Okay, so tell me if I got this right (Xehanorts Plans)

[SoraKH 793]

Xehanort's Main goal: To start a new keyblade war

 

Plans:

 

1) Ventus+Vanitas= χblade= New keyblade war (Failed)

Ventus was proven weak towards the darkness

 

2) Xehanort+Terra= Terranhort (Success)

Xehanort transfered his body into a younger vessel so he could continue what he started.

 

3) 13 Darknesses and 7 lights: Xehanort's 1st backup plan was in BBS when he asked Braig to gather 13 strong beings to fill them up with parts of darkness from Xehanorts heart = Org.13

Failed= some members were defeated, while others weren't strong enough

 

At the same time....

 

4) Xehanort manipulates Maleficent to gather 7 lights (Princesses)

Failed= Sora saved them

 

5) Backup plan for 3+4=

Ansem went back in time and gave Y.X. the ability to time travel.

Goal: Gather incarnations of his self to form a new org.13. Sora is chosen to as the 13th vessel after Riku but insted he gets rescued.

 

Final: Xehanort will strike in KHIII clashing 13 darknesses with 7 lights, reforming the χblade.

 

 

Did I get it right or was writing all this just a waste of time?

[Varnish 319]

Master Xehanort transferred his heart to Terra's body to combine with Terra's heart. What happened to Master Xehanort's body is unknown.

Master Xehanort did not ask Braig to gather other vessels for his heart. Braig helped Master Xehanort through pretending to hold Master Xehanort hostage (to trick Terra, and further prove his loyalty to Master Xehanort), provoking Terra into using his darkness (leading to Master Xehanort making his heart fuse with Terra's), and (most importantly) becoming the first vessel for Master Xehanort's heart.

After the apprentices (including Apprentice Xehanort) became Nobodies, they went to The World That Never Was. Other human-shaped Nobodies (including Roxas, but not until well into the time of Kingdom Hearts I) were located some time after this had happened.

During the time of 358/2 Days and Chain of Memories, Xemnas wanted Saix to get rid of untrusted Organisation members. Saix sent Marluxia, Zexion, Larxene, Lexaeus and Vexen to Castle Oblivion, and sent Axel as well; to kill all of them. Originally, only Larxene and Marluxia were supposed to be sent to Castle Oblivion and killed (if memory serves), but Saix took advantage of the opportunity and had the other three killed as well; so that he could continue with the plan that him and Axel had (to kill Xemnas) without them threatening his position.

The other reason for why Xemnas wanted some members sent to Castle Oblivion was so that they could force Namine to disconnect Sora's memories and make him fall asleep so that his memories would flow into Roxas, but that is a different subject.

Edited September 28, 2013 by Varnish

[Danex Darkfire + 1,712]

Master Xehanort transferred his heart to Terra's body to combine with Terra's heart. What happened to Master Xehanort's body is unknown.

Master Xehanort did not ask Braig to gather other vessels for his heart. Braig helped Master Xehanort through pretending to hold Master Xehanort hostage (to trick Terra, and further prove his loyalty to Master Xehanort), provoking Terra into using his darkness (leading to Master Xehanort making his heart fuse with Terra's), and (most importantly) becoming the first vessel for Master Xehanort's heart.

After the apprentices (including Apprentice Xehanort) became Nobodies, they went to The World That Never Was. Other human-shaped Nobodies (including Roxas, but not until well into the time of Kingdom Hearts I) were located some time after this had happened.

During the time of 358/2 Days and Chain of Memories, Xemnas wanted Saix to get rid of untrusted Organisation members. Saix sent Marluxia, Zexion, Larxene, Lexaeus and Vexen to Castle Oblivion, and sent Axel as well; to kill all of them. Originally, only Larxene and Marluxia were supposed to be sent to Castle Oblivion and killed (if memory serves), but Saix took advantage of the opportunity and had the other three killed as well; so that he could continue with the plan that him and Axel had (to kill Xemnas) without them threatening his position.

The other reason for why Xemnas wanted some members sent to Castle Oblivion was so that they could force Namine to disconnect Sora's memories and make him fall asleep so that his memories would flow into Roxas, but that is a different subject.

I've been on here for a day or two now and nothing is as good as finding other people who share my crazy obsession.

[SoraKH 793]

I've been on here for a day or two now and nothing is as good as finding other people who share my crazy obsession.

ahahahahahahahahaahhaha ;p i'm glad i'm not the only one

[Varnish 319]

I've been on here for a day or two now and nothing is as good as finding other people who share my crazy obsession.

What do you mean, exactly?

[Danex Darkfire + 1,712]

What do you mean, exactly?

you have to be somewhat obsessed if you go on a website solely for kingdom hearts, and talk about something that you hardly see in the game with such great detail, no offense

Edited September 28, 2013 by Danex Darkfire

[Uchiha 47]

So Terra's heart fused with Master Xehanort's heart.. When Master Xehanort came back, what happened to Terra's body and heart (still fused with MX's heart?) I'm guessing the current Ansem SOD and Xemnas don't count because they are from an alternate timeline (correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the only way I can make sense of it)I think my head hurts

[Robin 206]

revelation!!!! you know how sora turned into a heartless and the whole thing about him having ventus's heart is why he regained his body and then his heart returned??? something like that, anyways so now that terra's been released the same thing should happen because master eraqus's heart is within him!!! AM I RIGHT???  someone tell me i'm wrong so i can figure this out in my head

[VanitasTheBest 196]

Master Xehanort transferred his heart to Terra's body to combine with Terra's heart. What happened to Master Xehanort's body is unknown.

Uh, yeah, sure, nothing of that was said anywhere. I hope this is jsut speculation, because we DON'T KNOW what happened to Terra's Heart. And what do you mean with "What happened to Master Xehanort's body is unknown"

 

Master Xehanort did not ask Braig to gather other vessels for his heart.

He was in charge of finding new vessels when he was in the Orga.

 

so that he could continue with the plan that him and Axel had (to kill Xemnas) without them threatening his position.

The Plan of these two wasn't explained either. And I'm pretty sure it isn't killing Xemnas...

 

The other reason for why Xemnas wanted some members sent to Castle Oblivion was so that they could force Namine to disconnect Sora's memories and make him fall asleep so that his memories would flow into Roxas, but that is a different subject.

And to find the chamber of awakening were Ventus sleeps...

Pretty odd what you wrote there..

[Dave 5,715]

Actually, there is no plan. Xehanort just waits until a random sequence of events occurs, and then claims that it was part of the plan.

 

He's actually a shoe salesman from New Jersey.

[Varnish 319]

you have to be somewhat obsessed if you go on a website solely for kingdom hearts, and talk about something that you hardly see in the game with such great detail, no offense

None taken.

 

Pretty odd what you wrote there..

Unfortunately for you, I am the one who was correct. It did not need to have been said in the games for it to have occurred.

[VanitasTheBest 196]

Unfortunately for you, I am the one who was correct. It did not need to have been said in the games for it to have occurred.

You do know that Nomura is the one who says what's true in KH and what's not, right? ... If the things you said are "correct" then there should be facts or sentences from Nomura to prove it. I've been reading the Days Ultimania again and couldn't find anything about the Plan of Axel and Saix kto kill Xemnas for example... Pls, show me the proof that everything what you wrote is not just speculation.

Edited September 28, 2013 by VanitasTheBest

[Varnish 319]

You do know that Nomura is the one who says what's true in KH and what's not, right? ... If the things you said are "correct" then there should be facts or sentences from Nomura to prove it. I've been reading the Days Ultimania again and couldn't find anything about the Plan of Axel and Saix kto kill Xemnas for example... Pls, show me the proof that everything what you wrote is not just speculation.

Talk to these people: http://kh-info-block.tumblr.com/. They never tell a lie.

Otherwise, go and be snarky somewhere else.

[VanitasTheBest 196]

Talk to these people: http://kh-info-block.tumblr.com/. They never tell a lie.

Otherwise, go and be snarky somewhere else.

Oh so you got everything you know from a Fanmade tumblr Blog, am I seeing that right?It might be "Infos" or "Facts" that these guys are showing to the public in well formed sentences, but you can't take it for the truth if it's not the same what's posted in OFFICIAL SOURCES.I'm pretty sure they've got some Infos from the Ultimanias and stuff, but srsly. You have KH13 here. The biggest KH News Website. Search your Information here and if you don't find it as a quote from an official source, it's not a fact.(Just by the way, english is not my native language and I can't find a translation for "snarky" on the Internet... I would really like to know if there are other synonyms for that word.)

[Varnish 319]

Oh so you got everything you know from a Fanmade tumblr Blog, am I seeing that right?It might be "Infos" or "Facts" that these guys are showing to the public in well formed sentences, but you can't take it for the truth if it's not the same what's posted in OFFICIAL SOURCES.I'm pretty sure they've got some Infos from the Ultimanias and stuff, but srsly. You have KH13 here. The biggest KH News Website. Search your Information here and if you don't find it as a quote from an official source, it's not a fact.(Just by the way, english is not my native language and I can't find a translation for "snarky" on the Internet... I would really like to know if there are other synonyms for that word.)

I called you "snarky" because of what you wrote in my original post. It means "cheeky" or "naughty". I am sorry if I offended you.

They are a very reliable blog. They always have evidence for their statements, and they are usually quite thorough in their explanations. I have not liked the KH series for very long, but they gave me a lot of the information that I needed to know. I would read the interviews, but I do not know where to start.

[VanitasTheBest 196]

I called you "snarky" because of what you wrote in my original post. It means "cheeky" or "naughty". I am sorry if I offended you.

They are a very reliable blog. They always have evidence for their statements, and they are usually quite thorough in their explanations. I have not liked the KH series for very long, but they gave me a lot of the information that I needed to know. I would read the interviews, but I do not know where to start.

I didn't know what it means, so I surely don't take it as an insult. And yes, I tried to be a bit cheeky, I'm sorry for that, that's just how I am But thx anyway.I know there a lot of websites that gives out Explanations and Speculations for KH, because there's much stuff to speculate about in the KH series. That's probably why so many people like it. But if these informations are coming from Fanmade sites there's the possibility that you're spreading just some fanmade Theories and entitle them as "True Facts" ... That's how rumours are made most of the time.An example is the english KH Wiki. I've seen some articles there that are very informative and have many references to Ultimania and other interviews, but then there are also articles that have lots of information which can't really be proven true. It's odd to see such kind of "speculation" in a real Wiki, because they're supposed to show true Facts.It's just risky to answer questions with this, because with the next game it could all be proven false. But if you take information from official sources everyone can be sure that these are true.Of course you can answer questions with theories, I did that a lot and I'm still doing it, but with all these new Elements that are added in the games, most of it was proven to be wrong. There are many theories about the mysteries in the KH Universe, and because of that IMO it's important to show what's an official information and what's not.

Edited September 29, 2013 by VanitasTheBest

[Varnish 319]

I didn't know what it means, so I surely don't take it as an insult. And yes, I tried to be a bit cheeky, I'm sorry for that, that's just how I am But thx anyway.I know there a lot of websites that gives out Explanations and Speculations for KH, because there's much stuff to speculate about in the KH series. That's probably why so many people like it. But if these informations are coming from Fanmade sites there's the possibility that you're spreading just some fanmade Theories and entitle them as "True Facts" ... That's how rumours are made most of the time.An example is the english KH Wiki. I've seen some articles there that are very informative and have many references to Ultimania and other interviews, but then there are also articles that have lots of information which can't really be proven true. It's odd to see such kind of "speculation" in a real Wiki, because they're supposed to show true Facts.It's just risky to answer questions with this, because with the next game it could all be proven false. But if you take information from official sources everyone can be sure that these are true.Of course you can answer questions with theories, I did that a lot and I'm still doing it, but with all these new Elements that are added in the games, most of it was proven to be wrong. There are many theories about the mysteries in the KH Universe, and because of that IMO it's important to show what's an official information and what's not.

The people who are in charge of the "Info Block" assure me that all they say is true. Whenever they state what is a theory and not a fact, they say that it is a theory. I have never seen where all of the information that they have comes from, but I have trusted them so far. I see no reason not to.

I ignore the KH Wiki. I consider it to almost definitely have a fair portion incorrect information in it.

[VanitasTheBest 196]

I ignore the KH Wiki. I consider it to almost definitely have a fair portion incorrect information in it.

 

But it's most likely the same with this blog... If they have their Information from official sources than they'll have taken it from the same sources the Wiki did. They're just fans who write down their thoughts about the game. If it's true or not can only be proven by official sources, as I said before.For Example: It is never said anywhere that Terra's Heart is now combined with Xehanort's Heart... Of course, it could have happened, but there's no proof. My thoughts about this would be: If their hearts are combined, how can Xehanort come back in his original form? If the two hearts are one, than it should have been the Person with this one heart to be revived (Terranort) ... But the old Xehanort came back.It's the same with Axel's and Saix' Plan... Even in the Days Ultimania Interview it isn't said what the Plan is.And reading the Ultimania Interviews makes fun too. I translated the Re:Coded Ultimania Interviews into german after reading the english translation

[Varnish 319]

But it's most likely the same with this blog... If they have their Information from official sources than they'll have taken it from the same sources the Wiki did. They're just fans who write down their thoughts about the game. If it's true or not can only be proven by official sources, as I said before.For Example: It is never said anywhere that Terra's Heart is now combined with Xehanort's Heart... Of course, it could have happened, but there's no proof. My thoughts about this would be: If their hearts are combined, how can Xehanort come back in his original form? If the two hearts are one, than it should have been the Person with this one heart to be revived (Terranort) ... But the old Xehanort came back.It's the same with Axel's and Saix' Plan... Even in the Days Ultimania Interview it isn't said what the Plan is.And reading the Ultimania Interviews makes fun too. I translated the Re:Coded Ultimania Interviews into german after reading the english translation

Actually, it is quite obvious that their hearts were combined. Why Master Xehanort reformed instead of Apprentice Xehanort is still unknown, but it has been shown that their hearts had been combined. In one of the secret cut-scenes (it is named "Blank Points", if I remember correctly), they were shown to be conversing within their combined heart. This probably happened while Apprentice Xehanort had his role as Ansem the Wise's apprentice.

The creators of the "Info Block" are not the same as the people who have written parts of the Kingdom Hearts wiki; I assure you. They are very insightful and knowledgeable.

[VanitasTheBest 196]

Actually, it is quite obvious that their hearts were combined. Why Master Xehanort reformed instead of Apprentice Xehanort is still unknown, but it has been shown that their hearts had been combined. In one of the secret cut-scenes (it is named "Blank Points", if I remember correctly), they were shown to be conversing within their combined heart. This probably happened while Apprentice Xehanort had his role as Ansem the Wise's apprentice.

I don't think you can say it's obvious when it literally shows nothing meaningful... It's a conflict of two hearts that are in the same body.If their hearts would have been combined, none of these two would exist anymore. If there's only one Heart, there's only one person. Also Terra said in this conversation that Xehanort WON'T take over his heart, because he has someone else inside his heart. Eraqus.Also, WHEN this conversation happened can't be said for sure. It could also happened before he (Terranort) fought Aqua.I don't say it's something impossible, I just say there are absolutely no sources to prove it. And as long as there are no sources don't say it's true. Say it's a very good speculation or something like that.

[Varnish 319]

I don't think you can say it's obvious when it literally shows nothing meaningful... It's a conflict of two hearts that are in the same body.If their hearts would have been combined, none of these two would exist anymore. If there's only one Heart, there's only one person. Also Terra said in this conversation that Xehanort WON'T take over his heart, because he has someone else inside his heart. Eraqus.Also, WHEN this conversation happened can't be said for sure. It could also happened before he (Terranort) fought Aqua.I don't say it's something impossible, I just say there are absolutely no sources to prove it. And as long as there are no sources don't say it's true. Say it's a very good speculation or something like that.

Actually, even when Terra said that there was someone inside his heart, there was no confirmation that that "someone" was Master Eraqus. Also, I never said that Master Xehanort had taken over Terra's heart completely. He did take over Terra's heart, but only on the outside; on the inside, Terra was still fighting for his part of their combined heart. There have also not been any cases of two hearts being in the same body that I know of.

Another thing-When Terra-Xehanort tries to remove Terra's heart from his own (that heart being the combination of Terra's and Master Xehanort's), he says "Get out of my heart!", which suggests that the hearts of Terra and Master Xehanort had been combined.

[Caity 3,946]

Number 2 was more of a fail-mediocre-success.  He lost his memories for several years forgetting he could even control the keyblade.  

Edited September 29, 2013 by Caity Raindrop

[Caity 3,946]

Actually, even when Terra said that there was someone inside his heart, there was no confirmation that that "someone" was Master Eraqus. Also, I never said that Master Xehanort had taken over Terra's heart completely. He did take over Terra's heart, but only on the outside; on the inside, Terra was still fighting for his part of their combined heart. There have also not been any cases of two hearts being in the same body that I know of.

Another thing-When Terra-Xehanort tries to remove Terra's heart from his own (that heart being the combination of Terra's and Master Xehanort's), he says "Get out of my heart!", which suggests that the hearts of Terra and Master Xehanort had been combined.

 

JS At the end of Blank Points MX says to Terra "Oh? So another heart has stepped into your heart...Eraqus, you sly fox."

Also Nomura hints at it in an interview "Also, in his final moments Eraqus falls towards Terra - an important meaning is hidden in this scene."

The same way Kairi fell into Sora's body at the start of KH1 back at Destiny Islands.  

[Varnish 319]

Number 2 was more of a fail-mediocre-success.  He lost his memories for several years forgetting he could even control the keyblade.  

I have been told several times by a reliable source that whether or not Apprentice Xehanort's amnesia was real is still unknown, though I suppose him slowly regaining his memories in the second half of his year as an apprentice seems to be most likely.

 

JS At the end of Blank Points MX says to Terra "Oh? So another heart has stepped into your heart...Eraqus, you sly fox."

Also Nomura hints at it in an interview "Also, in his final moments Eraqus falls towards Terra - an important meaning is hidden in this scene."

The same way Kairi fell into Sora's body at the start of KH1 back at Destiny Islands.  

Thank you for reminding me.

[Caity 3,946]

I have been told several times by a reliable source that whether or not Apprentice Xehanort's amnesia was real is still unknown, though I suppose him slowly regaining his memories in the second half of his year as an apprentice seems to be most likely.

 

Thank you for reminding me.

 

It is still unknown if his amnesia is real, but I personally think that's just people being distrusting, in DDD we see the scene where Braig asks him Does he remember now, when he's stabbing everyone, I think amnesia would also explain why MX + Terra's Nobody couldn't wield a keyblade, where Sora + Ventus' nobody could wield one (though it's suggested that Xemnas can, he just hasn't done so yet, but I still think amesia would explain him not using it straight off the bat).