U.S Government Shut Down

[Sora96 17,256]

Well the U.S is firetrucked.

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

Wait, WHAT!?

[Fierce Deity Link 925]

Oh. ._.

 

If I'm dead tomorrow, you know why.

[Javelin434 3,164]

And what's worse: The Congressional reps STILL get paid.... While our service members suffer...

[Moochieh32 676]

When did this happen?

Edited October 1, 2013 by Moochieh32

[Cyber Shaman 990]

All I can say is;

[Elijah Gravenhorst 480]

...

Edited October 1, 2013 by Elijah Gravenhorst

[RoxSox 3,593]

Ummmmm says who?

 

Go look at the firetrucking news for Gods sake.

[Cyber Shaman 990]

Ummmmm says who?

Most likely the president himself. Their going bankrupt. Yeah even I can't believe this. 'Maurica

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

Why do I get the feeling that this is going to give SOPA 2013 a back-door somehow?

[AJTREY 70]

And what's worse: The Congressional reps STILL get paid.... While our service members suffer...

 

Actually the 2nd statement (the one about our service members) isn't true. President Obama signed a bill (the ONE thing that both houses were able to agree upon) that will continue to give pay to active members of the military

Edited October 1, 2013 by AJTREY

[Javelin434 3,164]

Actually the 2nd statement (the one about our service members) isn't true. President Obama signed a bill (the ONE thing that both houses were able to agree upon) that will continue to give pay to active members of the military

Then I stand corrected. Better tell all my enlisted friends!

[lostmemory123 1,056]

Welp,time to sit back and enjoy this crazy ride.

Damn we might be screwed.

[chi-blade 125]

Why do I get the feeling that this is going to give SOPA 2013 a back-door somehow?

Who cares about SOPA and ACTA when they just passed the NSA.

[Columned-Munny 274]

This actually has happened before, 17 years ago. While it's bad, it isn't as bad as the upcoming debt ceiling, wherein if Congress refuses to authorize raising the ceiling the U.S. defaults on its debts, which in turn could cause dire harm to the global economy.

 

This shutdown, bear in mind, was preventable. The Senate passed a clean bill to keep everything running which the president would've signed. It was the House of Representatives that couldn't get over its agenda, deciding that if they couldn't delay the Affordable Care Act then the government shouldn't run. Of course, the Affordable Care Act doesn't actually depend on the government running in order to go into effect, so they've damaged the country for nothing.

 

Why didn't the Senate just let the bill with amendments pass, you ask? A few reasons:

 

-The bill would've delayed implementation of the Affordable Care Act, a law that was at the heart of debate during two national elections in which the majority of Americans voted for its maker, President Obama. The law was also deemed constitutional by the Supreme Court.

 

-In passing this bill the Democrats would've acquiesced to the Republican's, more specifically the Tea Party's, demands. This extremist group has been gerrymandered into power, high-jacking their own party and forcing them to take extreme positions just to stay elected. Instead of compromise, they're only interested in their agenda, and will not take "no" for an answer (see the repeated presenting of an amended bill in the past few days, the 42 times they've attempted to defund the Affordable Care Act before this.) Giving into their wants would mean a total disregard for the actual results of the past elections, in which the Democrats retained control of the Senate and the presidency. Even in the last election the Democrats received more votes in the House, yet somehow the Republicans kept the majority. Though the Tea Party and Republicans certainly represent the people who elected them, they do not have a mandate from the majority of the country.

 

 

And what's worse: The Congressional reps STILL get paid.... While our service members suffer...

While it does seem like a bad thing, Congress's pay not being tied to legislative action is incredibly important. If their actions could influence their own pay, then they'd be able to give themselves raises at their own discretion. Remember, somebody still has to fix the situation, and the only people who can do that are the elected representatives. 

Edited October 2, 2013 by Columned-Munny

[OthersiderME 614]

(see the repeated presenting of an amended bill in the past few days, the 42 times they've attempted to defund the Affordable Care Act before this.)

I'm just going to stress this one bit of data.  I'm going to assume they've failed 42 times as well, yet they continue trying.  There's a point where stubbornness is unproductive and this is it.

[Sora'sMum 352]

Welp,time to sit back and enjoy this crazy ride.

Damn we might be screwed.

+1 for Gus!

 

Also, I assume this will be a bad thing for America, and then eventually the world. But go Australia. #thanksabbott

[snowbraker262 15]

If it makes anyone feel any better, my home land of Britain is on the verge of financial collapse too, according to the online advertising made by Moneyweek magazine during the past week. Why can't they just manufacture more money to help the world economy instead of debating what should be spent on what and how to short-change the public?

Edited October 1, 2013 by snowbraker262

[Hero of Winds 2,576]

Well, it's about damn time. Maybe when we reboot we'll be more worried about the economy. Hail anarchy, here we come.

[Shard the Gentleman 2,891]

*waits for marshal law to be enacted.*If that happens, guys, you better rescue me.

[chi-blade 125]

Oh well, China will do good as superpower instead.

[OmegaForte 1,674]

If it makes anyone feel any better, my home land of Britain is on the verge of financial collapse too, according to the online advertising made by Moneyweek magazine during the past week. Why can't they just manufacture more money to help the world economy instead of debating what should be spent on what and how to short-change the public?

I believe, for example the dollar, drop down in value. Don't quote me on that though, there could be more than meets the eye. Eh I'll just sit back and watch.

[AJTREY 70]

This actually has happened before, 17 years ago. While it's bad, it isn't as bad as the upcoming debt ceiling, wherein if Congress refuses to authorize raising the ceiling the U.S. defaults on its debts, which in turn could cause dire harm to the global economy.

 

This shutdown, bear in mind, was preventable. The Senate passed a clean bill to keep everything running which the president would've signed. It was the House of Representatives that couldn't get over its agenda, deciding that if they couldn't delay the Affordable Care Act then the government shouldn't run. Of course, the Affordable Care Act doesn't actually depend on the government running in order to go into effect, so they've damaged the country for nothing.

 

Why didn't the Senate just let the bill with amendments pass, you ask? A few reasons:

 

-The bill would've delayed implementation of the Affordable Care Act, a law that was at the heart of debate during two national elections in which the majority of Americans voted for its maker, President Obama. The law was also deemed constitutional by the Supreme Court.

 

-In passing this bill the Democrats would've acquiesced to the Republican's, more specifically the Tea Party's, demands. This extremist group has been gerrymandered into power, high-jacking their own party and forcing them to take extreme positions just to stay elected. Instead of compromise, they're only interested in their agenda, and will not take "no" for an answer (see the repeated presenting of an amended bill in the past few days, the 42 times they've attempted to defund the Affordable Care Act before this.) Giving into their wants would mean a total disregard for the actual results of the past elections, in which the Democrats retained control of the Senate and the presidency. Even in the last election the Democrats received more votes in the House, yet somehow the Republicans kept the majority. Though the Tea Party and Republicans certainly represent the people who elected them, they do not have a mandate from the majority of the country.

 

 

While it does seem like a bad thing, Congress's pay not being tied to legislative action is incredibly important. If their actions could influence their own pay, then they'd be able to give themselves raises at their own discretion. Remember, somebody still has to fix the situation, and the only people who are can do that are the elected representatives. 

There is actually a legitimate argument depending on how you view Article 1 Section 10 of the US Constitution plus a long-forgotten section of the 14th amendment on the validity of the public debt that defaulting on the debt is unconstitutional (and SCOTUS agrees- Perry v. United States (1935))

[Columned-Munny 274]

There is actually a legitimate argument depending on how you view Article 1 Section 10 of the US Constitution plus a long-forgotten section of the 14th amendment on the validity of the public debt that defaulting on the debt is unconstitutional (and SCOTUS agrees- Perry v. United States (1935))

Indeed. I personally hope the 14th Amendment will be invoked, as such a crisis should not be used to wedge in the agenda of the minority party, or any party for that matter. 

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

If it makes anyone feel any better, my home land of Britain is on the verge of financial collapse too, according to the online advertising made by Moneyweek magazine during the past week. Why can't they just manufacture more money to help the world economy instead of debating what should be spent on what and how to short-change the public?

 

Great, now I just feel scared for the world in general rather than just the US.