KHBbS The "Two Hearts to Dual wield" thing is bullshit

[Shinigami 16]

 

 Yes this has never been explained but maybe in KH3. However , wielders can hold other wielders keyblades . Just sayin'. Wait and see I guess.

Alright. I'll get that memorized.

[No.XIII 38]

Riku had 2 keyblades, he gave one to Kairi and he didn't have 2 hearts.

He found it in The World That Never Was. Aqua left it.

[Shana09 5,769]

 

 

 Yes this has never been explained but maybe in KH3. However , wielders can hold other wielders keyblades . Just sayin'. Wait and see I guess.

 

This is just a speculation:

 

Aqua gave this sort of charm towards Kairi, which activated her ability use the Keyblade. She also gets the same keychain as soon as she gave that power to little Kairi. Is it possible, due to the connection between Kairi and Riku's heart (as friends) that he was able to summon the Keyblade for her? Like Leon for example. 

[Caity 3,946]

I personally think it makes sense, in the way anything in Kingdom Hearts makes sense (KH logic is pretty much like Nintendo Logic, I mean seriously asking for rationality in a game where you play as an adolescent boy travelling through Disney worlds with a duck and dog, attacking being without hearts called nobodies and beings without bodies called heartless, where no one really dies and doing so with a giant key as a weapon of all things is odd in itself).  I have no problem with dual wielding being removed once Ven is saved (though I highly suspect it'll be brought back with some "magic-fans-want-it-make-it-happen-bull"), just leaves the path open for new game mechanics.  

[Shana09 5,769]

It hasn't been confirmed if the Keyblade isn't made by man or not

 

the period before the Keyblade war hasn't been shown and the creation of the keyblade is not fully known

 

not to mention there is so many keyblades in the Keyblade Graveyard

 

Which means that those Keyblades that the main characters wield might've belonged to another warrior during the keyblade war

I know they aren't,but they could've made them tied to one heart if the wielder has a strong heart and enough mastery

 

And you said it now,it's not the best way to fill something that never needed to be filled to begin with

I didn't want to speculate

 

But they never needed to fill a plot point that never needed anything to fill it.

 

They could've just lift it as it was when it got introduced in KH2

 

 

The warriors of the Keyblade War crafted their own, they weren't true Keyblades at all. Unlike them, Sora and the rest have "true" Keyblades that are created by their hearts. It was explained I believe through Secret Reports or somewhere in BBS. And it is cannon. 

[Shinigami 16]

He found it in The World That Never Was. Aqua left it.

Aqua's never been to that world. She's been stuck in the Realm Of Darkness for over 10 years, remember?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

He found it in The World That Never Was. Aqua left it.

 Pure speculation- not fact. And i think you mean it was kept by Xemnas and Riku found it .Still Speculation .

 

This is just a speculation:

 

Aqua gave this sort of charm towards Kairi, which activated her ability use the Keyblade. She also gets the same keychain as soon as she gave that power to little Kairi. Is it possible, due to the connection between Kairi and Riku's heart (as friends) that he was able to summon the Keyblade for her? Like Leon for example. 

 

The charm has nothing to do with her wielding . She touched Aqua's keyblade by accident and got the ceremony by accident:

 

Q6: Why did Kairi end up with Sora and Riku?

A: It has to do with Aqua�s �magic�.

 

Nine years before KH, Kairi was thrust into the outside world, and found herself on Sora and Riku�s world. Ansem Seeker of Darkness thought that she had been able to search for a keyblade wielder, but what actually saved her was the magic spell Aqua had put on her.

 

[picture: Little Kairi]

Aqua: �Someday your light will lead you to a light that will protect you from the darkness.�

 

The magic Aqua puts on Kairi saves her once year later.

 

[picture: Ansem Report]

 

Ansem Seeker of Darkness felt a special power within Kairi and tried to use her to find the keyblade.

 

 

Q7: Why can Kairi use a keyblade?

A: Because she was touched by Aqua�s keyblade.

 

The keyblade inheritance ceremony is performed with a keyblade master touches someone using a keyblade. When Kairi was running away from the Unversed in BbS she grabbed Aqua�s keyblade, which performed the ceremony. That is why she is able to use a keyblade in KHII to help Sora.

 

[picture: Little Kairi and Aqua]

 

Kairi touching Aqua�s keyblade.

 

[pictures: Kairi with keyblade, Aqua with keyblade]

 

The keyblade Kairi uses is the same with Aqua receives after talking to Kairi: Destiny Place.

 

As for Riku , yes maybe. It's plausible. I hope it's explained later in KH3

Edited October 14, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

A lot of this is speculation but I'm saying it anyway.

 

First off, I think the Keyblade is the power of ones heart made manifest, which is why each Keyblade only has one true master. We've already seen two Keyblades that were literally made out of hearts. The fake Keyblade of Peoples Hearts(which I believe to be another failed attempt at the x-Blade), and the failed x-Blade. If it were a man-made weapon the strength of the wielders heart would be irrelevant.The Kingdom Key was meant to be Riku's Keyblade. When the island was swallowed by Darkness Sora touched Riku's heart (the light) just has the Kingdom key was emerging. While it's been said that Sora does not need Ven's heart to wield the Keyblade, it's also been said the Ven's heart accelerated the process, so I think he may have at that point and it was only after the Keyblade left Riku for Sora that his heart was strong enough to wield it on his own. It would have happened eventually, destiny and all that, but it may have taken much longer.By the time Roxas defeated Xion I believe Ven's heart was just starting to awaken, unlocking the Synch Blade ability. Finally, I don't think the Destiny's Embrace is Kairi's Keyblade. I think Riku found it in the Chamber of Waking in Hollow Bastion and was drawn to it by his subconscious memories of Aqua. I believe he was thinking "Kairi needs a weapon" and when he thought of her, it became the Destiny's Embrace. We've seen that a wielder can wield multiple blades as long as their true wielders allow. But we've never seen anyone with just one heart actually summon multiple blades.It's possible that Sora may still use dual wielding after he returns Ven's heart, but only under specific circumstances, like fighting along side another wielder and them handing it to him or something like D-Link where he uses the connections he has with others to borrow their power and Keyblades from a distance for a short time, but won't have the Synch Blade ability.To me it makes perfect sense for a series as psyco-centric as KH to have it's main weapon require multiple hearts to summon multiple weapons.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Isamu_Kuno

[venxas24 544]

WHAT!?!?! THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE Kingdom Hearts UNIVERSE THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE?!?!?!?

[Caity 3,946]

Riku had 2 keyblades, he gave one to Kairi and he didn't have 2 hearts.

 

You can only wield one keyblade if you have one heart, but you can access a variety of different keyblades with different keychains (the same way we switch out our own weapons in the game).  If you watch the clip, Riku isn't holding his own keyblade, he's summoned one using the keychain Destiny's Embrace, handed it over to Kairi (who most likely didn't even know she could summon one if she wanted) and then summoned his own after.  He only wields one keyblade at a time, keeping with the rule.  

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvPexuLu4cg

[No.XIII 38]

Aqua's never been to that world. She's been stuck in the Realm Of Darkness for over 10 years, remember?

As in, Xemnas had kept it and her armor, and Riku found it.

[Shinigami 16]

As in, Xemnas had kept it and her armor, and Riku found it.

I'm pretty sure we would have known if Riku found Aqua's armor.

[Shana09 5,769]

 

 Pure speculation- not fact. And i think you mean it was kept by Xemnas and Riku found it .Still Speculation .

 

 

The charm has nothing to do with her wielding . She touched Aqua's keyblade by accident and got the ceremony by accident:

 

Q6: Why did Kairi end up with Sora and Riku?A: It has to do with Aqua�s �magic�.Nine years before KH, Kairi was thrust into the outside world, and found herself on Sora and Riku�s world. Ansem Seeker of Darkness thought that she had been able to search for a keyblade wielder, but what actually saved her was the magic spell Aqua had put on her.[picture: Little Kairi]Aqua: �Someday your light will lead you to a light that will protect you from the darkness.�The magic Aqua puts on Kairi saves her once year later.[picture: Ansem Report]Ansem Seeker of Darkness felt a special power within Kairi and tried to use her to find the keyblade.Q7: Why can Kairi use a keyblade?A: Because she was touched by Aqua�s keyblade.The keyblade inheritance ceremony is performed with a keyblade master touches someone using a keyblade. When Kairi was running away from the Unversed in BbS she grabbed Aqua�s keyblade, which performed the ceremony. That is why she is able to use a keyblade in KHII to help Sora.[picture: Little Kairi and Aqua]Kairi touching Aqua�s keyblade.[pictures: Kairi with keyblade, Aqua with keyblade]The keyblade Kairi uses is the same with Aqua receives after talking to Kairi: Destiny Place. 

As for Riku , yes maybe. It's plausible. I hope it's explained later in KH3

 

 

 

Well at least I was almost close, it was around the same time.

Thanks. 

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

A lot of this is speculation but I'm saying it anyway.

First off, I think the Keyblade is the power of ones heart made manifest, which is why each Keyblade only has one true master. We've already seen two Keyblades that were literally made out of hearts. The fake Keyblade of peoples hearts, and the x-Blade. If the it were a man-made weapon the strength of the wielder heart would be irrelevant.The Kingdom Key was meant to be Riku's Keyblade. When the island was swallowed by darkness Sora touched Riku's heart (the light) just has the Kingdom key was emergeing. While it's been said that Sora does not need Ven's heart to wield the Keyblade I think he may have at that point and it was only after the Keyblade left Riku for Sora that his heart was strong enough to wield it on his own.By the time Roxas defeated Xion I believe Ven's heart was just starting to awaken, unlocking the Synch Blade ability. Finally, I don't think the Destiny's Embrace is Kairi's Keyblade. I think Riku found it in the Chamber of Waking in Hollow Bastion and was drawn to it by his subconscious memories of Aqua. I believe he was thinking "Kairi needs a weapon" and when he thought of her, it became the Destiny's Embrace. We've seen that a wielder can wield multiple blades as long as their true wielders allow. But we've never seen anyone with just one heart actually summon multiple blades.

 Well Nomura has already stated Sora was always destined to wield - all Ven's heart basically did was expedite the process pretty much. His heart was strong enough to be able to save Ven's heart twice-- as a newborn and at four. Must mean something if you ask me ..Also, at the time Kh1 was made Ven never even existed and yet Sora was able to access the keyblade that was meant for Riku when he fell .Just sayin'

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Again,most of what I said is speculation

 

But my point is,there was no need to fill the whole dual wielding point if it won't affect the plot

[Shinigami 16]

You can only wield one keyblade if you have one heart, but you can access a variety of different keyblades with different keychains (the same way we switch out our own weapons in the game).  If you watch the clip, Riku isn't holding his own keyblade, he's summoned one using the keychain Destiny's Embrace, handed it over to Kairi (who most likely didn't even know she could summon one if she wanted) and then summoned his own after.  He only wields one keyblade at a time, keeping with the rule.  

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvPexuLu4cg

You do know that the keychain thing is mainly a gameplay mechanic and doesn't really affect the story, right? Plus, I don't recall any rules about the amount of Keyblades one can wield.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

 Well Nomura has already stated Sora was always destined to wield - all Ven's heart basically did was expedite the process pretty much. His heart was strong enough to be able to save Ven's heart twice-- as a newborn and at four. Must mean something if you ask me ..Also, at the time Kh1 was made Ven never even existed and yet Sora was able to access the keyblade that was meant for Riku when he fell .Just sayin'

Ah, but if Ven's heart expedited the process, wouldn't it make since for Sora's heart to not be strong enough to wield the Keyblade for most of the first game? Maybe if he had not been sheltering Ven's heart, he wouldn't have gotten the Keyblade at that point and have to wait for years to be able to wield one.Maybe sheltering/healing a heart doesn't take as much strength, or maybe anyone could do it if they were willing. Sora always was the generous type.As for you second point, you know how Nomua is about modifying the canon to fit new developments.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Isamu_Kuno

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

You do know that the keychain thing is mainly a gameplay mechanic and doesn't really affect the story, right? Plus, I don't recall any rules about the amount of Keyblades one can wield.

 I think she means you can switch out the keychains on the keyblade - which are based off the wielders memories from their experiences pretty much . As for the reason why one can dual wield is stated by Nomura ---Sora and Roxas can only dual wield bc they had another wielders heart inside their physical body - Ven's.

 

Ah, but if Ven's heart expedited the process, wouldn't it that mean Sora's heart was not yet strong enough to wield the Keyblade for most of the first game? Maybe sheltering/healing a heart doesn't take as much strength, or maybe anyone could do it if they were willing. Sora always was the generous type.

 

As for you second point, you know how Nomua is about modifying the canon to fit new developments.

 

I was just saying I felt it helped expedite it - not Nomura . Nomura's words were that Sora was always destined to wield and that Ven's heart only gave him the ability to dual wield.. I don't think just anyone could do that type of healing as Nomura and others like Ansem the Wise have stated how Sora seems to be able to do things others cannot or haven't - just like when it's said in DDD where if Sora sees a heart in something than it can become real or something like that .There is something about Sora despite him being just a "normal boy ". There is a reason why,  like Roxas said, 'it has to be him '( Sora). As for my second point it still stands considering Nomura has never stated differently in later games regardless.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[Reyn 1,755]

I know I bitched about Birth by Sleep a lot...but this point is so stupid it's hard to overlook because it offers a piss-poor explanation of a battle mechanic in KH2

 

Was Nomura drinking some beers with Zagnief when he was thinking of this idea???

 

Since when you ever heard of "You need two hearts to wield two of the same weapon" and thought of it as a good explanation???

 

And before you pull the bullshit that is "Sora can only wield the keyblade because of Ventus"....no he isn't.It was clearly explained that the Kingdom Key keyblade went to Sora when Riku joined the dark side and later on accepted it as it's new master

 

The only thing that Ven's heart add is dual wielding(The ability to wield two keyblades) and that's where I call bullshit.

 

In what fantasy or fiction did a warrior needed an extra heart to wield another blade and made any kind of sense???

 

Let's apply this thing on other examples to see how jarring it is:

 

Gilgamesh from FF5.....does he need six hearts to wield the six weapons he uses???

 

Let's take another stupid example shall we

 

Imagine you were in the world of Pokemon starting your Journey...you get your starter...you go the wild and right before you try to catch that Pidey,the words of Professor Oak echoes:HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD IT.YOU NEED 5 MORE HEARTS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO TRAIN 5 MORE POKEMON.......Doesn't make any sense now,does it?.

 

The Dual wield has never affected the story in any major way except for Roxas....who basically wields his own Keyblade and Sora's Keyblade due to their connection as a human and his nobody.....at least this make a little bit of sense than the two hearts crap

 

So why in the world does a gameplay mechanic in KH2 that doesn't affect neither the story or the cutscenes(except for Roxas) needs a half-assed explanation like this??

 

Sure Sora might use more Dual Wielding in KH3 from the descriptions we've seen so far about the new trailer.....BUT HE SHOULDN'T NEED AN EXTRA HEART TO BEGIN WITH

 

 

Kingdom Hearts is still my favorite series of all time,I still love it...but I hope for this explanation(which hasn't been mentioned in the game but by Nomura) to be either retconned or never implement it again

 

The Keyblade,even though it might be the strongest weapon,is still a sword no matter how you look at it just as the likes of Excalibur or even Soul Calibur and Soul Edge

I know it doesnt make sense, but i mean, ITS A FIRETRUCKING FANTASY GAME, ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE MORE REALISTIC LIKE FF, ITS A GAME MADE TO APPEAL TO AN AUDIENCE OF PEOPLE FROM LITTLE KIDS TO YOUNG ADULTS. ITS NOT LIKE FF WHERE ITS SUPPOSED TO APPEAL MORE TO YOUNG ADULTS MAN. I thought it wasnt really that dumb of a plot point, it makes sense to me. Only one keyblade is tied to your heart, and normally people in the RoL only have one heart. But since Sora has ven's heart, he's wielding Ven's keyblade along with his own. I feel it makes more sense then just leaving the plot point without a reason, since you never see any other keyblade wielder dual wielding.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

 I think she means you can switch out the keychains on the keyblade - which are based off the wielders memories from their experiences pretty much . As for the reason why one can dual wield is stated by Nomura ---Sora and Roxas can only dual wield bc they had another wielders heart inside their physical body - Ven's.

 

 

I was just saying I felt it helped expedite it - not Nomura . Nomura's words were that Sora was always destined to wield and that Ven's heart only gave him the ability to dual wield.. I don't think just anyone could do that type of healing as Nomura and others like Ansem the Wise have stated how Sora sees to be able to do things others cannot or havent - just like when it's said in DDD where if Sora sees a heart in something than it can become real or something like that .There is something about Sora despite him being just a "normal boy ". There is a reason why,  like Roxas said, 'it has to be him '( Sora). As for my second point it still stands considering Nomura has never stated differently in later games regardless.

I was just saying that I think the reason why Sora could use Riku's Keyblade was at first because of Ven and if Ven didn't exist, Nomura would have thought of another reason. 

I just think that if Sora was strong enough to wield the Keyblade from the get go, Riku couldn't have taken it from him in the first place. And even if he still did because it was technically supposed to be his, Sora could have just summoned his own.

 

[Dio Brando 5,810]

I know it doesnt make sense, but i mean, ITS A FIRETRUCKING FANTASY GAME, ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE MORE REALISTIC LIKE FF, ITS A GAME MADE TO APPEAL TO AN AUDIENCE OF PEOPLE FROM LITTLE KIDS TO YOUNG ADULTS. ITS NOT LIKE FF WHERE ITS SUPPOSED TO APPEAL MORE TO YOUNG ADULTS MAN. I thought it wasnt really that dumb of a plot point, it makes sense to me. Only one keyblade is tied to your heart, and normally people in the RoL only have one heart. But since Sora has ven's heart, he's wielding Ven's keyblade along with his own. I feel it makes more sense then just leaving the plot point without a reason, since you never see any other keyblade wielder dual wielding.

I didn't say we should apply logic to it

 

I said that plot point was unnessecary

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I was just saying that I think the reason why Sora could use Riku's Keyblade was at first because of Ven and if Ven didn't exist, Nomura would have thought of another reason. I just think that if Sora was strong enough to wield the Keyblade from the get go, Riku couldn't have taken it from him in the first place. And even if he still did because it was technically supposed to be his, Sora could have just summoned his own. 

 

 

The thing is - you normally need the keyblade ceremony to even be a candidate for your own keyblade to choose you  - something Sora never had . Nomura has confirmed that Sora is the only wielder to have never had the ceremony . So the fact that the reason Riku could take it back bc it was rightfully his makes sense . The fact that it ended up choosing Sora permanently speaks volumns considering that fact .Nomura doesn't necessarily need to think of a reason except to say Sora was meant to have it - destiny doesn't always need to have a detailed explanation other than the keyblade ended up choosing the next worthy candidate after Riku fell-

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

The thing is - you normally need the keyblade ceremony to even be a candidate for your own keyblade to choose you  - something Sora never had . Nomura has confirmed that Sora is the only wielder to have never had the ceremony . So the fact that the reason Riku could take it back bc it was rightfully his makes sense . The fact that it ended up choosing Sora permanently speaks volumns considering that fact .Nomura doesn't necessarily need to think of a reason except to say Sora was meant to have it - destiny doesn't always need to have a detailed explanation other than the keyblade ended up choosing the next worthy candidate after Riku fell-

But Xehanort fell too and he kept his.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

But Xehanort fell too and he kept his.

 

But Xehanort had learned to control the darkness. Riku hadn't yet  - so his heart was weakened . Later on his heart was worthy again enough to summon his own new keyblade and we know he had to journey to achieve control of this problem- hence why DDD was Riku's game to help show this.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

But Xehanort had learned to control the darkness. Riku hadn't yet  - so his heart was weakened . Later on his heart was worthy again enough to summon his own new keyblade and we know he had to journey to achieve control of this problem- hence why DDD was Riku's game to help show this.

Maybe. I still think that Ven's heart had something to do with Sora getting they Keyblade when he did. I really think that if it weren't for Ven's heart, he wouldn't have gotten they Keyblade when Riku was swallowed. I think it woud have taken longer. Much longer. 

But we're getting off pint. I think the 2 Hearts=2 Keyblades thing makes sense.