Death in Kingdom Hearts

[Tyrants 18]

If we have our first death in KH, it better not be someone "spiriting away". I want to see the body (it doesn't have to be gory, though)

 

I really see no reason for the KH team to censor something like this. I mean, seriously, this game is a mix between Final Fantasy and Disney. Anyone remember Clayton's death where you see the shadow of his hanging body, the quail that got shot in Bambi or all of those dead people from FF7? It's not like there are much children in the fandom (heck, older people outnumber children in the gaming community in general)

 

Just my 2 cents, I want to see a dead body and someone crying over it so I can cry as well.

 

 

[Danex Darkfire + 1,712]

Master Eraqus died, it wasn't very serious, but depressing none the less. Xion died too, and that was pretty depressing. Axel died too, that kinda sucked. Ansem the wise kinda died, that wasn't fun to watch. I don't think we have a problem here.

[opinion 83]

If we have our first death in KH, it better not be someone "spiriting away". I want to see the body (it doesn't have to be gory, though)

 

I really see no reason for the KH team to censor something like this. I mean, seriously, this game is a mix between Final Fantasy and Disney. Anyone remember Clayton's death where you see the shadow of his hanging body, the quail that got shot in Bambi or all of those dead people from FF7? It's not like there are much children in the fandom (heck, older people outnumber children in the gaming community in general)

 

Just my 2 cents, I want to see a dead body and someone crying over it so I can cry as well.

Not gonna happen.

[Tyrants 18]

Master Eraqus died, it wasn't very serious, but depressing none the less. Xion died too, and that was pretty depressing. Axel died too, that kinda sucked. Ansem the wise kinda died, that wasn't fun to watch. I don't think we have a problem here.

Personally, I couldn't feel much emotion towards any of those. When you make something feel like a "fantasy" it really isn't that effective (at least towards me). Like when Tidus faded away, I didn't find it sad. The reason why a realistic death works for me is because itcould actually happen. I know how it is like to hold the body of a loved one before. Not fun, at all.

I know it is kinda like a fantasy game, but there should be some elements that are real (like in both Disney and Final Fantasy)

Edited October 8, 2013 by Tyrants

[Kittenz 4,281]

Master Eraqus died, it wasn't very serious, but depressing none the less. Xion died too, and that was pretty depressing. Axel died too, that kinda sucked. Ansem the wise kinda died, that wasn't fun to watch. I don't think we have a problem here.

Sora died when he commited suicide, one does not simply stab themselves and not die. He came back, but still..

Also kairi died if you want to get technical

[Shulk 8,623]

Master Eraqus died, it wasn't very serious, but depressing none the less. Xion died too, and that was pretty depressing. Axel died too, that kinda sucked. Ansem the wise kinda died, that wasn't fun to watch. I don't think we have a problem here.

None of them died. Eraqus escaped to Terra's heart, Xion lives on inside Sora, Axel was revived as Lea, and Ansem is in the Dark Margin now. No one's ever died in KH yet.

 

Sora died when he commited suicide, one does not simply stab themselves and not die. He came back, but still..

Also kairi died if you want to get technical

Sora didn't commit suicide, he sacrificed himself. There's a HUGE difference... Trust me.

[Caity 3,946]

I don't mind people fading away, just have someone die (and not a main enemy cause THAT'S EXPECTED) who stays dead.  It completely debunks the significance of any death in KH when all, bar Eraqus (so far) have returned.  I personally don't care for gore and such in deaths, I don't find it appealing.  The thing is with the Disney movies you have to remember a lot of the death details are forgotten (or not remembered completely) like I completely forgot you saw Clayton's silhouette hanging or Tarzan's parents corpses until I rewatched the film years later.  The main thing comes with age ratings.  Including graphic death scenes will bump up the rating, and considering their appeal is DISNEY (+Final Fantasy) they will cut off half the market they are attracting because they aren't old enough to play.  

 

None of them died. Eraqus escaped to Terra's heart, Xion lives on inside Sora, Axel was revived as Lea, and Ansem is in the Dark Margin now. No one's ever died in KH yet.

 

Sora didn't commit suicide, he sacrificed himself. There's a HUGE difference... Trust me.

 

Technically Eraqus did die, MX dealt the final blow killing him (as said by Nomura), just so happened his heart then fell into Terra instead of moving on to "a better place".  

[Tyrants 18]

I don't mind people fading away, just have someone die (and not a main enemy cause THAT'S EXPECTED) who stays dead.  It completely debunks the significance of any death in KH when all, bar Eraqus (so far) have returned.  I personally don't care for gore and such in deaths, I don't find it appealing.  The thing is with the Disney movies you have to remember a lot of the death details are forgotten (or not remembered completely) like I completely forgot you saw Clayton's silhouette hanging or Tarzan's parents corpses until I rewatched the film years later.  The main thing comes with age ratings.  Including graphic death scenes will bump up the rating, and considering their appeal is DISNEY (+Final Fantasy) they will cut off half the market they are attracting because they aren't old enough to play.  

Um, you know you can have a realistic death without blood (hence why I mentioned to nix the gore).

[LeYenrz 276]

i always wondered if death is even possible in kingdom hearts. Even though Sora stabbed himself in the chest, it was to let his heart free so it's not exactly a blood-death scene. and Xion, since she's a person made of memories, she disappeared into shards. 

 

But with Eraqus, it was different. The attacks dealt to him were meant to kill him. Yet he disappeared into sparkles as well. so i have no idea if true death is even possible in kingdom hearts. after all you have to consider that nobody/heartless/human life cycle.

[Wisdomform 221]

No one really dies in Kingdom Hearts.

 

and if so they won't actually ever show a dead body considering it is a Disney game.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I don't mind people fading away, just have someone die (and not a main enemy cause THAT'S EXPECTED) who stays dead.  It completely debunks the significance of any death in KH when all, bar Eraqus (so far) have returned.  I personally don't care for gore and such in deaths, I don't find it appealing.  The thing is with the Disney movies you have to remember a lot of the death details are forgotten (or not remembered completely) like I completely forgot you saw Clayton's silhouette hanging or Tarzan's parents corpses until I rewatched the film years later.  The main thing comes with age ratings.  Including graphic death scenes will bump up the rating, and considering their appeal is DISNEY (+Final Fantasy) they will cut off half the market they are attracting because they aren't old enough to play.  

 

 

Technically Eraqus did die, MX dealt the final blow killing him (as said by Nomura), just so happened his heart then fell into Terra instead of moving on to "a better place".  

 

I agree with all of this but I do have to point out Eraqus' heart being in Terra does leave an opening for a possible return especially with AtW's hidden data. Also, for some reason people forget Repliku died .

[Tyrants 18]

No one really dies in Kingdom Hearts.

 

and if so they won't actually ever show a dead body considering it is a Disney game.

As mentioned in the OP, death and dead bodies are not new to Disney.

The thing is with the Disney movies you have to remember a lot of the death details are forgotten (or not remembered completely) like I completely forgot you saw Clayton's silhouette hanging or Tarzan's parents corpses until I rewatched the film years later.

 

Oh yeah! I just remembered, what about Mufasa's death?

[MasterXemnas 2,285]

Fool. I think we've seen the closest thing to a death already. It's not a kh style to show actual dead people.

[Neptune Vasilias 340]

We Wielders don't die they multiply

[XxBlossomingNobodyxX 298]

I agree with all of this but I do have to point out Eraqus' heart being in Terra does leave an opening for a possible return especially with AtW's hidden data. Also, for some reason people forget Repliku died .

You remembered him! Everybody always forgets poor Repliku

[Ultima Spark 753]

Having someone return to life doesn't change the fact that their death actually happened! The majority of the Organization, for example (Vexen's death is pretty graphic despite being bloodless, considering it was straight-up murder).

 

Sora didn't commit suicide, he sacrificed himself. There's a HUGE difference... Trust me.

 

The exact definition of suicide is that one kills oneself intentionally. Motive doesn't matter. Neither Sora nor Axel expected to return, so yes, their sacrifices can be termed as "suicide" (Axel especially).

[Shulk 8,623]

Having someone return to life doesn't change the fact that their death actually happened! The majority of the Organization, for example (Vexen's death is pretty graphic despite being bloodless, considering it was straight-up murder).

 

 

The exact definition of suicide is that one kills oneself intentionally. Motive doesn't matter. Neither Sora nor Axel expected to return, so yes, their sacrifices can be termed as "suicide" (Axel especially).

Sacrifice is done to save someone else, it has meaning. Suicide has no reasoning. There's a major difference.

[Ultima Spark 753]

Sacrifice is done to save someone else, it has meaning. Suicide has no reasoning. There's a major difference.

 

Most suicides may be done under the influence of depression, but that doesn't change the meaning of the word (literally self-kill). Axel knew he was going to die when he used that kamikaze Megaflare, yet he did anyway. Hence, suicide attack. Sora knew he would likely never return from Heartless-ification (only his incredible strength of will/bond with Kairi/Kairi's princess powers prevented that). Still suicide, since becoming a Heartless is as good as death.

 

As for grieving: Roxas. He just happens to deal with it differently: with violence. He lashes out at the Organization when Xion dies, he lashes out at Sora when Axel dies.

Edited October 9, 2013 by Ultima Spark

[Tyrants 18]

Fool. I think we've seen the closest thing to a death already. It's not a kh style to show actual dead people.

 

Since when did KH have a strict set of rules?

Edited October 9, 2013 by Tyrants

[SHAZOW 269]

Be careful what you ask for...

 

**Axel dies**

[Tyrants 18]

 

Be careful what you ask for...**Axel dies**

 

He's actually one of the few in my Deathnote /shot

Having someone return to life doesn't change the fact that their death actually happened! The majority of the Organization, for example (Vexen's death is pretty graphic despite being bloodless, considering it was straight-up murder).

 

Yeah, but bringing them back to life makes their death... meaningless. It's like Shadow the Hedgehog all over again.

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

Death isn't necessary for the kind of drama you're seeking. From what I've heard, Fairy Tail managed to go almost it's entire series run without any deaths...and then somebody died apparently. But that's beside the point. The point is that death isn't always necessary to create that sort of impact you feel when somebody leaves your life. Kingdom Hearts has shown much of that impact, and even had a few death fake outs.

 

I suppose one death wouldn't really bug me if it happened, but ONLY if it lead to something good later on (or Disney magic revives him or something like that). Otherwise, my only complaint about death is Ursula in KH2. How the hell did she come back!!?? There were explanations for some of the other villains. Jafar was freed from his lamp, Hades is a god and can't ever really die, Maleficent was brought back by people's memories, Oggie Boogie was resurected by Maleficent, and Hook (in 358/2 Days) escaped the Crocodile I guess. But Ursula is just...there! No explanation. What's worse, it's like no one except Sora, Donald, and Goofy remember what happened in KH1. Ariel acts like she never met Ursula, let alone heard of her, and she makes the same stupid mistake she made in the first game. I can understand trying to bring the story of the world closer to that of the movie, but at the very least they should have given a good reason why Ursula was back and Ariel can't seem to remember who she is or why it's a bad idea to trust her. No amount of half-decent Haley Joel Osmet singing can distract me from this inconsistency!

[MasterXemnas 2,285]

Since when did KH have a strict set of rules?

Fool. Since when did rule mean the same thing as style?

[Tyrants 18]

Death isn't necessary for the kind of drama you're seeking. From what I've heard, Fairy Tail managed to go almost it's entire series run without any deaths...and then somebody died apparently. But that's beside the point. The point is that death isn't always necessary to create that sort of impact you feel when somebody leaves your life. Kingdom Hearts has shown much of that impact, and even had a few death fake outs.

 

I suppose one death wouldn't really bug me if it happened, but ONLY if it lead to something good later on (or Disney magic revives him or something like that). Otherwise, my only complaint about death is Ursula in KH2. How the hell did she come back!!?? There were explanations for some of the other villains. Jafar was freed from his lamp, Hades is a god and can't ever really die, Maleficent was brought back by people's memories, Oggie Boogie was resurected by Maleficent, and Hook (in 358/2 Days) escaped the Crocodile I guess. But Ursula is just...there! No explanation. What's worse, it's like no one except Sora, Donald, and Goofy remember what happened in KH1. Ariel acts like she never met Ursula, let alone heard of her, and she makes the same stupid mistake she made in the first game. I can understand trying to bring the story of the world closer to that of the movie, but at the very least they should have given a good reason why Ursula was back and Ariel can't seem to remember who she is or why it's a bad idea to trust her. No amount of half-decent Haley Joel Osmet singing can distract me from this inconsistency!

 

Like mentioned before, I personally cannot take fantasy deaths much seriously, even when they are permanent.

 

Maybe to give us a reason to fight her again?

Fool. Since when did rule mean the same thing as style?

Okay, since when did KH have a strict style.

[MasterXemnas 2,285]

Like mentioned before, I personally cannot take fantasy deaths much seriously, even when they are permanent.

 

Maybe to give us a reason to fight her again?

Okay, since when did KH have a strict style.

Fool. Ever since every game has followed the style.