Guns in America

[WhiteCrow 55]

It's just that getting guns is too easy in America. You just walk in, say that you want to defend yourself, and they give you an assault rifle. Where I live, you have to get permission from the police and pass a 'sanity' test.

I have fired a shotgun, I have fired a rifle, and I have fired a handgun and I know exactly what kind of damage they can do. They're not toys and shouldn't be given to children.

I think banning guns wont stop violence, sure it would reduce it, but what about hunting? And countries with almost none gun violence? 

[JJForever 75]

Banning guns would do nothing to lessen any amount of violence. People would just go about it another way. Having access to a gun is more or less just a convenience for murderers and such.

 

Like in Japan... Ever hear of the Osaka school massacre? That dude didn't have a gun, he had a knife. Still managed to kill eight innocent children and wound fifteen others. So what's next, are they going to ban knives too?

 

Personally, I think banning guns to the general public at this point would be next to useless. It's like drugs. Most of them aren't legal, they aren't sold in stores. Yet, illegal drugs are still a huge problem to modern day society.

 

I don't believe any good comes from guns. I wish they never existed, but since that's not possible, I don't see a reasonable solution for it. If America banned guns, the protests alone would be ridiculous. Every redneck and their gun wielding kids would be out on the streets.

Edited June 24, 2013 by JJForever

[Neo Neopolitan 88]

now just go and look back to the picture i posted and think about it

[Saber Lily 1,543]

Lets ignore how much crime went up in the UK after banning guns. Then they decided to ban long kitchen knives.

 

I got a chart floating around. The funny thing is that gun deaths are the minimal cause of death. Malpractice at the hosptial kills more people! Hell, CARS KILL MORE PEOPLE.

 

You're blaming guns for crime when guns cause the least amount of deaths in the United States. Bravo.

 

I find it digusting how guns are the scapegoat all the time. Dont direct me to your firetrucking picture.

 

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[marinaAxel56 24]

The  problem with banning guns is that the real criminals can still easily obtain illegally. But trying to ban guns for the average citizen makes the innocent unarmed while criminals run amok easily. Fact : the most shootings happen in restricted ' gun free' zones.That's why Adam Lanza picked an elementary school to kill in large numbers - vulnerable victims with no way to stop him or fend him off with protection . Same thing with that shooting in Colorado at the movie theater. There have been shootings on campus' and malls that were actually stopped by people with legal guns when they confronted the shooter. We cannot just unarm citizens bc of the few bad people who can still find ways easily anyways to obtain guns.When people want to kill they will find a way

 

 

I think his point completely went over your head. He was merely pointing out that its not the method of killing/instrument used that's the problem - it's the criminals that are and they always find ways to achieve their goal .You can blow up a building and kill way more people faster than a gun could. Crazy people be crazy

nonetheless, here in england we dont have shootings and also, guns are illegal. i sense a correlation. 

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

now just go and look back to the picture i posted and think about it

 

Too bad that's pretty misleading considering the gun deaths to actual population ratio isn't as comparable .Just sayin'

 

nonetheless, here in england we dont have shootings and also, guns are illegal. i sense a correlation. 

 

Lets ignore how much crime went up in the UK after banning guns. Then they decided to ban long kitchen knives.I got a chart floating around. The funny thing is that gun deaths are the minimal cause of death. Malpractice at the hosptial kills more people! Hell, CARS KILL MORE PEOPLE.You're blaming guns for crime when guns cause the least amount of deaths in the United States. Bravo.I find it digusting how guns are the scapegoat all the time. Dont direct me to your firetrucking picture..

 

 

Also , don't get me wrong , i'm actually not pro gun or anti- gun . I find valid reasoning on both sides of the argument .I just don't think banning is the answer. It would help to have guns more regulated and imposing stricter laws on who/how you can get them. Mental health issues have correlated with many mass shootings and we need to look at that issue and address the problem .

Edited June 24, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[Saber Lily 1,543]

OK. I've calmed down after a long day. My last post was made after I found out my chocolate milk had gone bad. Now I am going to direct your attention to the following wall of text.

 

In reference to the picture, I will refute Israel's 8 gun deaths on a very real fact: Everywhere you turn, there is a firetrucking M4 Carbine. Guns are not banned, but people are not stupid enough to try and fire a handgun off when you got the Israeli army coming around within .2 nanoseconds. Plus, a certain age group in Israel is REQUIRED to have training and recieve a gun. Why are you not saying Israel is disgusting for such a thing?

 

Source: My parents have visited Israel a few times and have been all over Jerusalem.

 

Now, let's see.

 

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3644/britain_wants_its_guns_back

 

I'll admit it can be shaky with the comments, but many of the commenters have both refuted some things and strengthen others., but the fact is, I'm referring to the rise in the UK's crime rate when guns were banned. Leaving the ordinary citizen without a weapon just let those who DON'T GIVE A DONKEY'S ASS about the laws get a gun. Call Jon Bon Jovi disgusting, think it's bad parenting for a dad to teach his daughter to shoot a gun, go ahead. The fact of the matter, is that guns are not the root of all the firetrucking evil. No, guns are actually the LOW END OF THE FRIGGIN SPECTRUM. Crime rises whenever guns are banned. Now? They want them BACK!

 

 

This graph is an example of what I mean. As guns were banned, crimes WITH GUNS went up. Colombine, the theater in Aurora, Virgina Tech, and Sandy Hook. if you notice, all those places had no one whatsoever with a weapon. No school cop, no teacher with a gun. At aurora, just movie goers. And look at how the cops helped. They got there to tally the bodies and tell people who died. I could pull the trigger of a Glock 9mm faster then I can dial 911 and beg for help.

 

Here, another chart.

 

http://www.anesi.com/Deaths2011.jpg

 

Oh, and let's look at this article from the New York Times:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us/strict-chicago-gun-laws-cant-stem-fatal-shots.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

Chicago banned, then got AS LEGALLY CLOSE to a ban as HUMANELY POSSIBLE. And yet, look at this:

 

http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/illinois/chicago.html#.UcjW_pwpSM8

 

I'm sorry, but here is those bans you have been saying the US should have. Outright, as legally possible. And now Chicago can't even keep enough trauma centers open to ensure Gunshot Victims get proper care. They die en route because of hose expensive they are, and in Chicago? Hell.

 

Let's get of the US, my home, and talk about Germany.

 

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/germany

 

This place speaks for itself. I don't even need to Wall Of Text it. Just read it.

 

Off to Japan!

 

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/japan

 

Damn this site is handy. No TL;DR, find the time to read the handy site.

 

I'm saving your brain by giving you links, alright? Now I'll go check the US.

 

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

 

Suicide: 38,285.

Suicide by Gun: 19,799

 

The other 18,519? Let's gripe because little over half is gun suicides. And what happened when, in Africa, people got their guns taken away? They got machetes, and they went and snuck up on the soldiers murdering them all, and hacked them to death.

 

Everyone complains GUNS are such a major problem. But when guns are gone, the criminals either say "whatevs" and get one, or just get a knife, or hatchet, or machete, or a car. A baseball bat, a sharp icicle.

 

When car deaths exceeded gun deaths, why were we not banning cars? No, we imposed more classes, tighter restrictions, and even more education. Why can you not apply the same principles to firearms? Why must guns be BANNED immediately, while CARS JUST GET MORE CLASSES AND PROGRAMS?

 

http://theday.com/article/20130115/OP02/301159984/-1/today

 

The last line makes an excellent point.

 

If we have more responsible people with guns, if better laws and better programs about gun safety, gun use, and gun etiquette are made, what stops the gun deaths from going down? Strengthen the suicide prevention programs, make people more aware of the people. Store guns more responsibly.

 

But no, everyone cries guns are evil. They are the route of all problems.

 

http://www.policymic.com/articles/24124/7-gun-control-facts-that-are-actually-myths

 

Link happy me. Read this for a breakdown of the most known facts.

 

 

So, to close this post off, I am going to point out what famous people have said, in regards to gun control.

 

We don't let them have ideas. Why should we let them have guns?

-Joseph Stalin

 

“Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look
upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.”

-Mahatma Gandhi, in Gandhi, An Autobiography, p. 446

 

 

“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people
fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the
people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort,
to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”

- Thomas Jefferson
(1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of
Independence, 3rd US President

 

Thank you for reading, and have a pleasant day.

Edited June 25, 2013 by Oathkeeper136

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

OK. I've calmed down after a long day. My last post was made after I found out my chocolate milk had gone bad. Now I am going to direct your attention to the following wall of text.I

 

In reference to the picture, I will refute Israel's 8 gun deaths on a very real fact: Everywhere you turn, there is a firetrucking M4 Carbine. Guns are not banned, but people are not stupid enough to try and fire a handgun off when you got the Israeli army coming around within .2 nanoseconds. Plus, a certain age group in Israel is REQUIRED to have training and recieve a gun. Why are you not saying Israel is disgusting for such a thing?

 

Source: My parents have visited Israel a few times and have been all over Jerusalem.

 

Now, let's see.

 

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3644/britain_wants_its_guns_back

 

I'll admit it can be shaky with the comments, but many of the commenters have both refuted some things and strengthen others., but the fact is, I'm referring to the rise in the UK's crime rate when guns were banned. Leaving the ordinary citizen without a weapon just let those who DON'T GIVE A DONKEY'S ASS about the laws get a gun. Call Jon Bon Jovi disgusting, think it's bad parenting for a dad to teach his daughter to shoot a gun, go ahead. The fact of the matter, is that guns are not the root of all the firetrucking evil. No, guns are actually the LOW END OF THE FRIGGIN SPECTRUM. Crime rises whenever guns are banned. Now? They want them BACK!

 

 

This graph is an example of what I mean. As guns were banned, crimes WITH GUNS went up. Colombine, the theater in Aurora, Virgina Tech, and Sandy Hook. if you notice, all those places had no one whatsoever with a weapon. No school cop, no teacher with a gun. At aurora, just movie goers. And look at how the cops helped. They got there to tally the bodies and tell people who died. I could pull the trigger of a Glock 9mm faster then I can dial 911 and beg for help.

 

Here, another chart.

 

http://www.anesi.com/Deaths2011.jpg

 

Oh, and let's look at this article from the New York Times:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us/strict-chicago-gun-laws-cant-stem-fatal-shots.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

Chicago banned, then got AS LEGALLY CLOSE to a ban as HUMANELY POSSIBLE. And yet, look at this:

 

 

http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/illinois/chicago.html#.UcjW_pwpSM8

 

I'm sorry, but here is those bans you have been saying the US should have. Outright, as legally possible. And now Chicago can't even keep enough trauma centers open to ensure Gunshot Victims get proper care. They die en route because of hose expensive they are, and in Chicago? Hell.

 

Let's get of the US, my home, and talk about Germany.

 

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/germany

 

This place speaks for itself. I don't even need to Wall Of Text it. Just read it.

 

Off to Japan!

 

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/japan

 

Damn this site is handy. No TL;DR, find the time to read the handy site.

 

I'm saving your brain by giving you links, alright? Now I'll go check the US.

 

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

 

Suicide: 38,285.

Suicide by Gun: 19,799

 

The other 18,519? Let's gripe because little over half is gun suicides. And what happened when, in Africa, people got their guns taken away? They got machetes, and they went and snuck up on the soldiers murdering them all, and hacked them to death.

 

Everyone complains GUNS are such a major problem. But when guns are gone, the criminals either say "whatevs" and get one, or just get a knife, or hatchet, or machete, or a car. A baseball bat, a sharp icicle.

 

When car deaths exceeded gun deaths, why were we not banning cars? No, we imposed more classes, tighter restrictions, and even more education. Why can you not apply the same principles to firearms? Why must guns be BANNED immediately, while CARS JUST GET MORE CLASSES AND PROGRAMS?

 

http://theday.com/article/20130115/OP02/301159984/-1/today

 

The last line makes an excellent point.

 

If we have more responsible people with guns, if better laws and better programs about gun safety, gun use, and gun etiquette are made, what stops the gun deaths from going down? Strengthen the suicide prevention programs, make people more aware of the people. Store guns more responsibly.

 

But no, everyone cries guns are evil. They are the route of all problems.

 

http://www.policymic.com/articles/24124/7-gun-control-facts-that-are-actually-myths

 

Link happy me. Read this for a breakdown of the most known facts.

 

 

So, to close this post off, I am going to point out what famous people have said, in regards to gun control.

 

We don't let them have ideas. Why should we let them have guns?

-Joseph Stalin

 

“Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look

upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.”

-Mahatma Gandhi, in Gandhi, An Autobiography, p. 446

 

 

“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people

fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the

people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort,

to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”

- Thomas Jefferson

(1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of

Independence, 3rd US President

 

Thank you for reading, and have a pleasant day.

Best post on this thread

[Henne 150]

I know if someone broke into my house I'd rather shoot them in the leg from a distance that have to get up close and stab them.  Alternatively I could totally get a bow and arrow and snipe them from a tree if they broke into my house.  

 

Could you really just shoot someone?

I would go crazy, knowing that I firetrucking killed someone, no matter what s/he did.

[Caity 3,946]

Could you really just shoot someone?

I would go crazy, knowing that I firetrucking killed someone, no matter what s/he did.

 

That's why I aim for the leg.  The safest option is the shoulder, however with my aim I'd aim for the shoulder and hit their face.  If someone broke into my house it'd be a case of fight or flight and if they run away because they're afraid I'd shoot them, fine, but if they don't I'm not going to run away and hide in my room waiting for them not knowing what they're going to do, take or destroy in their path.  So I'd shoot them with the intent of stopping them, not killing them.  

[Henne 150]

 So I'd shoot them with the intent of stopping them, not killing them.  

 

Good to know, but I still think that's too easy to make a mistake. Of course, I understand (or rather I think) what you mean, but I cannot get rid of that bad feeling.

I guess, I would fail at something like that.

[Caity 3,946]

Good to know, but I still think that's too easy to make a mistake. Of course, I understand (or rather I think) what you mean, but I cannot get rid of that bad feeling.

I guess, I would fail at something like that.

 

I can understand not wanting to, but I feel in that situation it'd be something I'd have to do, my familys safety is the most important thing to me.  Thankfully I live in a safe part of the city and have burglar sensors everywhere, even built into the wall of each room

 

I'm also void of emotion, yay for me (Y)

[Amon 4,279]

Guns are the citizen's only way to protect themselves from their own government. Ban guns and a government can do whatever you want. 

 

Ban guns they said, you can trust your government they said. Tell that to these poor people

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you think the Nazi's could of carried away 6 million people to gas chambers if those people owned guns? Do you think the Soviets could of starved millions of Ukrainians if the Ukrainians had guns? Do you think the Chinese government could force people to work in factories and die making your children toys and electronics if those workers had guns? 

 

Here are some more facts about what gun control does to a country. 

 

- Mr. 96 you're going to want to read number three on this list http://www.policymic.com/articles/24124/7-gun-control-facts-that-are-actually-myths

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People need to actually start doing research and stop shoving liberal bias up their butts and shitting it out their mouth. But out of all of those facts, the following is the most important one. 

 

 

It's not about stopping violence, it's not about protecting the innocent, it's not about saving lives, and it's not about making the world a safer place.

 

It is about manipulating and controlling others. The fact that government's have the audicty to ban guns despite all of the evidence against gun bans just shows that they don't give a rats ass about your saftey and your well being. They want you to be their puppets and tools for whatever agenda they have. Sometimes it's for the greater good, but most of the time, it's not so good afterall. 

Edited June 28, 2013 by Amon

[Sora96 17,256]

Guns are the citizen's only way to protect themselves from their own government. Ban guns and a government can do whatever you want. 

 

Ban guns they said, you can trust your government they said. Tell that to these poor people

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you think the Nazi's could of carried away 6 million people to gas chambers if those people owned guns? Do you think the Soviets could of starved millions of Ukrainians if the Ukrainians had guns? Do you think the Chinese government could force people to work in factories and die making your children toys and electronics if those workers had guns? 

 

Here are some more facts about what gun control does to a country. 

 

- Mr. 96 you're going to want to read number three on this list http://www.policymic.com/articles/24124/7-gun-control-facts-that-are-actually-myths

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People need to actually start doing research and stop shoving liberal bias up their butts and shitting it out their mouth. 

 

Banning guns made Australia a better place, and look at Australia now. It's the greatest country in the world.

 

Also, I don't listen to Liberal party. I listen to the Labour party. Go Kevin Rudd!

[Amon 4,279]

Banning guns made Australia a better place, and look at Australia now. It's the greatest country in the world.

 

Also, I don't listen to Liberal party. I listen to the Labour party. Go Kevin Rudd!

 

Thank you for ignoring 99% of everything I said. 

[Shana09 5,769]

Banning guns made Australia a better place, and look at Australia now. It's the greatest country in the world.

 

Also, I don't listen to Liberal party. I listen to the Labour party. Go Kevin Rudd!

 

The bias. It hurts.

 

You should read the entire post, screaming Australia is amazing isn't really the most amazing counter-argument since it's biased or just an opinion. 

[Sora96 17,256]

Thank you for ignoring 99% of everything I said. 

 

I didn't ignore it.

 

I saw you comparing the U.S to the UK. So I stated that Australia became a better country after it banned guns, and it's the greatest country in the world now. So that's gotta count for something.

 

If guns aren't such a big problem in America, why would people like Jon Bon Jovi be speaking out and getting put on death lists for it?

[Amon 4,279]

I didn't ignore it.

 

I saw you comparing the U.S to the UK. So I stated that Australia became a better country after it banned guns, and it's the greatest country in the world now. So that's gotta count for something.

 

If guns aren't such a big problem in America, why would people like Jon Bon Jovi be speaking out and getting put on death lists for it?

 

If you actually read through everything and didn't skim it to avoid educating yourself you would find that I actually referred to Australia quite a few times. 

 

Celebrities like Bon Jovi typically have no idea what they are talking about. The fact that people would rather listen to whatever a celebrity spews out of their mouth than actual facts and statistics is a sad commentary on our society. 

[Dracozombie 4,554]

I don't know about some people around here, but I certainly learned something.

 

I'm giving the benefit of the doubt and assuming if the solution was truly as simple as ban guns=problem solved, it would've happened by now, like, everywhere.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

The moral of this thread is once again Sora96 needs to research the facts before going on another rant about America. All the while pretending to not go on a rant about America.

 

P.S Since when is Bon Jovi the authority on anything. o_O

[legendkiller222 22]

America and guns is a topic that is highly blown out of proportion. Our violent crime has been the lowest it has been in 60 years according to FBI statistics. The reason why the gun debate occurs is because a tragedy happens and people think banning guns or restricting them will save lives in the future. While this may seem like  a valid way to combat gun violence, the truth is prohibition doesn't work because a black market opens up that allows accessibility to banned items. You only have to look at the War on Drugs for the failure of prohibition. Our gun problem is a crime problem that is linked to inequality economically. People have very few reasons to use guns if they are educated well and have the ability to get a good job.  Also, America is a country of 350 million people it is much harder to combat issues with a population of that size.

[Saber Lily 1,543]

OK. I've calmed down after a long day. My last post was made after I found out my chocolate milk had gone bad. Now I am going to direct your attention to the following wall of text.

 

In reference to the picture, I will refute Israel's 8 gun deaths on a very real fact: Everywhere you turn, there is a firetrucking M4 Carbine. Guns are not banned, but people are not stupid enough to try and fire a handgun off when you got the Israeli army coming around within .2 nanoseconds. Plus, a certain age group in Israel is REQUIRED to have training and recieve a gun. Why are you not saying Israel is disgusting for such a thing?

 

Source: My parents have visited Israel a few times and have been all over Jerusalem.

 

Now, let's see.

 

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3644/britain_wants_its_guns_back

 

I'll admit it can be shaky with the comments, but many of the commenters have both refuted some things and strengthen others., but the fact is, I'm referring to the rise in the UK's crime rate when guns were banned. Leaving the ordinary citizen without a weapon just let those who DON'T GIVE A DONKEY'S ASS about the laws get a gun. Call Jon Bon Jovi disgusting, think it's bad parenting for a dad to teach his daughter to shoot a gun, go ahead. The fact of the matter, is that guns are not the root of all the firetrucking evil. No, guns are actually the LOW END OF THE FRIGGIN SPECTRUM. Crime rises whenever guns are banned. Now? They want them BACK!

 

 

This graph is an example of what I mean. As guns were banned, crimes WITH GUNS went up. Colombine, the theater in Aurora, Virgina Tech, and Sandy Hook. if you notice, all those places had no one whatsoever with a weapon. No school cop, no teacher with a gun. At aurora, just movie goers. And look at how the cops helped. They got there to tally the bodies and tell people who died. I could pull the trigger of a Glock 9mm faster then I can dial 911 and beg for help.

 

Here, another chart.

 

http://www.anesi.com/Deaths2011.jpg

 

Oh, and let's look at this article from the New York Times:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us/strict-chicago-gun-laws-cant-stem-fatal-shots.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

Chicago banned, then got AS LEGALLY CLOSE to a ban as HUMANELY POSSIBLE. And yet, look at this:

 

 

http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/illinois/chicago.html#.UcjW_pwpSM8

 

I'm sorry, but here is those bans you have been saying the US should have. Outright, as legally possible. And now Chicago can't even keep enough trauma centers open to ensure Gunshot Victims get proper care. They die en route because of hose expensive they are, and in Chicago? Hell.

 

Let's get of the US, my home, and talk about Germany.

 

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/germany

 

This place speaks for itself. I don't even need to Wall Of Text it. Just read it.

 

Off to Japan!

 

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/japan

 

Damn this site is handy. No TL;DR, find the time to read the handy site.

 

I'm saving your brain by giving you links, alright? Now I'll go check the US.

 

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

 

Suicide: 38,285.

Suicide by Gun: 19,799

 

The other 18,519? Let's gripe because little over half is gun suicides. And what happened when, in Africa, people got their guns taken away? They got machetes, and they went and snuck up on the soldiers murdering them all, and hacked them to death.

 

Everyone complains GUNS are such a major problem. But when guns are gone, the criminals either say "whatevs" and get one, or just get a knife, or hatchet, or machete, or a car. A baseball bat, a sharp icicle.

 

When car deaths exceeded gun deaths, why were we not banning cars? No, we imposed more classes, tighter restrictions, and even more education. Why can you not apply the same principles to firearms? Why must guns be BANNED immediately, while CARS JUST GET MORE CLASSES AND PROGRAMS?

 

http://theday.com/article/20130115/OP02/301159984/-1/today

 

The last line makes an excellent point.

 

If we have more responsible people with guns, if better laws and better programs about gun safety, gun use, and gun etiquette are made, what stops the gun deaths from going down? Strengthen the suicide prevention programs, make people more aware of the people. Store guns more responsibly.

 

But no, everyone cries guns are evil. They are the route of all problems.

 

http://www.policymic.com/articles/24124/7-gun-control-facts-that-are-actually-myths

 

Link happy me. Read this for a breakdown of the most known facts.

 

 

So, to close this post off, I am going to point out what famous people have said, in regards to gun control.

 

We don't let them have ideas. Why should we let them have guns?

-Joseph Stalin

 

“Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look

upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.”

-Mahatma Gandhi, in Gandhi, An Autobiography, p. 446

 

 

“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people

fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the

people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort,

to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”

- Thomas Jefferson

(1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of

Independence, 3rd US President

 

Thank you for reading, and have a pleasant day.

 

 

Banning guns made Australia a better place, and look at Australia now. It's the greatest country in the world.

 

Also, I don't listen to Liberal party. I listen to the Labour party. Go Kevin Rudd!

I like how you utterly ignored the major posts refuting you Sora96.

 

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2974487/posts

 

And because you'll say their made up, peruse this:

 

http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics.html

 

Back to the US. These statistics are from 2011 and I haven't found the most recent ones yet.

 

 

Chicago: Highest, most binding, effective, legal means to control guns. High crime rate.

 

Austin : Most lax gun laws. One of the lowest crime rates in the country.

 

People tend to think "Who might shoot my ass if I do this?" when you're in a place where the SHERIFFS have told the goverment "we're not taking the people's guns."

 

It takes 911 First Responders, once they get the call, between 10 and 20 minutes, sometimes even 30, to get to the scene of the crime. It would take me less then a second to pull a trigger, after maybe two minutes of grabbing and loading a gun, because if you have one, you probably have it in reaching distance.

 

In another conclusion, Chicago' violent crimes are 2176.9, Detroit's is 2137.4, and Washington, D.C, the NATIONAL CAPITAL: 1130.3.

 

Austin, Texas: 430.1

Dallas, Texas: 681.1

San Antonio, Texas: 519.3

 

It takes three Texas cities to outdo the crime in Chicago. It takes two to outdo the crime in Washington, D.C.

 

That, ladies and gentlemen, is why Gun Bans are useless.

[Amon 4,279]

Contrary to popular belief, the "Wild West" wasn't so wild. In fact, even with minimal or no law enforcement, crime on the frontier occurred at significantly lower rates than in other areas of the country. Why was that? 

 

Everyone and their dogs was carrying one of these. 

 

 

 

And slept in bed next to one of these (which would roughly be the equivalent of sleeping next to an assault rifle today)

 

 

 

That my friends is what we call "Frontier Justice". 

[Henne 150]

At least, we all think that children should not wield a gun, right?