Square's backward logic baffles me

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Note:Before you bitch on me,I already have a Ps3.

 

 

I let the 1.5 exclusivity slide because it's announcement was before KH 3 got announced

 

But why oh why is 2.5 HD is a Ps3 Exclusive????

 

Square,you're telling me that you're selling KH3 to a new audience without introducing them to what happened before it??

 

Regardless of what you say ..there WILL be an Xbox 360Xbox One owner who heard about KH for the first time,can you imagine how confused heshe will be when he plays KH3 for the first time with 0 explanation for what happened before it???

 

Not everyone wants to stop playing just to look up the previous game on youtube just to understand what the hell is going on

 

it's not hard at all to release an old game on multiple consoles especially when they decided that the series should walk the multiplatform route

 

Without previous games being released on Xbox consoles they'll risk low sales for the Xbox One version of KH3 because they didn't give the owners of the 360 the chance to try it and look forward to the next main entry

 

And that's what exactly happened with the Xbox 360 version of FFXIII.......aside from FFXI....the Xbox 360 never got any of the previous entries in the series despite most previous entries got ported to the iOS.....Not even FFX HD is coming to the 360...and they just expect Xbox Owners to leave their Skyrim and Halos to try the new Final Fantasy.....by the way...the sales of the 360 version of FFXIII barely passed 2 millions compared to the 4 million copies sold on Ps3

 

And I know what you're thinking:herp derp everyone should have two or three consoles now duuuuuuuuuuuuuh

 

No,not everyone own more than one console,and not everyone is an RPG veteran who heard of Kingdom Hearts

 

And don't tell me it's an exclusivity contract because it's not.

 

If your new entry is multiplatform....DON'T KEEP THE PREVIOUS ENTRIES AWAY FROM OTHER CONSOLES.

 

Square Enix:Lacking common sense since 2010

Edited October 15, 2013 by Metal Snake

[Emrys 3,192]

I read into this... Microsoft did not want to pay for a KH game when they never did before.. They said it wouldn't make sense. That and the fact that KH is compatible mainly with sony's consoles.

[xxClouDxxmoon 901]

  On 10/15/2013 at 8:17 PM, Metal Snake said:

Note:Before you bitch on me,I already have a Ps3.

 

 

I let the 1.5 exclusivity slide because it's announcement was before KH 3 got announced

 

But why oh why is 2.5 HD is a Ps3 Exclusive????

 

Square,you're telling me that you're selling KH3 to a new audience without introducing them to what happened before it??

 

Regardless of what you say ..there WILL be an Xbox 360Xbox One owner who heard about KH for the first time,can you imagine how confused heshe will be when he plays KH3 for the first time with 0 explanation for what happened before it???

 

Not everyone wants to stop playing just to look up the previous game on youtube just to understand what the hell is going on

 

it's not hard at all to release an old game on multiple consoles especially when they decided that the series should walk the multiplatform route

 

Without previous games being released on Xbox consoles they'll risk low sales for the Xbox One version of KH3 because they didn't give the owners of the 360 the chance to try it and look forward to the next main entry

 

And that's what exactly happened with the Xbox 360 version of FFXIII.......aside from FFXI....the Xbox 360 never got any of the previous entries in the series despite most previous entries got ported to the iOS.....Not even FFX HD is coming to the 360...and they just expect Xbox Owners to leave their Skyrim and Halos to try the new Final Fantasy.....by the way...the sales of the 360 version of FFXIII barely passed 2 millions compared to the 4 million copies sold on Ps3

 

And I know what you're thinking:herp derp everyone should have two or three consoles now duuuuuuuuuuuuuh

 

No,not everyone own more than one console,and not everyone is an RPG veteran who heard of Kingdom Hearts

 

And don't tell me it's an exclusivity contract because it's not.

 

If your new entry is multiplatform....DON'T KEEP THE PREVIOUS ENTRIES AWAY FROM OTHER CONSOLES.

 

Square Enix:Lacking common sense since 2010

I am just going to say that you shouldn't expect original PS titles to be on Xbox. You shouldn't expect KH1, KH2, BBS or Re:CoM to come to Xbox, so there goes both HD remixes. And the same goes for FFX/X-2.

[Shard the Gentleman 2,891]

To be fair, who would buy a third game without playing/watching/reading about the previous ones?

[No.XIII 38]

Pretty sure there's a partnership with Sony when it comes to these HD ReMIX's.

[Kittenz 4,281]

Current gen will still be around and supported for awhile. a ceo from sony/microsoft confirmed this saying they may even support current for at least five more years

[Shulk 8,623]

How about a Wii U release for us KH fans who follow Nintendo, too? I'm going to get a PS3 soon (hopefully), but I don't want the Nintendo fans to be left behind. They could at least get the HD collections... I actually have an idea for KH on Wii U, which I'll probably put up later.

[Lalalablah 1,539]

You never know, there might be a recap in Kh3 of some major events.

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

  On 10/15/2013 at 8:17 PM, Metal Snake said:

Note:Before you bitch on me,I already have a Ps3.

 

 

I let the 1.5 exclusivity slide because it's announcement was before KH 3 got announced

 

But why oh why is 2.5 HD is a Ps3 Exclusive????

 

Square,you're telling me that you're selling KH3 to a new audience without introducing them to what happened before it??

 

Regardless of what you say ..there WILL be an Xbox 360Xbox One owner who heard about KH for the first time,can you imagine how confused heshe will be when he plays KH3 for the first time with 0 explanation for what happened before it???

 

Not everyone wants to stop playing just to look up the previous game on youtube just to understand what the hell is going on

 

it's not hard at all to release an old game on multiple consoles especially when they decided that the series should walk the multiplatform route

 

Without previous games being released on Xbox consoles they'll risk low sales for the Xbox One version of KH3 because they didn't give the owners of the 360 the chance to try it and look forward to the next main entry

 

And that's what exactly happened with the Xbox 360 version of FFXIII.......aside from FFXI....the Xbox 360 never got any of the previous entries in the series despite most previous entries got ported to the iOS.....Not even FFX HD is coming to the 360...and they just expect Xbox Owners to leave their Skyrim and Halos to try the new Final Fantasy.....by the way...the sales of the 360 version of FFXIII barely passed 2 millions compared to the 4 million copies sold on Ps3

 

And I know what you're thinking:herp derp everyone should have two or three consoles now duuuuuuuuuuuuuh

 

No,not everyone own more than one console,and not everyone is an RPG veteran who heard of Kingdom Hearts

 

And don't tell me it's an exclusivity contract because it's not.

 

If your new entry is multiplatform....DON'T KEEP THE PREVIOUS ENTRIES AWAY FROM OTHER CONSOLES.

 

Square Enix:Lacking common sense since 2010

 

Isn't it a bit hypocritical to tell everyone not to bitch about anything when all you seem to do is bitch about everything?

 

Seriously. There's no point in overreacting over something like this. People aren't dying in Africa and South Korea because Square won't release the remasters on the 360.

 

It's not a sense of Square "thinking backwards", it's more like them trying to think on two parallel planes at the same time. They've invested a large amount of their franchise on Sony and Nintendo, but feel a sort of obligation to bring some content to Microsoft users, no matter what the title is. There's not much logic in it sure. But it's more from a basic business standpoint: More systems = more users, more users = more money. Unfortunately, this system can be very flawed, depending on the game they decide to release. Final Fantasy XIII releasing on the 360 isn't a big deal. It's a Final Fantasy game, you don't need to play the others to get a complete experience. However, it would have really been a problem if they released Final Fantasy XIII-2 on the 360 without ever releasing Final Fantasy XIII on the 360.

 

Keep in mind that Square isn't the only one who makes questionable decisions these days. SEGA seems to be under the impression that they will do better if they lay off almost half their world-wide company, and Microsoft let their pride get a little too close to the sun when they first introduced the X-Box One and it's policies...but that's only one of the many flaws I see in that company. Lucky for you though, I won't bitch about them.

 

While I agree that the remasters should have been released for 360, there's no guarantee that they won't. There is no set release date for Kingdom Hearts 3 yet, so odds are they might port both onto the 360 at some point closer to KH3's release. But you are right in that they should have done that in the first place.

 

In my opinion though, I don't think it is so much Square's fault as it is Microsoft's. The exact nature of the agreement hasn't been told yet, but I'm pretty sure it went along the lines of Microsoft begging Square to give them Kingdom Hearts 3 at the last second. They finally began to become self-aware as to how stupid everyone thought their policies and conferences were, and figured that the only way to regain some credibility was to latch on to the success of another famous franchise in the hopes of being lifted out of their own ditch. That makes the most sense to me, considering how Nomura had explicitly expressed interest in bringing the series to ONE console or company or whatever. If that is the case though, then the blame is also on Square for ever agreeing to Microsoft in the first place.

 

Still, that's no excuse to get so hot-headed. Of course no one should be expected to have more than one console, we're not all snotty rich kids who have a limited scope of reality. And yes, word of mouth isn't as reliable as having direct access to something, but when word gets around, it gets around. We're not ignorant. Putting up an attitude isn't going to discourage debate or negative responses, it's only going to insight more.

 

So while I don't agree with your tone and a good chunk of your argument, I will agree with you on one thing: Square seems to contradict itself a lot, or at least parts of itself. Nomura wanted the series brought together on one system, while the main company itself wanted to increase more sales by expanding the series to yet another first-party company. I'm sensing a lack of communication here.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

  On 10/15/2013 at 8:26 PM, xxClouDxxmoon said:

I am just going to say that you shouldn't expect original PS titles to be on Xbox. You shouldn't expect KH1, KH2, BBS or Re:CoM to come to Xbox, so there goes both HD remixes. And the same goes for FFX/X-2.

Metal Gear Solid 3 and Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker got released on Xbox 360 through the collection

 

so there you go

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

  On 10/15/2013 at 8:36 PM, Black Star said:

How about a Wii U release for us KH fans who follow Nintendo, too? I'm going to get a PS3 soon (hopefully), but I don't want the Nintendo fans to be left behind. They could at least get the HD collections... I actually have an idea for KH on Wii U, which I'll probably put up later.

 

I still anticipate a Wii U release for all previous DS/3DS titles, only they will be proper HD remakes/remasters rather than a cutscene archive.

[Emrys 3,192]

  On 10/15/2013 at 8:50 PM, Metal Snake said:

Metal Gear Solid 3 and Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker got released on Xbox 360 through the collection

 

so there you go

Because Microsoft payed for them. I don't know how much more I can stress this.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

  On 10/15/2013 at 8:48 PM, Hero of Light XIV said:

Isn't it a bit hypocritical to tell everyone not to bitch about anything when all you seem to do is bitch about everything?

 

Seriously. There's no point in overreacting over something like this. People aren't dying in Africa and South Korea because Square won't release the remasters on the 360.

 

It's not a sense of Square "thinking backwards", it's more like them trying to think on two parallel planes at the same time. They've invested a large amount of their franchise on Sony and Nintendo, but feel a sort of obligation to bring some content to Microsoft users, no matter what the title is. There's not much logic in it sure. But it's more from a basic business standpoint: More systems = more users, more users = more money. Unfortunately, this system can be very flawed, depending on the game they decide to release. Final Fantasy XIII releasing on the 360 isn't a big deal. It's a Final Fantasy game, you don't need to play the others to get a complete experience. However, it would have really been a problem if they released Final Fantasy XIII-2 on the 360 without ever releasing Final Fantasy XIII on the 360.

 

Keep in mind that Square isn't the only one who makes questionable decisions these days. SEGA seems to be under the impression that they will do better if they lay off almost half their world-wide company, and Microsoft let their pride get a little too close to the sun when they first introduced the X-Box One and it's policies...but that's only one of the many flaws I see in that company. Lucky for you though, I won't bitch about them.

 

While I agree that the remasters should have been released for 360, there's no guarantee that they won't. There is no set release date for Kingdom Hearts 3 yet, so odds are they might port both onto the 360 at some point closer to KH3's release. But you are right in that they should have done that in the first place.

 

In my opinion though, I don't think it is so much Square's fault as it is Microsoft's. The exact nature of the agreement hasn't been told yet, but I'm pretty sure it went along the lines of Microsoft begging Square to give them Kingdom Hearts 3 at the last second. They finally began to become self-aware as to how stupid everyone thought their policies and conferences were, and figured that the only way to regain some credibility was to latch on to the success of another famous franchise in the hopes of being lifted out of their own ditch. That makes the most sense to me, considering how Nomura had explicitly expressed interest in bringing the series to ONE console or company or whatever. If that is the case though, then the blame is also on Square for ever agreeing to Microsoft in the first place.

 

Still, that's no excuse to get so hot-headed. Of course no one should be expected to have more than one console, we're not all snotty rich kids who have a limited scope of reality. And yes, word of mouth isn't as reliable as having direct access to something, but when word gets around, it gets around. We're not ignorant. Putting up an attitude isn't going to discourage debate or negative responses, it's only going to insight more.

 

So while I don't agree with your tone and a good chunk of your argument, I will agree with you on one thing: Square seems to contradict itself a lot, or at least parts of itself. Nomura wanted the series brought together on one system, while the main company itself wanted to increase more sales by expanding the series to yet another first-party company. I'm sensing a lack of communication here.

I don't bitch about everything otherwise I could've bitched about my country to no end

 

I just bitch about things that pisses me off

 

Yes I own a Ps3 but a friend of mine have an Xbox 360,liked the series doesn't have enough money to get a Ps3 and he's saving money for Xbox One

 

That makes him basically screwed

  On 10/15/2013 at 8:36 PM, Black Star said:

How about a Wii U release for us KH fans who follow Nintendo, too? I'm going to get a PS3 soon (hopefully), but I don't want the Nintendo fans to be left behind. They could at least get the HD collections... I actually have an idea for KH on Wii U, which I'll probably put up later.

I left Nintendo out because people murdered me when I said Square should port the collection to Wii U

 

Speaking of that too, 3582 Days and Recoded should've been on Wii U alongside Dream Drop Distance instead of Abridged cutscenes

Edited October 15, 2013 by Metal Snake

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

  On 10/15/2013 at 8:54 PM, Metal Snake said:

I don't bitch about everything otherwise I could've bitched about my country to no end

 

I just bitch about things that pisses me off

 

Yes I own a Ps3 but a friend of mine have an Xbox 360,liked the series doesn't have enough money to get a Ps3 and he's saving money for Xbox One

 

That makes him basically screwed

I left Nintendo out because people murdered me when I said Square should port the collection to Wii U

 

Speaking of that too, 3582 Days and Recoded should've been on Wii U alongside Dream Drop Distance instead of Abridged cutscenes

 

See, now I can understand where you are really coming from. Yes, it sucks that particular things have to isolate people like that. But the future is uncertain. I know I'm just repeating myself here, but I'm fairly confident that Square will release a port of the remasters to 360 in due time, even though they logically should have done so in the first place. If they fail to do that before Kingdom Hearts 3, I'm going to loose a good deal of faith in them.

 

I'm sorry about the bitching comment, it's just that so far all I've seen from you are complaints about various things. For all I know though, you probably had a lot of positive things to say about other things and I just didn't see them.

 

I share basically the same feelings towards the Nintendo side of things. The Wii U has just as much capabilities as the PS3 (maybe even more), so it would make a good deal of sense to port the collections to the Wii U, or at least give them remasters/remakes of the Nintendo-Exclusive titles (Re:CoM would technically fit too I think). It's not like we're asking for Kingdom Hearts 3 to be on the Wii U, that's just unreasonable.

Edited October 15, 2013 by Hero of Light XIV

[Dio Brando 5,810]

  On 10/15/2013 at 9:06 PM, Hero of Light XIV said:

See, now I can understand where you are really coming from. Yes, it sucks that particular things have to isolate people like that. But the future is uncertain. I know I'm just repeating myself here, but I'm fairly confident that Square will release a port of the remasters to 360 in due time, even though they logically should have done so in the first place. If they fail to do that before Kingdom Hearts 3, I'm going to loose a good deal of faith in them.

 

I'm sorry about the bitching comment, it's just that so far all I've seen from you are complaints about various things. For all I know though, you probably had a lot of positive things to say about other things and I just didn't see them.

 

I share basically the same feelings towards the Nintendo side of things. The Wii U has just as much capabilities as the PS3 (maybe even more), so it would make a good deal of sense to port the collections to the Wii U, or at least give them remasters/remakes of the Nintendo-Exclusive titles (Re:CoM would technically fit too I think). It's not like we're asking for Kingdom Hearts 3 to be on the Wii U, that's just unreasonable.

I can ignore not having KH3 on the Wii U,but not releasing the collections on Wii U doesn't make any sense especially the handheld ones.

 

They might remaster Dream Drop Distance on the Wii U because it's easier to port over the touch mechanic from the 3DS to the gamepad rather than reworking everything again.

 

Square is just taking routes that sometimes don't make sense even financially

 

It costs a very little amount of money to port the collections to both Xbox 360 and Wii U and it would give the chance for Xbox owners to experience past entries

 

and gives some Nintendo fans the chance to play the main entries they missed like KH1 and KH2

[HikariYami 354]

Wow, I have not posted in a while.

Anyway, the reason that it is not on the XBox360/One is because when KH was still a baby, SquareSoft made a exclusive contract with Sony which was effect for certain games such as FFX/X-2. So with that being a binding contract or whatevs, those main games were to be put on Sony's systems maybe because Sony payed them more.

Now, just because it is a 1.5 remix does not mean that it is a different game. It is the same content but upgraded and detailed with a few extras.

That is why it is not on the Xbox. It would be illegal to do so by breaking a contract.

Now everyone can stop firetrucking bitching. 

[Caity 3,946]

>They probably have the logic by the time KH3 is out, the PS3 will be cheap enough to easily buy if you really desire the old games

>Again the same problem with the Wii U, creating the same game/games twice over is not profitable

>Creating the same game twice over will take more time

>The purpose of the ReMIXs was to bring all the games to ONE console, not every console

>A lot of Xbox users (those being people who played the PS2 then went with Microsoft rather than Sony in the 7th Gen) boycotted the handheld games and such voluntarily with the logic "I'll play the series again when KH3 comes out, I don't need these side games I want KH3".  Even though the "side" games lined up the plot and it doesn't continue directly from KH2.  They dug their own grave, the confusion people who abandoned the series arrogantly will get will amuse me

>As mentioned, a deal with Sony

>The Xbox 360 main market doesn't really give a shit about JRPGs, for every fan who would appreciate KH on Xbox there's about 15 FPS "ur moms so ghey" fanboys who take the piss out of it

>Different game franchises mean literally firetruck all in this matter, this is KH, not another series that has previously ported multiplatform before so it seems okay for that.  

>Again, as much as I need to stress this, stop looking at KH as a (right now angry) fan, and look at it as with a sense of business and profit in mind.  There's series I love and would die if they were ported to consoles I own (I don't want to get an Xbox just for Banjo Kazooie/Tooie downloads, especially since they abandon their servers and register the games unplayable when their next gen takes off) but they won't be (least not immediately the future can always be quite different)  but I don't sit and moan about it, it just comes off as annoying.  You are no longer just voicing your opinion you are basically dictating what you think should happen with no room for counter arguments or different opinions, and in reality you have no say in the matter anyway.  

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

  On 10/15/2013 at 9:39 PM, HikariYami said:

Wow, I have not posted in a while.

Anyway, the reason that it is not on the XBox360/One is because when KH was still a baby, SquareSoft made a exclusive contract with Sony which was effect for certain games such as FFX/X-2. So with that being a binding contract or whatevs, those main games were to be put on Sony's systems maybe because Sony payed them more.

Now, just because it is a 1.5 remix does not mean that it is a different game. It is the same content but upgraded and detailed with a few extras.

That is why it is not on the Xbox. It would be illegal to do so by breaking a contract.

Now everyone can stop firetrucking bitching. 

 

Um, there's a lot more to it than that.

[Soratus37 25]

I am praying that the ps4 gaikai thing will let me stream 1.5 and 2.5 on my ps4 since I don't own a ps3. Then I can have technically all the games thus far besides dream drop distance and 3 on my  ps4.(:

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

  On 10/15/2013 at 9:38 PM, Metal Snake said:

I can ignore not having KH3 on the Wii U,but not releasing the collections on Wii U doesn't make any sense especially the handheld ones.

 

They might remaster Dream Drop Distance on the Wii U because it's easier to port over the touch mechanic from the 3DS to the gamepad rather than reworking everything again.

 

Square is just taking routes that sometimes don't make sense even financially

 

It costs a very little amount of money to port the collections to both Xbox 360 and Wii U and it would give the chance for Xbox owners to experience past entries

 

and gives some Nintendo fans the chance to play the main entries they missed like KH1 and KH2

 

That's what I thought.

 

The logic they might be following is that they think that it would be so easy that they don't have to do it until the last minute...but I doubt even they are that lethargic.

 

Also, like Caity Raindrop said, the point of the ReMIXes was to bring all of the titles to one console...yet they confuse things even more by announcing their biggest title yet on two different consoles. I swear that different teams within Square Enix were responsible for both decisions and neither one of them communicated with each other, because nobody can naturally contradict their selves that easily.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

  On 10/15/2013 at 10:08 PM, Hero of Light XIV said:

That's what I thought.

 

The logic they might be following is that they think that it would be so easy that they don't have to do it until the last minute...but I doubt even they are that lethargic.

 

Also, like Caity Raindrop said, the point of the ReMIXes was to bring all of the titles to one console...yet they confuse things even more by announcing their biggest title yet on two different consoles. I swear that different teams within Square Enix were responsible for both decisions and neither one of them communicated with each other, because nobody can naturally contradict their selves that easily.

There is NO communication inside Square Enix....those dudes are just like Capcom and Microsoft

 

They contradict each other with every statement they made.

 

If Nomura really wants to bring the fans into one console...then why announce the biggest most anticipated title in the entire franchise to be multiplatform and yet form another fan division again???

 

This is the kind of mentality that made the development of Final Fantasy XIII an absolute nightmare because of absolute lack of communication inside Square Enix

 

I'm really really really afraid that they'll f**k it up and make KH3 the next Final Fantasy XIII

[Emily Murphy 28]

It probably has something to do with most of the games being on Sony. I know 358/2 Days and Re:Coded were on Nintendo but the games on the DS are only movies. Also, I don't know many people who own an Xbox  and play the KH series.

[HikariYami 354]

  On 10/15/2013 at 9:58 PM, Hero of Light XIV said:

Um, there's a lot more to it than that.

I just simplified it. I know there is more, but I needed to eat.

[SHAZOW 269]

  On 10/15/2013 at 8:36 PM, Black Star said:

How about a Wii U release for us KH fans who follow Nintendo, too? I'm going to get a PS3 soon (hopefully), but I don't want the Nintendo fans to be left behind. They could at least get the HD collections... I actually have an idea for KH on Wii U, which I'll probably put up later.

Well just like what xxClouDxxmoon said....

  On 10/15/2013 at 8:26 PM, xxClouDxxmoon said:

I am just going to say that you shouldn't expect original PS titles to be on Xbox. You shouldn't expect KH1, KH2, BBS or Re:CoM to come to Xbox, so there goes both HD remixes. And the same goes for FFX/X-2.

Same goes for Wii U.

[Shulk 8,623]

  On 10/16/2013 at 12:00 AM, SHAZOW said:

Well just like what xxClouDxxmoon said....Same goes for Wii U.

And we're going to ignore that Days, Chain of Memories, and Re:Coded were all originally on Nintendo systems. Also, it could just be Days/Coded/DDD, which were all originally Nintendo exclusive.