Someone Dying In KH3 Will Never Happen

[Skai 3,961]

People dying are sort of just dramatic exits and they most likely will come back later, usually more powerful... 

• In Digimon, the Digimon just come back as eggs when they taken on too much.
• In Dragon Ball Series, they just abuse the Dragon Balls to bring people back.
• In The World Ends With You, they eventually get a second chance in life.
• In Pokemon, Ash cries and saves the pokemon.  Don't ask me how that happens I don't know, why...
• In Harry Potter, Harry dies and comes back cause that was just the horcrux.
• In Lord of the Rings, Gandalf the Gray hogs all the EXP killing the Balrog and coming back as the White.
• In Angel Beats, they get a second chance by embracing their fate.
• In Avatar: the Last Airbender, Aang is struck by Azula's lightning and Katara uses holy water from the North Pole to bring him back.

So where am I going with this?  Why do some people think someone good is going to die in Kingdom Hearts 3?  Here are basic reasons why it wouldn't happen.

• In Kingdom Hearts, Nomura trolls everyone by using weird terminology that takes several interviews to explain.
• Nomura often retcons and changes anything on a whim, relating back to the weird terminology.
• It's just plain cliche to have someone die.  Not even justified.
• Ultimate sacrifice my ass, the Light side has plenty of people on their side for that to never happen.
• What would be the point of it?  Just for extra crying/feels, that's stupid.
• And if for some weird reason that they would die, I think they'd just come back later, no matter how annoying it is.

EDIT: I meant good people, if that wasn't clear, sorry.

Edited August 16, 2013 by Jaune Arc

[Gamerazor247 877]

Dragon Ball does over do it with the revival thing...

[Oishii 3,987]

So what are we going to do to Xehanort if no one's going to die?

[Ghost 1,857]

Aww, I was hoping it'd be like the last Harry Potter where 10 characters die within the same firetrucking minute.

[xoblivionx13 1,133]

Sure someone in KH can die, we just have to flush the evidence.

 

[Skai 3,961]

So what are we going to do to Xehanort if no one's going to die?

Arg I meant good people, thought I included it there.  Thanks for the find though.

Edited August 16, 2013 by Jaune Arc

[Dracozombie 4,554]

Death isn't always a dramatic exit that will just lead to characters coming back.  Sometimes death is a dramatic exit because the author couldn't think of another way to pull out the emotional torque.

 

The problem I have with death is that it's easy.  Easy peasy.  Want to make people sad?  Let people know things are Serious Business or Dramatic?  Kill a character off.  It doesn't require any work on your part because death is, on the whole, depressing.  It may or may not be meaningful, but whenever I get the idea to kill someone off, I ask myself if I can reap a similar significance from something that doesn't utilize something so easy.  The answer is usually yes, so why bother killing someone off just to be sad?

[MyDixieRect 2,061]

Dude I was going to start Angel Beats next week! :(Anyway I'm not sure it's fair to call something like Death a cliché, it's too grandiose and can be done for too many different reasons and different ways. Whether or not someone will die in KH3 I don't know but somewhere down the line I expect someone I'm the group in some way to be put out of commission, be it death, coma, trapped eternally or whatever.

[Ghost 1,857]

For me it's just usually like, shit happens, life isn't always fair so characters should just die sometimes if it's not within that character's ability to come out of it alive.

 

The only thing I DON'T like is when characters godmod and come out of every single thing. This is why I love the first Fullmetal Alchemist series, because Edward firetruckING dies. Like he's the main character. HE DIED because he lost. Not everybody wins, the good guys don't always win, unfortunately.

 

If a character is put up against another character that is way out of their league, and they don't have some super special awesome main character to save them, then looks like they're dead.

 

I personally hate when characters come back again and again and again. Like once in a while per series it's okay, but eventually I'm just like "dude firetrucking STAY DEAD" even if its a character I really love.

[Skai 3,961]

For me it's just usually like, shit happens, life isn't always fair so characters should just die sometimes if it's not within that character's ability to come out of it alive.

 

The only thing I DON'T like is when characters godmod and come out of every single thing. This is why I love the first Fullmetal Alchemist series, because Edward firetruckING dies. Like he's the main character. HE DIED because he lost. Not everybody wins, the good guys don't always win, unfortunately.

 

If a character is put up against another character that is way out of their league, and they don't have some super special awesome main character to save them, then looks like they're dead.

 

I personally hate when characters come back again and again and again. Like once in a while per series it's okay, but eventually I'm just like "dude firetrucking STAY DEAD" even if its a character I really love.

But it's Disney, which pretty much means it has to be some sort of magical fairy tale ending.

Edited August 16, 2013 by Jaune Arc

[TheOriginalBob 110]

Disney characters die. Even the good ones like Mufasa and Bambi's mom. Although because of terminology in the Kingdom Hearts series, you can easily argue no one 'dies' per say. But I'd still argue Master Eraqus died in BBS. Even using terms like 'deep sixing' (which i love btw) and 'struck down' doesn't mean good characters are immune in the KH universe. I'd even go as far as to say Axel was a good guy and you watch him burst into flames! But hey, time will tell.

[xxClouDxxmoon 901]

I can imagine Riku having to sacrifice himself or something.

[Ghost 1,857]

Disney characters die. Even the good ones like Mufasa and Bambi's mom. Although because of terminology in the Kingdom Hearts series, you can easily argue no one 'dies' per say. But I'd still argue Master Eraqus died in BBS. Even using terms like 'deep sixing' (which i love btw) and 'struck down' doesn't mean good characters are immune in the KH universe. I'd even go as far as to say Axel was a good guy and you watch him burst into flames! But hey, time will tell.

Yeah but that was old Disney. New Disney has to listen to the cries of mothers around the world and make every character happy-go-lucky.

[Shana09 5,769]

Nomura isn't George R.R. Martin, he doesn't kill of characters and leaves them dead. 

[VENROXAS 152]

I say he will make someone whom we do care for die someway. To add suspense. Thats my opinion, because he did say kh3 would end the xehanort saga not the whole kh series.... 

[Geralt 4,874]

This makes sense. 

[Tigerruss 576]

For me it's just usually like, shit happens, life isn't always fair so characters should just die sometimes if it's not within that character's ability to come out of it alive.The only thing I DON'T like is when characters godmod and come out of every single thing. This is why I love the first Fullmetal Alchemist series, because Edward firetruckING dies. Like he's the main character. HE DIED because he lost. Not everybody wins, the good guys don't always win, unfortunately.If a character is put up against another character that is way out of their league, and they don't have some super special awesome main character to save them, then looks like they're dead.I personally hate when characters come back again and again and again. Like once in a while per series it's okay, but eventually I'm just like "dude firetrucking STAY DEAD" even if its a character I really love.

Click this spoiler at your own risk... (it is my opinion on that ending)

Yes he dies, only to have Alphonse sacrifice himself to revive him, only to sacrifice himself to bring Alphonse back! Good example of permanence of death! And also when he sacrifices himself he goes to basically our world a bit before WW II. And it is basically proven that that wasn't truly death in the follow up movie to that series! Yet another reason why I think the first one's end game is idiotic. Not only is the villain lame (I mean she seeks eternal life while not being able to do almost anything by herself), not only does the dad act self righteous (where if he actually cared, he could have helped stop it from getting that far), even though he was an accomplice for who knows how long, because "love" made him want to stop, but that stupid other world thing that makes the concept of death seem meaningless. At least the dad TRULY dies in Brotherhood (well he does also die in the movie sequel to the first FMA). Though that being said other places in the series are good examples of death permanence. Their mother, Nina, and Maes Hughes. (and those events happened in both, also the humanculi in the first one were kind of the person but kind of not the person)

 

In my opinion a better example of death permanence actually being used well would be from Gurren Lagann. (Unless if you are talking about the themes of not being able to raise the dead in FMA)

 

Kamina dies, and he never gets revived. And oddly enough his death actually served a purpose. It accelerated Simon's character development. Before then he kept on clinging to Kamina, saying Kamina this, Kamina that. Kamina is the only reason why I have any fighting spirit, blah blah blah. But when the crutch (Kamina) is removed, he is forced to walk with his own two legs. (Even so, Kamina did a lot before he die, and at least to me his death didn't seem like it was just thrown in there to have a death scene) Yes, they had some grieving episodes, though look at how they used it. They used it to force a character to reach higher than before, to become stronger than before, and all while the reasons for it being somewhat logical. (even though one could argue the series isn't that logical)

 

Honestly, I don't think Kingdom Hearts needs a protagonist to die. There is no themes of mortality in the series, there is no protagonist needing to step up into a higher role, there just isn't any reason. The only reason I could see for someone to die would be...

If Sora is refusing to fight again, like he did with the Organization in KH II, and someone dies because of it leading Sora down a different path. (while having him blame himself) Honestly, I think that would be a stupid thing to happen, and the death would just to be to experiment with the character of Sora...not to actually help his character and you would have to have the character already established. (or else it would be like why should we care, and I honestly don't want any of the characters we have to die to serve that purpose.)

 

[Oishii 3,987]

Death isn't always a dramatic exit that will just lead to characters coming back.  Sometimes death is a dramatic exit because the author couldn't think of another way to pull out the emotional torque. The problem I have with death is that it's easy.  Easy peasy.  Want to make people sad?  Let people know things are Serious Business or Dramatic?  Kill a character off.  It doesn't require any work on your part because death is, on the whole, depressing.  It may or may not be meaningful, but whenever I get the idea to kill someone off, I ask myself if I can reap a similar significance from something that doesn't utilize something so easy.  The answer is usually yes, so why bother killing someone off just to be sad?

Because killing characters feels good

[Dave 5,715]

Dying are sort of just dramatic exits and they most likely will come back later, usually more powerful... 

•  
• In Lord of the Rings, Gandalf the Gray hogs all the EXP killing the Balrog and coming back as the White.
•  

 

 

Boromir's still pretty dead.

 

 

That'ls literally all I have to contribute to this conversation.

[Raziel 248]

For me it's just usually like, shit happens, life isn't always fair so characters should just die sometimes if it's not within that character's ability to come out of it alive.The only thing I DON'T like is when characters godmod and come out of every single thing. This is why I love the first Fullmetal Alchemist series, because Edward firetruckING dies. Like he's the main character. HE DIED because he lost. Not everybody wins, the good guys don't always win, unfortunately.If a character is put up against another character that is way out of their league, and they don't have some super special awesome main character to save them, then looks like they're dead.I personally hate when characters come back again and again and again. Like once in a while per series it's okay, but eventually I'm just like "dude firetrucking STAY DEAD" even if its a character I really love.

...But he came back to life too in the end...

[Raziel 248]

 

• What would be the point of it?  Just for extra crying/feels, that's stupid.

The point of it would be that it's COMPLETELY realistic for at least one light to die because they're almost outnumbered by DOUBLE the amount of people. That means every fight besides one would be 2 against 1. (Although I have no idea how exactly he's going to implement this fight) Realistically, it's MUCH more likely that someone will die, so it wouldn't be "just for extra feels". I mean, that would be part of it obviously, but it's also more realistic in terms of outcome. 7 people taking out thirteen without a single death? That's WAY more cliche that a realistic death.....

[Ghost 1,857]

...But he came back to life too in the end...

Yeah but in a different firetrucking dimension lol

[Anonn0000 3,525]

If Riku dies, the creators get hell from me.

 

~Dawnie

[Skai 3,961]

The point of it would be that it's COMPLETELY realistic for at least one light to die because they're almost outnumbered by DOUBLE the amount of people. That means every fight besides one would be 2 against 1. (Although I have no idea how exactly he's going to implement this fight) Realistically, it's MUCH more likely that someone will die, so it wouldn't be "just for extra feels". I mean, that would be part of it obviously, but it's also more realistic in terms of outcome. 7 people taking out thirteen without a single death? That's WAY more cliche that a realistic death.....

You do realize it doesn't just have to be the 7 Guardians.  The side of Light has the Radiant Garden residents (WHICH IS A LOT OF PEOPLE), Yen Sid for crying out loud, Donald and Goofy, the power of 7 princesses, 7 Guardians, and the countless Disney allies.  Don't say they wouldn't leave their worlds because look at Stitch AND Beast.  It isn't realistic at all.  Plus, it's Disney.  Argue with them over the deaths then.  It's more like 13 vs. the Universe of Kingdom Hearts.

Edited August 16, 2013 by Jaune Arc

[KH4Real 749]

The most candidates for dying is Aqua and Riku. I bet on Aqua.