland story line with us knowing absolutely nothing.

[Cricket 1,180]

Honestly, I love the whole way BBS is set up, the connections just keep me on edge and yes I believe that some repeated character models/concepts is a bit cliche, but it gives it more of a reason why Sora was chosen and why his friends are involved with it also. It answers some of the questions I had when I first played KH1 and it is still making me wonder just how far these connections and bonds go.

I agree with Handsome_the_Wise that Ven's model (Sora and Roxas' model concept/character) was recycled purposely to help understand more of why the Keyblade went to Sora and exactly why Sora is a special person and what his future appearance and purpose in a future KH may be and who helped shape that future and etc.

[EaglesFan887 11]

Yeah. When I bought bbs on playasia, I thought it would have the first seven org members quite a bit and have a story, cause axel is my favorite character in kingdom hearts series, so I wanted to learn more about lea. So I was dissapointed I didn't see that In terras at all, and not sure about aquas cause I didn't beat it yet. And ven is the only story I know that I know that has any of the org members. So that was dissapointing.

 

The storyline

Since It was japanese can't say much. But what I can say is what I read translated on sites, the story isn't that interesting. Just three friends separating to all defeat the same guy.

 

Gameplay

Didn't like it much. Playin in different worlds wasn't much fun, cause I beat them in like 5 minutes. Each world had a very small plot and time to beat besidea neverland, radiant garden, and keyblade graveyard. And I was dissapointed about the MAJOR difference in the amount of damage aqua did, compared to what terra and ven did. Aqua deals barely any danage what so ever. I am still stuck on vanitas In neverland, and took a long time facing him in radiant garden. I would understand if she was mainly magic and defense, and ven was speed, and terra attack, but there shouldn't be that much of a difference. Like in days, xion did the same as roxas.

 

Cutscenes

Didn't really like them much. I like the ones that were close up, cause then it was clear. But the ones far away or just a little far away, its blurry and just weird. Also, no cutsenes at all were like they were in the trailers, or opening cutscene. For example, the final boss. Xanehort. The cutscenes are clear at some point, and blurry at some point, while in cutscenes, and the opening are clear and they look like real people no fake animated people.

 

Overall

I give birth by sleep a rating of 5 out of 10. It wasn't really good, I was just glad to get a kh game to work on.

[Deadshot 666]

really whole base around the kh storyline is nothing new a guy who has a best friend that turns evil trys to kill him then they become friends they both liked same girl.I wish Hideo Kojima took over kh because every game he does is just epic unlike Tetsuya Nomura.I think bbs still looks good and it can't be worst than days.Maybe you guys over hype the game to much

[Sorage55 10]

I myself was not so sad,

BBS itself is not so bad,

I wanted to see the sombodies of the organization, every last one, but they diddn't all show, but thats ok, they are to be in a future game release of course, to plop in from the sky and tell us their names and what they did before they were split into nobody and heartless.

[Keyblader 325]

Yeah. When I bought bbs on playasia, I thought it would have the first seven org members quite a bit and have a story, cause axel is my favorite character in kingdom hearts series, so I wanted to learn more about lea. So I was dissapointed I didn't see that In terras at all, and not sure about aquas cause I didn't beat it yet. And ven is the only story I know that I know that has any of the org members. So that was dissapointing.

 

The storyline

Since It was japanese can't say much. But what I can say is what I read translated on sites, the story isn't that interesting. Just three friends separating to all defeat the same guy.

 

Gameplay

Didn't like it much. Playin in different worlds wasn't much fun, cause I beat them in like 5 minutes. Each world had a very small plot and time to beat besidea neverland, radiant garden, and keyblade graveyard. And I was dissapointed about the MAJOR difference in the amount of damage aqua did, compared to what terra and ven did. Aqua deals barely any danage what so ever. I am still stuck on vanitas In neverland, and took a long time facing him in radiant garden. I would understand if she was mainly magic and defense, and ven was speed, and terra attack, but there shouldn't be that much of a difference. Like in days, xion did the same as roxas.

 

Cutscenes

Didn't really like them much. I like the ones that were close up, cause then it was clear. But the ones far away or just a little far away, its blurry and just weird. Also, no cutsenes at all were like they were in the trailers, or opening cutscene. For example, the final boss. Xanehort. The cutscenes are clear at some point, and blurry at some point, while in cutscenes, and the opening are clear and they look like real people no fake animated people.

 

Overall

I give birth by sleep a rating of 5 out of 10. It wasn't really good, I was just glad to get a kh game to work on.

 

hopefully the american version will be much better than what you are saying, considering all the time they have put into it

[DragonMaster 1,166]

hmm, guess I won't waste my time or my money on this game then. Thanks guys.

[Ven 4]

...I mean, it's an okay game, I guess. I don't absolutely hate it. I just don't care for it much.

 

The Storyline

The storyline just isn't appealing to me. It seems really sloppy and that there wasn't enough thought put into it. I don't know how many times I've heard the "omfg, they're three apprentices and their master is evil and it's, like, total chaos!". Starts to get old after a while.

 

First, it's not their master, second, what else do you actually know? You _CANNOT_ judge this story exclusively as it is only explaining further upcoming story elements (-which by the way you also can't judge exclusively). It's a whole story that is to judge, a whole act if you will, in which you also wouldn't say "Nah, didn't like the second act's fourth scene because it's all like DUH"......So, IF you're going to judge BBS, consider all the other KH games it is corresponding to.

 

 

The Characters

The characters even worse. Does it annoy anyoen else that the three main characters are the three most overused stereotypes? We have the "I'm the hero, and I'm gonna save everyone! (Gary-Stu)" guy (Ven), the "pretty and fantastic, and everyone loves her (Mary-Sue)" girl (Aqua), and the "emo guy who eventually turns evil" (Terra). Though, I guess, Sora, Kairi, and Riku are the same way. But, then again, I don't really like those three either.

 

So, you judge these characters by their attitude? Then let me tell you something: Whenever you watch a movie, a drama, play a game, etc., characters aren't just there, it's more like they have a purpose. This purpose corresponds to the whole story, differentiating both the character and the story. So, again, your explanations are without any reason. If you're going to criticise them, don't just list their DUH-ish attitudes...

 

 

Just Some Really Nit-Picky Things

I really could have gone for some good, old-fashioned character development. Lea and Isa could (and should) have been explained a bit more. Same thing goes for all of the scientists. The whole reason why I was so excited about BBS was because I thought that the Somebodies were really going to get some development, and that they'd get stories of their own. Not so. They didn't even really dwell upon any of them at all. The most any of them got was a brief mention in passing, or maybe they'd actually show up in the game for a split second, if they were lucky. (Hey, weren't they the main villians in Kingdom Hearts 2? Don't you think they deserve maybe a little bit more attention?)

Main villains yes, but only the very important ones' past was explained: Xigbar's and Xemnas'. Again, it is the "Who has an impact/a purpose on/in the story and who hasn't"-matter. Then again I don't want to say it's only Xigbar and Xemnas who's important: the upcoming games may reveal more about the others. I do even expect so, as Nomura once answered something like the following, when he was asked about the gap between BBS and KHI: "Of course in the meanwhile things happen which are yet to be revealed". It was about why Saix had yellow eyes while Isa hadn't had them.

 

Okay, so let me put everything I've said into one sentence: Just wait. The story isn't complete yet, so it's nonsense to adjudicate upon the story, don't you think?

[Godot 513]

 

...I mean, it's an okay game, I guess. I don't absolutely hate it. I just don't care for it much.

 

The Storyline

The storyline just isn't appealing to me. It seems really sloppy and that there wasn't enough thought put into it. I don't know how many times I've heard the "omfg, they're three apprentices and their master is evil and it's, like, total chaos!". Starts to get old after a while.

 

First, it's not their master, second, what else do you actually know? You _CANNOT_ judge this story exclusively as it is only explaining further upcoming story elements (-which by the way you also can't judge exclusively). It's a whole story that is to judge, a whole act if you will, in which you also wouldn't say "Nah, didn't like the second act's fourth scene because it's all like DUH"......So, IF you're going to judge BBS, consider all the other KH games it is corresponding to.

First off, learn to use HTML codes plzthx. ("_CANNOT_"? Really? Underscores?) Second, so, basically, you're saying that I can't judge ANY game in the KH series on it's own? That I have to judge everything as one big game? Sorry, darling, but I just don't see the logic in that. If I say I didn't like one scene in an act, does that mean that I don't like the whole act? No, darling, it doesn't.

 

The Characters

The characters even worse. Does it annoy anyone else that the three main characters are the three most overused stereotypes? We have the "I'm the hero, and I'm gonna save everyone! (Gary-Stu)" guy (Ven), the "pretty and fantastic, and everyone loves her (Mary-Sue)" girl (Aqua), and the "emo guy who eventually turns evil" (Terra). Though, I guess, Sora, Kairi, and Riku are the same way. But, then again, I don't really like those three either.

 

So, you judge these characters by their attitude? Then let me tell you something: Whenever you watch a movie, a drama, play a game, etc., characters aren't just there, it's more like they have a purpose. This purpose corresponds to the whole story, differentiating both the character and the story. So, again, your explanations are without any reason. If you're going to criticise them, don't just list their DUH-ish attitudes...

Wow....did you understand anything that I said, darling? Please stop me if you did. The characters' attitudes and actions are part of the story. They are what make the story complete (or, in this case, incomplete). So, if the characters' attitudes are annoying, what does that make the story? (And, by the way, I would prefer if you used proper English while tearing apart my opinion. "DUH-ish" is not a word, darling.)

 

Just Some Really Nit-Picky Things

I really could have gone for some good, old-fashioned character development. Lea and Isa could (and should) have been explained a bit more. Same thing goes for all of the scientists. The whole reason why I was so excited about BBS was because I thought that the Somebodies were really going to get some development, and that they'd get stories of their own. Not so. They didn't even really dwell upon any of them at all. The most any of them got was a brief mention in passing, or maybe they'd actually show up in the game for a split second, if they were lucky. (Hey, weren't they the main villians in Kingdom Hearts 2? Don't you think they deserve maybe a little bit more attention?)

Main villains yes, but only the very important ones' past was explained: Xigbar's and Xemnas'. Again, it is the "Who has an impact/a purpose on/in the story and who hasn't"-matter. Then again I don't want to say it's only Xigbar and Xemnas who's important: the upcoming games may reveal more about the others. I do even expect so, as Nomura once answered something like the following, when he was asked about the gap between BBS and KHI: "Of course in the meanwhile things happen which are yet to be revealed". It was about why Saix had yellow eyes while Isa hadn't had them.

Thought I love him to bits and pieces, I really would not consider Xigbar an important villian. His role in KH2 was not that big at all, and in 358/2 Days he had, maybe, one or two important scenes. The only use he really had was to provide a connection from Days to BBS. He's a plot device, darling, not an important character. There's a very big difference.

You're obviously forgetting that one of the big things about BBS was the involvement of the Apprentices. The way Birth by Sleep was marketed, you would think they would play at good size role, at least. But, no, this is not the case. And I seriously, honestly, doubt that Organization XIII will be in any of the future games. They're done, out of the series for good. The whole conflict involving them is finished. You obviously did not pay very much attention to your beloved Birth by Sleep if you didn't understand the (not so subtle) hints that the next KH game will entirely about Sora trying to find Aqua, Terra, and Ventus. And, after that, what next in the series? Unless, some random evil villain pops up, it doesn't seem like there will be much left in the KH series, sadly.

 

 

Okay, so let me put everything I've said into one sentence: Just wait. The story isn't complete yet, so it's nonsense to adjudicate upon the story, don't you think?

 

Let me defend my entire argument in one setence: Even if the story isn't complete, that's not an excuse to make a trashy game.

 

kthxbai

[DragonMaster 1,166]

@Demyx

So it is a trashy game because the story was, in you opinion, lacking or cliche or just bad? What about the game play? Was that not fun? How about mini games? Was it fun to play, in your opinion, forgetting that the story is in your opinion not good? How do you feel about other Kingdom Hearts games? Not trying to be rude, just wondering what your opinion on the other games are. In my opinion, the basic story of Birth by Sleep seemed at least decent, granted I haven't played it, but from all that I have read about it and from watching some cutscenes I would say it is much better than Kingdom Hearts II. That is just my honest opinion, because I really didn't like Kingdom Hearts II's story much compared to Chain of Memories or 358/2 Days or what I know of Birth by Sleeps story.

 

The characters even worse. Does it annoy anyone else that the three main characters are the three most overused stereotypes? We have the "I'm the hero, and I'm gonna save everyone! (Gary-Stu)" guy (Ven), the "pretty and fantastic, and everyone loves her (Mary-Sue)" girl (Aqua), and the "emo guy who eventually turns evil" (Terra). Though, I guess, Sora, Kairi, and Riku are the same way. But, then again, I don't really like those three either.

You can find this everywhere. I don't see it as a problem at all. Almost every self respecting game I have ever played with a decent story has characters like this.

 

The storyline just isn't appealing to me. It seems really sloppy and that there wasn't enough thought put into it. I don't know how many times I've heard the "omfg, they're three apprentices and their master is evil and it's, like, total chaos!". Starts to get old after a while.

Their Master wasn't evil. Eraqus was a good guy. I really haven't seen that scenario used much. I really don't see how it was sloppy, and it had three separate scenarios, each with it own and mostly unique story that is connected and yet different than the others. Vanitas's story I thought was pretty cool. And also, it was a prequel (made after the game that comes chronologically, story wise, after it. So they had to find a way to make sure it could all fit in with the other Kingdom Hearts games.), a filler, and made to explain how Sora got his keyblade, and other thing in the Kingdom Hearts Universe. You are entitled to your opinion, but I really don't see much wrong with the story.

 

I really could have gone for some good, old-fashioned character development. Lea and Isa could (and should) have been explained a bit more. Same thing goes for all of the scientists. The whole reason why I was so excited about BBS was because I thought that the Somebodies were really going to get some development, and that they'd get stories of their own. Not so. They didn't even really dwell upon any of them at all. The most any of them got was a brief mention in passing, or maybe they'd actually show up in the game for a split second, if they were lucky. (Hey, weren't they the main villians in Kingdom Hearts 2? Don't you think they deserve maybe a little bit more attention?)

Ok, I will give you this. They didn't spend much time on some of the characters, and lots of them could have used more time, but they got the main two pretty well, and I suppose that is enough. Hopefully the will expand the other's story in future games.

[Rue 3]

Honestly, I love the whole way BBS is set up, the connections just keep me on edge and yes I believe that some repeated character models/concepts is a bit cliche, but it gives it more of a reason why Sora was chosen and why his friends are involved with it also. It answers some of the questions I had when I first played KH1 and it is still making me wonder just how far these connections and bonds go.

I agree with Handsome_the_Wise that Ven's model (Sora and Roxas' model concept/character) was recycled purposely to help understand more of why the Keyblade went to Sora and exactly why Sora is a special person and what his future appearance and purpose in a future KH may be and who helped shape that future and etc.

 

agree with you to a point. the story is a dead man/poorly disign way of the rip off seires it abased on. it awsners enoguh questions to the point were your "okay that makes sences," and is good for the classic "Origin" story, but liek everything in disney it recyles everything...pathic worms of the earth....