KHBbS Master Xehanort + Ansem ( Heartless )

[Auxon 1]

I put this in a spoiler tag because I was not sure if it was or was not a spoiler. Well for safety it doesn't hurt.

 

You've been warned.

 

 

 

I found this image on gamespot.com and this got me thinking.

 

If MX fused with Terra. And became Terranort.

Then Terranort "In the pursuit of knowledge, Xehanort, at the time calling himself "Ansem", willingly gave his heart to darkness, creating both his Heartless and his Nobody, Xemnas." (KH Wiki)

 

What I don't get is. Shouldn't of Terranort have died, in order for him to create his Heartless and Nobody?

 

If not, then what about Riku. Shouldn't he have created a Heartless and Nobody. Since he gave into the darkness in Kingdom Hearts.

 

Also, if Ansem the Heartless was created. And took the name Ansem shouldn't he have dressed as Ansem the Wise. Or Xehanort?

 

 

 

[StarCharm 54]

Terranort did die, he lost his heart, so technically he did.

Yes, Riku fell to darkness but didn't lose his heart, therefore no heartless or nobody was created.

And about dressing like Ansem the Wise or Xehanort... -shruggs- no idea. But his outfit is a bit alike to MX's.

[Keyblader 325]

Terranort did die, he lost his heart, so technically he did.

Yes, Riku fell to darkness but didn't lose his heart, therefore no heartless or nobody was created.

And about dressing like Ansem the Wise or Xehanort... -shruggs- no idea. But his outfit is a bit alike to MX's.

 

the outfit of ansem the heartless and mx's out fit is directly related to mx merging with terra,

when terranort lost his heart, he created said heartless and nobody, xemnas. the heartless has the hair style of terranort, the physical features of terra, except darker skin, and the clothing of mx, but slightly different

[Reversal 53]

I put this in a spoiler tag because I was not sure if it was or was not a spoiler. Well for safety it doesn't hurt.

 

You've been warned.

 

 

 

I found this image on gamespot.com and this got me thinking.

 

If MX fused with Terra. And became Terranort.

Then Terranort "In the pursuit of knowledge, Xehanort, at the time calling himself "Ansem", willingly gave his heart to darkness, creating both his Heartless and his Nobody, Xemnas." (KH Wiki)

 

What I don't get is. Shouldn't of Terranort have died, in order for him to create his Heartless and Nobody?

 

If not, then what about Riku. Shouldn't he have created a Heartless and Nobody. Since he gave into the darkness in Kingdom Hearts.

 

Also, if Ansem the Heartless was created. And took the name Ansem shouldn't he have dressed as Ansem the Wise. Or Xehanort?

 

 

 

 

There is no concept of death in the KH universe regarding the forces of light and darkness. Yes, a person can die, say via usual circumstances: old age, injuries, etc. But when light or darkness is involved, it doesn't exactly mean death.

 

Yes, Xehanort the Apprentice gave into the darkness, thus bringing into existence Ansem Seeker of Darkness and Xemnas. That does not mean he died, but rather, that he has been separated into two pieces: the Heartless and the Nobody.

 

Riku never lost his heart to the darkness. Yes, he gave into the darkness, but it always remained in the range of control. Having been exposed to darkness for an extended period of time, he eventually learned to control it. When Ansem SoD took over his body, his heart wasn't ejected; instead it was simply pushed out of reach, thus, neither Heartless nor Nobody were born.

 

Yes, he took Ansem the Wise's name. However, AtW was not involved with Xehanort's Heartless in any way. Xehanort the Apprentice is a combination of

 

 

Terra's heart, body, and soul, Master Xehanort's heart, and Master Eraqus' heart.

 

 

I see no Ansem the Wise in that equation. Also, it's been revealed in the BBS ultimania that Ansem SoD took actions similar to Master Xehanort, showing the connection between the two. The similar clothes are used to represent their connection, though it was pretty obvious from the beginning that the two are somehow connected.

[JTD95 1,107]

What I don't get is. Shouldn't of Terranort have died' date=' in order for him to create his Heartless and Nobody?[/quote']

 

He did die in one way. When Ansem SoD and Xemnas was created Terranort/Xehanort vanished

 

 

If not' date=' then what about Riku. Shouldn't he have created a Heartless and Nobody. Since he gave into the darkness in Kingdom Hearts.[/quote']

 

Riku never lost his and didn't create a Heartless. And his body didn't turn into a Nobody because Ansem SoD used it

 

 

Also' date=' if Ansem the Heartless was created. And took the name Ansem shouldn't he have dressed as Ansem the Wise. Or Xehanort?[/quote']

 

Originally, Ansem SoD was just a brown cloak, that was his Heartless from. But then he kicked Rikus heart out his body and then took over Rikus body and formed it into something that looked more like Xehanort the apprentice. The reason for why he chose to wear cloths very similar to MX cloths is because Ansem SoD is MX heart.

[Sarrin 100]

its because they are one in the same

[got it memorized 3]

 

What I don't get is. Shouldn't of Terranort have died, in order for him to create his Heartless and Nobody?

He did die in one way. When Ansem SoD and Xemnas was created Terranort/Xehanort vanished

 

keep in mind that Nomura said that when a person's heartless and nobody are defeated in that order, their somebody is brought back to life, so Xehanort as ATW's apprentice is alive and out there somewhere right now.

[Rue 3]

 

 

What I don't get is. Shouldn't of Terranort have died, in order for him to create his Heartless and Nobody?

He did die in one way. When Ansem SoD and Xemnas was created Terranort/Xehanort vanished

 

keep in mind that Nomura said that when a person's heartless and nobody are defeated in that order, their somebody is brought back to life, so Xehanort as ATW's apprentice is alive and out there somewhere right now.

 

What I don't get is what about Eraqus, and MX? and Terra?

 

If *spoiler* (all of them merged) together and then spilt to become "Awsem" and "Xemnas" then would that make all three alive? or are they now back as one? and if the "apprentace" is "alive" wouldn't fighting "him" with a keyblade be uselass and create a paradox cyle?

[got it memorized 3]

 

 

 

What I don't get is. Shouldn't of Terranort have died, in order for him to create his Heartless and Nobody?

He did die in one way. When Ansem SoD and Xemnas was created Terranort/Xehanort vanished

 

keep in mind that Nomura said that when a person's heartless and nobody are defeated in that order, their somebody is brought back to life, so Xehanort as ATW's apprentice is alive and out there somewhere right now.

 

What I don't get is what about Eraqus, and MX? and Terra?

 

If *spoiler* (all of them merged) together and then spilt to become "Awsem" and "Xemnas" then would that make all three alive? or are they now back as one? and if the "apprentace" is "alive" wouldn't fighting "him" with a keyblade be uselass and create a paradox cyle?

 

they should still be all as one person, if i'm not mistaken. defeating the heartless and nobody, if i'm understanding correctly, should bring back the being that split into that heartless and that nobody. which in this case would be the combination of Terra, MX, and Master Eraqus. now how to split them up so that MX, Master Eraqus, and Terra all have their own bodies back, i don't know. that's possibly something for a future game, or that's been told about and i just have seen anything about it yet.

[heartless101 83]

To answer your first question

Terranort is Xehanort so Terranort did create a heartless and a nobody

to answer your 2nd question

Riku was getting possessed by a heartless but that doesn't mean that he gets a heartless and a nobody

and finally to answer your last question

he didn't need to because he banished Ansem the Wise to the Realm of Nothingness

[InuYohko 0]

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[Reversal 53]

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I think everyone's forgetting a few things. Terra's spirit attatched to his armor to make Lingering Sentiment.

 

The Lingering Sentiment is very literally Terra's lingering sentiments. Sentiments' date=' as stated in thefreedictionary.com, are " thoughts, views, or attitudes, especially one based mainly on emotion instead of reason."

 

And while fighting Aqua, Terra-Xehanort cast off a heartless.

 

No he didn't. Are you referring to the Guardian? If anything, that appears to be a manifestation of the darkness that dwells within Terranort.

 

So the heartless(Ansem) and the nobody(Xemnas) was a combination of the two master's hearts and souls, and Terra's body.

 

Ansem = Terra's heart, Eraqus' heart, and Xehanort's heart

Xemnas = Terra's body and soul + Terra's memories + Master Xehanort's memories

 

Somewhere out there is probably Master Erqus's Heartless..

 

Did Master Eraqus lose his heart to the darkness? No. Therefore, no Heartless was created. Instead, his heart took shelter within Terra, and merged with his heart. As for his body and soul, they're in a similar state as with Master Xehanort's, and at this moment, it's unknown what happened to them, whether they faded away or created a new entity.

 

And notice how Terra's heart(the one Terra-Xehanort cast off after fighting Aqua) latches to the heartless of "Ansem"(Terra-Xehanort) in Kingdom Hearts.

 

Meaning it was Terra's Master Xehanort's and Master Eraqus's hearts that Sora defeated.

 

And later on in Kingdom Hearts Final Mix+ Sora fought Lingering Sentiment(Terra's soul trapped in his armor.)

 

See above responses.

 

Ironic how the three of them were to be their apprentices: Sora/Ven; Kairi/Aqua; Riku/Terra.

 

Aqua was considering Sora to be her apprentice. Kairi activating the Rite of Succession was purely accidental. Ven's not a Master, so he couldn't choose a successor even if he wanted to.

 

He has Ven's heart and soul within him.

 

Just the heart actually.

 

But apparently in 265/2 Days Roxas started showing signs of darkness that Sora completely lacked..

 

No he didn't. If anything, he showed signs of having a heart, which we already know to be Ven's. And it's 358/2 Days.

 

A hint maybe that vanitus might be re-growing inside of Sora's heart.

 

You said it yourself that Ven no longer had darkness in his heart. We all saw him destroy Vanitas, the dark half of his heart. Because he did so, his heart became incomplete, and Ven returned to the comatose state we first saw him in.

 

And Roxas may very well have had a heart: A portion of Ven's maybe.

 

More like the entire thing. Ven's already incomplete heart can't become even more incomplete.

 

Being linked to Sora, Roxas takes on Ven's appearance..

 

Having Ven's heart (hearts holds a person's identity, what makes you "you") made Roxas take on Ven's appearance.

 

Completely, in one instance through Xion, who was pulling in both Sora and Ven's heart's and minds..

 

Depending on who's looking at her, Xion will take on the appearance of their strongest memories of a person connected to Sora. In Xigbar's case, it's Ven.

 

I wonder what ever happened to the other experiment they never found? Were they referring to Replica Riku? Maybe..

 

The other replica unfit for number status? Vexen said he took it to Castle Oblivion for further testing, so that would make it Repliku.