If a light were to be killed off...Permanently.

[EternalReckoning 1,135]

ALL OF THEM!!!!!!

 

joke, joke.

[Gogo 11]

Lea (if he does become one).

 

For the sheer amusement of the raging fanbase that brought him back in the first place. Not that I have anything against them, I'm just a complete ass like that.

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Why does someone have to die?

Also they don't have to necessarily destroy all the darknesses just defeat them or destroy enough of them to throw of the formula.

[DarknessOrLight 32]

Nomura has already confirmed that Sora will always remain the main protagonist in future games after the Xehanort Saga

Yes, I know that but Nomura does have a habit of changing his mind a lot haha. But if he does that I hope he does it right it just doesn't milk it out.

Edited June 22, 2013 by DarknessOrLight

[Gogo 11]

Yes, I know that but Nomura does have a habit of changing his mind a lot haha. But if he does dot hat I hope he does it right it just doesn't milk it out.

 

Nomura: Due to popular demand, we decided to make Lea the new main protagonist! (Laughs)

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Nomura: Due to popular demand, we decided to make Lea the new main protagonist! (Laughs)

 

Do you got a boner for Lea bc you've made several posts ragging on that he's got such a big fanbase..Just sayin'. There's nothing wrong with being a fan favorite.

[Gogo 11]

I count two; that last one I can't really help since Lea's the only noticeable moment of Nomura giving in to fan service that I can recall (or that he's ever admitted to).

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I count two; that last one I can't really help since Lea's the only noticeable moment of Nomura giving in to fan service that I can recall (or that he's ever admitted to).

 

 When you have only a few posts it's quite noticeable. Well Nomura has stated he loved Sora, Luxord,and Xehanort too. It's just that Lea isn't the main protagonist so his growing role gets emphasized more. Sora gets the messiah treatment by many fans but that's not a reason to hate and Lea's fandom isn't one either.Luxord prolly is Nomura's only fav that gets little attention. Riku having such a growing evolving role can be considered fanservice too. Nomura caters to many fandoms in KH.

[Dave 5,715]

At this point, I don't think death works in any of the main characters' plot arcs. Riku's path of redemption is done best if he has to live with his actions and overcome them, and Lea is in much of the same boat, earning his second chance and trying to make a new lease on life. Kairi's story is about proving she can be here, and that is done by overcoming the odds, not falling to them. And while I can see Sora genuinely trying to sacrifice himself to save all, given that he's already done that in KH1, I think a repeat wouldn't be necessary. As for the BBS trio, there's little point in bringing them back just to ice them once again. If they were going to get the axe, they should have done it at the end of their own game when the dramatic tension was at its highest.

 

Honestly, killing off a character for the sake of killing of a character is really just panhandling for cheap tears. I wouldn't want it unless it actually made sense for the character and the story.

[DarknessOrLight 32]

Nomura: Due to popular demand, we decided to make Lea the new main protagonist! (Laughs)

Haha, I can see that happening. I actually can see at least one game having Lea as the main protagonist. That would be epic!

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

At this point, I don't think death works in any of the main characters' plot arcs. Riku's path of redemption is done best if he has to live with his actions and overcome them, and Lea is in much of the same boat, earning his second chance and trying to make a new lease on life. Kairi's story is about proving she can be here, and that is done by overcoming the odds, not falling to them. And while I can see Sora genuinely trying to sacrifice himself to save all, given that he's already done that in KH1, I think a repeat wouldn't be necessary. As for the BBS trio, there's little point in bringing them back just to ice them once again. If they were going to get the axe, they should have done it at the end of their own game when the dramatic tension was at its highest.

 

Honestly, killing off a character for the sake of killing of a character is really just panhandling for cheap tears. I wouldn't want it unless it actually made sense for the character and the story.

 

Well said .I couldn't agree more .

Haha, I can see that happening. I actually can see at least one game having Lea as the main protagonist. That would be epic!

 

Yes it would !

[Gogo 11]

 When you have only a few posts it's quite noticeable. Well Nomura has stated he loved Sora, Luxord,and Xehanort too. It's just that Lea isn't the main protagonist so his growing role gets emphasized more. Sora gets the messiah treatment by many fans but that's not a reason to hate and Lea's fandom isn't one either.Luxord prolly is Nomura's only fav that gets little attention. Riku having such a growing evolving role can be considered fanservice too. Nomura caters to many fandoms in KH.

 

"Catering to fandoms" can sometimes actually mean "writing as planned." In a series as intricate as KH, having a character with a role as significant as Lea's can lead to a lot of complications: Sometimes good, sometimes bad. Obviously, Nomura put a lot of time and effort into making his return worthwhile and making sense of it. I don't mind Lea's reappearance since it worked out in the long run, but I'm still a bit salty that the whole thing was a bit of an unnecessary risk.

[Demyx. 10,064]

"Catering to fandoms" can sometimes actually mean "writing as planned." In a series as intricate as KH, having a character with a role as significant as Lea's can lead to a lot of complications: Sometimes good, sometimes bad. Obviously, Nomura put a lot of time and effort into making his return worthwhile and making sense of it. I don't mind Lea's reappearance since it worked out in the long run, but I'm still a bit salty that the whole thing was a bit of an unnecessary risk.

Kingdom Hearts in general is a risk. Because Nomura just pulls things out of his ass as he goes along.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

"Catering to fandoms" can sometimes actually mean "writing as planned." In a series as intricate as KH, having a character with a role as significant as Lea's can lead to a lot of complications: Sometimes good, sometimes bad. Obviously, Nomura put a lot of time and effort into making his return worthwhile and making sense of it. I don't mind Lea's reappearance since it worked out in the long run, but I'm still a bit salty that the whole thing was a bit of an unnecessary risk.

 

Well the one thing that made me really love the character was that I did feel Nomura did a great job evolving him by developing his character and he wasn't just fluff. He is also immensely entertaining and I love a bad boy with a good heart deep down. It was a 'risk' that more than worked out. But Nomura kinda operates a lot on risk and it's worked in the long run or we wouldn't all be here discussing this right now

[Gogo 11]

You guys gotta admit though, there are some patterns that have surprisingly lasted throughout the series for several titles, maybe a couple lasting as far back as KH1. I remember a while back that I was discussing with some other people that KH may have taken some concepts from the Monomyth, so I'm thinking Nomura had a vague idea what to do with the series from KH1 to CoM, and then he started developing the series, as we know it today, KH2 onward.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

You guys gotta admit though, there are some patterns that have surprisingly lasted throughout the series for several titles, maybe a couple lasting as far back as KH1. I remember a while back that I was discussing with some other people that KH may have taken some concepts from the Monomyth, so I'm thinking Nomura had a vague idea what to do with the series from KH1 to CoM, and then he started developing the series, as we know it today, KH2 onward.

 

Well he definitely pulls things outta his ass. But there are some concepts he likes to leave open that he chooses to build on or leave open to build on later . But he has a tendency to retcon too bc he does change things as he goes as he pleases. DDD is a prime example of retcons like how the X-blade was forged and time travel.Plus he admitted as such that he only plans so many games ahead .:

 

— Speaking of the previous titles, about when do you start thinking of the ‘next title’?

Nomura: It’s a gradual process. When Kingdom Hearts was in production, I was considering ideas for Kingdom Hearts II and Chain of Memories. And when those two were in production, I was thinking of ideas for the next three, 358/2 Days, Coded, and Birth by Sleep.

— Were you thinking of KH3D when those 3 titles were in production?

Nomura: KH3D was put together relatively quickly, I was still concepting the story when I brought it to the table.

[TripleNipple 308]

I wouldn't mind Roxas being killed off...lol. He used to be my favorite character until they introduced Ven. 

[DarknessOrLight 32]

Well he definitely pulls things outta his ass. But there are some concepts he likes to leave open that he chooses to build on or leave open to build on later . But he has a tendency to retcon too bc he does change things as he goes as he pleases. DDD is a prime example of retcons like how the X-blade was forged and time travel.Plus he admitted as such that he only plans so many games ahead .:

 

— Speaking of the previous titles, about when do you start thinking of the ‘next title’?

Nomura: It’s a gradual process. When Kingdom Hearts was in production, I was considering ideas for Kingdom Hearts II and Chain of Memories. And when those two were in production, I was thinking of ideas for the next three, 358/2 Days, Coded, and Birth by Sleep.

— Were you thinking of KH3D when those 3 titles were in production?

Nomura: KH3D was put together relatively quickly, I was still concepting the story when I brought it to the table.

So we can presume that Nomura knows exactly what he will be doing for KH3 and is now planning for the next saga. 

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

So we can presume that Nomura knows exactly what he will be doing for KH3 and is now planning for the next saga. 

 

Hopefully .Not sure about the next saga though. Maybe a lead in ? 

[Gogo 11]

Well he definitely pulls things outta his ass. But there are some concepts he likes to leave open that he chooses to build on or leave open to build on later . But he has a tendency to retcon too bc he does change things as he goes as he pleases. DDD is a prime example of retcons like how the X-blade was forged and time travel.

 

"Open-ended concepts" seems like a fair way to put it. I wouldn't exactly call the X-Blade's true requirements or time-traveling examples of retcons (given that, with enough critical thinking, you could arguably come up with reasonable excuses for those concepts being in the series), but I'm willing to admit that Nomura busted an arm and leg to come up with justifiable explanations. Otherwise, ideas such as those would at least have been referenced throughout the series.

 

Not bad, though. It does make sense for several of the concepts to have been designed as open-ended.

Edited June 22, 2013 by Gogo

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

"Open-ended concepts" seems like a fair way to put it. I wouldn't exactly call the X-Blade's true requirements or time-traveling examples of retcons (given that, with enough critical thinking, you could arguably come up with reasonable excuses for those concepts being in the series), but I'm willing to admit that Nomura busted an arm and leg to come up with justifiable explanations. Otherwise, ideas such as those would at least have been referenced throughout the series.

 

Not bad, though. It does make sense for several of the concepts to have been designed as open-ended.

 

Well leaving many things open ended leaves things open to creativity . But I could argue a solid case concerning retcons when refering to both time travel and the X-blade but we'd be here forever .I will say this though: He evens states in the reports in BBS the only way to forge the X-blade was with 1 pure light and 1 pure darkness and now it's 7 vs 13. And his excuse? 'Maybe i was a tad hasty"  Xehanort- the man with back up plan after back up plan's excuse was he was hasty.LOL. As for time travel , the way it was used was shoe horned in and that's most people's biggest issue with it. It's like Nomura leaves concepts open to possibly build on later but when he does decide to build on such previous concepts some need rewritten to support his newly written material that wasn't that way before so it's definitely a retcon . For the most part though, I do agree that he does try his best to have justifiable explanations to cover this and that's why regardless I do love the plot of KH and just accept any flaws I find with the plot. It's more than entertaining.

[DarknessOrLight 32]

Well leaving many things open ended leaves things open to creativity . But I could argue a solid case concerning retcons when refering to both time travel and the X-blade but we'd be here forever .I will say this though: He evens states in the reports in BBS the only way to forge the X-blade was with 1 pure light and 1 pure darkness and now it's 7 vs 13. And his excuse? 'Maybe i was a tad hasty"  Xehanort- the man with back up plan after back up plan's excuse was he was hasty.LOL. As for time travel , the way it was used was shoe horned in and that's most people's biggest issue with it. It's like Nomura leaves concepts open to possibly build on later but when he does decide to build on such previous concepts some need rewritten to support his newly written material that wasn't that way before so it's definitely a retcon . For the most part though, I do agree that he does try his best to have justifiable explanations to cover this and that's why regardless I do love the plot of KH and just accept any flaws I find with the plot. It's more than entertaining.

By the whole 7 vs 13 to forge the X Blade can actually make sense, along with the 1 pure light and 1 pure darkness. The reason why 7 vs 13 works is because the X Blade was broken into 20 pieces (7 of light and 13 of darkness). By having the 7 lights and 13 guardians clash is like rebuilding the X Blade. 

[Gogo 11]

By the whole 7 vs 13 to forge the X Blade can actually make sense, along with the 1 pure light and 1 pure darkness. The reason why 7 vs 13 works is because the X Blade was broken into 20 pieces (7 of light and 13 of darkness). By having the 7 lights and 13 guardians clash is like rebuilding the X Blade. 

 

No matter how amazingly symbolic the X-Blade's forging could be (and believe me, I've come up with quite a few ideas as to how it draws from older concepts in the series), it doesn't change how it caused a lot of unnecessary confusion, compared to what could have been if it weren't in the series. For instance, it begs the question: If the X-Blade of BBS was fake, why did it even exist in the first place? What is BBS' method's relation to the real method?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

By the whole 7 vs 13 to forge the X Blade can actually make sense, along with the 1 pure light and 1 pure darkness. The reason why 7 vs 13 works is because the X Blade was broken into 20 pieces (7 of light and 13 of darkness). By having the 7 lights and 13 guardians clash is like rebuilding the X Blade. 

 

That doesn't change the fact that Nomura changed the conditions needed to forge it even if the numbers seem symbolic. All the 7 vs 13 lore was added later for convenience of plot.The conditions were previously stated and then changed completely in a future game to fit plot device aka retcon Like i said, regardless, I will overlook this bc i still enjoy the plot greatly .

No matter how amazingly symbolic the X-Blade's forging could be (and believe me, I've come up with quite a few ideas as to how it draws from older concepts in the series), it doesn't change how it caused a lot of unnecessary confusion, compared to what could have been if it weren't in the series. For instance, it begs the question: If the X-Blade of BBS was fake, why did it even exist in the first place? What is BBS' method's relation to the real method?

 

Exactly bc 1 v 1 is quite a difference from 7 vs 13. Yet it still made a X-blade even if incomplete. . That's quite a 'miscalculation '. lol

[King.Mickey 359]

No matter how amazingly symbolic the X-Blade's forging could be (and believe me, I've come up with quite a few ideas as to how it draws from older concepts in the series), it doesn't change how it caused a lot of unnecessary confusion, compared to what could have been if it weren't in the series. For instance, it begs the question: If the X-Blade of BBS was fake, why did it even exist in the first place? What is BBS' method's relation to the real method?

The one made in BBS was also a "true" one, as there exists no fake X-blade, it was just not a perfect one but one with only two of the twenty pieces, making it extremely unstable.So even if Ven had not resisted and Vanitas would have been able to complete the blade on the out- and inside, it would still have been extremely unstable.These pieces hide themselves in the hearts of chosen people, so to "find" them you have to bring the persons together. Ventus already has(is) one of the seven light pieces just like Vanitas has (is) one of the dark pieces.

But we don't even know who the lights are yet. So how would we know who we would want to die?Also, it's Kingdom Hearts. It's possible for people not to die.

And it's also possible to die. Some Nomuralogic could probably easily explain it, like "you can't die twice..." like if it was Lea for instance. or something. I dunno. xDAnd they don't have to be lights specifically yet, just someone who we think could be one and who you'd want it to be if they did die. Like I was saying for Roxas.