Don't you think that the heros should lose every once in a while?

[The Protagonist 332]

I want a game where you play as the hero but despite all your efforts,the hero loses in the end and evil takes them over and then they become bend on destruction and then its up to someone that was close to them to stop them but in the sequal you still play as the hero who is now a villian from the first game.Or something similar to that.

Edited July 19, 2013 by Keyblade Master101

[Reyn 1,755]

Yeah sometimes. THey can't win EVERYTIME, it gets too boring if they never lose or have casualties.

[OathOblivio 24]

Well, there are games where the bad guys win such as: 

 

Infamous (series)

 

GTA (series)

 

Saints Row (series)

 

Dungeon Keeper

 

Crackdown

 

Unreal 2

 

Syndicate

 

Spore

 

The Darkness

 

Enclave

 

Defcon

 

Streets of Rage

 

Bully

 

Metal Gear Solid (series) (The Evil plot gets better by the minute as you complete more of the game.)

 

And many more...

[The Protagonist 332]

Well, there are games where the bad guys win such as: 

 

Infamous (series)

 

GTA (series)

 

Saints Row (series)

 

Dungeon Keeper

 

Crackdown

 

Unreal 2

 

Syndicate

 

Spore

 

The Darkness

 

Enclave

 

Defcon

 

Streets of Rage

 

Bully

 

Metal Gear Solid (series) (The Evil plot gets better by the minute as you complete more of the game.)

 

And many more...

Do they win the entire game eventually or do the heroes come back?

Infamous doesn't count since you have a choice.

[OathOblivio 24]

It actually varies between each game... so... yeah...

[Lalalablah 1,538]

Well, there are games where the bad guys win such as: Infamous (series)GTA (series)Saints Row (series)Dungeon KeeperCrackdownUnreal 2SyndicateSporeThe DarknessEnclaveDefconStreets of RageBullyMetal Gear Solid (series) (The Evil plot gets better by the minute as you complete more of the game.)And many more...

I always considered the main guy in GTA a good guy for some reason Edited July 20, 2013 by Lalalablah

[OathOblivio 24]

Yeah because the you understand why the guy does what he does. But if society thinks he's bad, then he's bad.

[Dave 5,715]

Here's the thing.

 

The protagonist of a story is someone actively trying to accomplish something. It is that act of accomplishment that makes them heroes over the average layman.

 

If your villain succeeds, then in a way, they are the protagonist.

 

Thus making them the hero.

 

So the hero would still win.

 

 

Also, no. I'm sick of the postmodern reaction against anyone who actually tries to be be a hero. The only value within having the villain win is contrariness for the sake of contrariness, which is an incredibly superficial and unsatisfying motivation.

 

Besides, if you want an edgy ending, there are plenty of ways to do it with the hero. I recommend watching Unforgiven and The Godfather. Both have the hero win, but you don't feel good about it.

[RoxSox 3,593]

Yes. Yes I do. I can't get invested in a story if there isn't actual risk involved. And there isn't any risk if the good guys win by default. Birth By Sleep, where the heroes fail to accomplish anything on all accounts, is one of my favorite Kingdom Hearts games. The Empire Strikes Back is the best Star Wars movie by far... The Mass Effect series of games where characters can actually die if you make the wrong decisions are some of my favorite games. Crisis Core, where Zack Fair dies a pretty a brutal death is one of my favorite Final Fantasies, alongside FFX where the entire story of the game is someone sacrificing themselves for someone else. My favorite Superheroes are the ones who can actually die. Etcetera, etcetera, you get the point.

[Hardrada 117]

Here's the thing.The protagonist of a story is someone actively trying to accomplish something. It is that act of accomplishment that makes them heroes over the average layman.If your villain succeeds, then in a way, they are the protagonist.Thus making them the hero.So the hero would still win.Also, no. I'm sick of the postmodern reaction against anyone who actually tries to be be a hero. The only value within having the villain win is contrariness for the sake of contrariness, which is an incredibly superficial and unsatisfying motivation.Besides, if you want an edgy ending, there are plenty of ways to do it with the hero. I recommend watching Unforgiven and The Godfather. Both have the hero win, but you don't feel good about it.

A villain winning wouldn't make them become the protagonist any more than a hero losing would make them the antagonist.

[SoraBlade 832]

Kefka.

[OathOblivio 24]

Here's the thing.

 

The protagonist of a story is someone actively trying to accomplish something. It is that act of accomplishment that makes them heroes over the average layman.

 

If your villain succeeds, then in a way, they are the protagonist.

 

Thus making them the hero.

 

So the hero would still win.

 

 

Also, no. I'm sick of the postmodern reaction against anyone who actually tries to be be a hero. The only value within having the villain win is contrariness for the sake of contrariness, which is an incredibly superficial and unsatisfying motivation.

 

Besides, if you want an edgy ending, there are plenty of ways to do it with the hero. I recommend watching Unforgiven and The Godfather. Both have the hero win, but you don't feel good about it.

 

The protagonist isn't always the hero, ya know...