How bout this

[Demyx. 10,064]

So if there was supposed to be 7 lights and 13 darknesses. Why does Xehanort think he can just make them? What if the original 13 darknesses show up and kick all of the Xehanort's 13 darknesses' asses. Meanwhile the 7 lights just think "Well..I guess we'll just go home while you guys figure this problem out". Then the real 13 darknesses and Xehanort's darknesses destroy each other.

 

How would you guys feel about that?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I'd be like ' Welp that happened" and proceed to laugh at Xehanort failing once more .

[Firaga 5,947]

What original 13 Darknesses? :mellow:

[Demyx. 10,064]

What original 13 Darknesses? :mellow:

The actually 13 darknesses that were created after the keyblade war. Not the manufactured one that Xehanort is making.

Edited June 19, 2013 by Megaman X

[Firaga 5,947]

The actually 13 darknesses that were created after the keyblade war. Not the manufactured one that Xehanort is making.

 

Where?

[Shana09 5,769]

What original 13 Darknesses? :mellow:

 

Pluto, Minnie, Daisy, SImba, Chip, Dale, Ariel, Stich, Tinker Bell, Dumbo, Meow Wow, Paopu Fruit and Sora's Mom.

They were chosen to undermine 7 Lights by taking their cherished ones and turn them into darkness.

My uncle works at Square Enix. 

 

 

[teh lazy prince Xylek 1,559]

then...i would cry

[FightTheDarkness 85]

Haha, Nomura troll level= GREATER THAN 9,000!!!!

[Helios X 6]

They are referred to as the 13 fragments of darkness but like the 7 fragments of light it is unclear who or what they are. Xehanort's clones are recreations and substitutes to replace those fragments. It is not known if Organization 13 posses these fragments and are using them to create pure darknesses out of each member. It is not know if they are hearts or simply objects that sprout darkness. Story wise there is nothing that suggest that this is true and that Xehanort is simply relying on his heart fragments to turn selected members into entities of darkness.

[The_eternal_nothing 586]

Xehanort wins

[Helios X 6]

X-Blade happened. Arms up for Sephiroth! He's gonna kick the crap out of you! Yeaaah! X-blade proceeds to shatter.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

They are referred to as the 13 fragments of darkness but like the 7 fragments of light it is unclear who or what they are. Xehanort's clones are recreations and substitutes to replace those fragments. It is not known if Organization 13 posses these fragments and are using them to create pure darknesses out of each member. It is not know if they are hearts or simply objects that sprout darkness. Story wise there is nothing that suggest that this is true and that Xehanort is simply relying on his heart fragments to turn selected members into entities of darkness.

 

See thats the thing- the 7 light fragments were the 7 PoH and they uphold the world from falling into complete darkness. That's why they are needed to be protected .So if the light fragments turned into the PoH in however way where did the 13 fragments of darkness go ? It would only make sense they were hearts like their light counterparts since they are fragments of the same thing. We know where the 7 lights are but no mention of the original darknesses. Xehanort was confirmed to use pieces of his own heart to make his 13 darknesses and thats why he can possess all of them as he pleases bc they are him now pretty much. This wouldn't be the case if he just found  the 13 darkness fragments and inserted those . That also opens up the question of where he found them . Then on top of that , this plan was only his back up since his many other plans failed .A just-in -case mind you .. None of his other incarnations plans made any mention or usage of these 13 darkness fragments ever.  Then,He has openly discussed using his own heart to fullfill his plan to make vessels of darkness but there is no word of the original darkness fragments from long ago . That's why he seems to think clashing his darknesses he made will forge the X-blade with either the 7 PoH or the GoL who will defend them in a clash he now deems unavoidable and inevitable.He seems to think manufacturing his pieces is a perfectly ok substitution.  Maybe this is his upcoming downfall considering he was wrong about how to go about the XBlade in BBS bc he thought that way would work too. There are many unanswered questions to this situation that doesn't add up if you think about it .

[Helios X 6]

See thats the thing- the 7 light fragments were the 7 PoH and they uphold the world from falling into complete darkness. That's why they are needed to be protected .So if the light fragments turned into the PoH in however way where did the 13 fragments of darkness go ? It would only make sense they were hearts like their light counterparts since they are fragments of the same thing. We know where the 7 lights are but no mention of the original darknesses. Xehanort was confirmed to use pieces of his own heart to make his 13 darknesses and thats why he can possess all of them as he pleases bc they are him now pretty much. This wouldn't be the case if he just found the 13 darkness fragments and inserted those . That also opens up the question of where he found them . Then on top of that , this plan was only his back up since his many other plans failed .A just-in -case mind you .. None of his other incarnations plans made any mention or usage of these 13 darkness fragments ever. Then,He has openly discussed using his own heart to fullfill his plan to make vessels of darkness but there is no word of the original darkness fragments from long ago . That's why he seems to think clashing his darknesses he made will forge the X-blade with either the 7 PoH or the GoL who will defend them in a clash he now deems unavoidable and inevitable.He seems to think manufacturing his pieces is a perfectly ok substitution. Maybe this is his upcoming downfall considering he was wrong about how to go about the XBlade in BBS bc he thought that way would work too. There are many unanswered questions to this situation that doesn't add up if you think about it .

Agreed.Now this part that I'm about say is pure speculation. Perhaps the 13 fragments of darkness reside in the realm of darkness. Just like the 7 Princesses of Heart reside in the realm of light. P.S: I'm really confused about the princesses being the fragments of the X-Blade. In the secret ending of Re:coded Yen Sid explains that the 7 princesses of heart are the result of the childrens light that restored the world and that the fragments are the guardians. Then other sources say th PoH are the fragments. I have to check that out. The princesses do have powers that are legendary and fit something as the X-blade. Edited June 19, 2013 by geocenter

[TripleNipple 308]

Pluto, Minnie, Daisy, SImba, Chip, Dale, Ariel, Stich, Tinker Bell, Dumbo, Meow Wow, Paopu Fruit and Sora's Mom.

They were chosen to undermine 7 Lights by taking their cherished ones and turn them into darkness.

My uncle works at Square Enix. 

 

 

Sora's mom. 

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Agreed.Now this part that I'm about say is pure speculation. Perhaps the 13 fragments of darkness reside in the realm of darkness. Just like the 7 Princesses of Heart reside in the realm of light.P.S: I'm really confused about the princesses being the fragments of the X-Blade. In the secret ending of Re:coded Yen Sid explains that the 7 princesses of heart are the result of the childrens light that restored the world and that the fragments are the guardians. Then other sources say th PoH are the fragments. I have to check that out. The princesses do have powers that are legendary and fit something as the X-blade.

 

I'm almost positive the story is the 7 fragments ended up being the PoH.Re:Coded's secret ending doesn't mention the 7 lights or guardians. It talks about Xehanorts return and looking for TAV. See the biggest problem with people thinking different things is that this whole part of the plot was retconned from what was explained and said in earlier games  Also Xehanort mentioned if something were to happen to a light the light side would just pick a replacement .You can't really do that with a PoH just the guardians . As for the fragments being in the RoD that's an interesting guess that's possible . Afterall, Mickey needed to go there to find the Kingdom Key D.

Edited June 19, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[Reyn 1,755]

I'm almost positive the story is the 7 fragments ended up being the PoH.Re:Coded's secret ending doesn't mention the 7 lights or guardians. It talks about Xehanorts return and looking for TAV. See the biggest problem with people thinking different things is that this whole part of the plot was retconned from what was explained and said in earlier games  Also Xehanort mentioned if something were to happen to a light the light side would just pick a replacement .You can't really do that with a PoH just the guardians . As for the fragments being in the RoD that's an interesting guess that's possible . Afterall, Mickey needed to go there to find the Kingdom Key D.

You're right. In the secret ending of DDD, Mickey confirmed that the 7 light fragments from the original X-Blade are the PoH, but no one ever mentions who or what the 13 dark fragments from the X-blade are. I assume we'll probably find that out for sure in KH3, unless Nomura's saving that for the next saga.

 

As for what Xehanort said about a Light being replaced should someone not be able to be a light, that does only work for the Guardians, but i think he only said that because he's sure that there's no chance that the guardians wouldn't leave the PoH defenseless so Xehanort has an easier chance at forging the true X-Blade. Im sure he knows that one way or another, he'll have to confront the guardians rather than the PoH at the fated battle.

 

Its not too farfetched that the 13 dark fragments could be in the RoD, since the 7 PoH are in the realm of Light, so its possible.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

You're right. In the secret ending of DDD, Mickey confirmed that the 7 light fragments from the original X-Blade are the PoH, but no one ever mentions who or what the 13 dark fragments from the X-blade are. I assume we'll probably find that out for sure in KH3, unless Nomura's saving that for the next saga.

 

As for what Xehanort said about a Light being replaced should someone not be able to be a light, that does only work for the Guardians, but i think he only said that because he's sure that there's no chance that the guardians wouldn't leave the PoH defenseless so Xehanort has an easier chance at forging the true X-Blade. Im sure he knows that one way or another, he'll have to confront the guardians rather than the PoH at the fated battle.

 

Its not too farfetched that the 13 dark fragments could be in the RoD, since the 7 PoH are in the realm of Light, so its possible.

 

Well I think his point was more of telling Mickey that although he was listing possible GoL those candidates could be turned into vessels like Terra and the almost Sora without ruining the 7/13 formula since there were other lights that would and could replace them . He knows though that they would never leave the PoH defenseless and thats why he said regardless this clash was basically inevitable and 'destiny'

Edited June 19, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[Reyn 1,755]

Well I think his point was more of telling Mickey that although he was listing possible GoL those candidates could be turned into vessels like Terra and the almost Sora without ruining the 7/13 formula since there were other lights that would and could replace them . He knows though that they would never leave the PoH defenseless and thats why he said regardless this clash was basically inevitable and 'destiny'

Yep, anyone could be a light or darkness, literally. And yes, due to how he backed them into a corner with threatening the PoH, they really have no choice, he'll try to forge the X-blade anyway, so they might aswell fight.

[MAtgS 70]

What's with Xehanort's obsession with faking it? Artificial heartless, fake Kingdom Hearts', replicas & now making a 2nd X-blade with replacement hearts instead of going for the genuine article. Maybe he would've been more successful if he did it the right way.

 

Given that most of the PoH are Disney characters, it's probably not a stretch to imagine that at least some of the dark hearts are as well.

[EternalReckoning 1,135]

if there are 7 lights and thirteen darknesses and both sides are presumably equal wouldnt that make each light stronger than a single darkness?

 

there was a similar concept in the manga "ultimo" where there were 6 virtues and 7 sins, both sides were equal but one was good, one was evil obviously. but that required each virtue to be slightly stronger, i think its possible that applies here.

[NO_HEART_XIII 312]

Sounds like a good plan for the next Saga. People that worship darkness more than Ansem, I can't even imagin.

[Helios X 6]

I'm almost positive the story is the 7 fragments ended up being the PoH.Re:Coded's secret ending doesn't mention the 7 lights or guardians. It talks about Xehanorts return and looking for TAV. See the biggest problem with people thinking different things is that this whole part of the plot was retconned from what was explained and said in earlier games Also Xehanort mentioned if something were to happen to a light the light side would just pick a replacement .You can't really do that with a PoH just the guardians . As for the fragments being in the RoD that's an interesting guess that's possible . Afterall, Mickey needed to go there to find the Kingdom Key D.

Yeah I checked it out. My bad. It was during KH 3D they said the the princesses were the fragments but then Xehanort said that guardians will clash and forge the X-blade, then Yen Sid said Xehanort might use either the PoH or GoL. Edited June 19, 2013 by geocenter

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Yeah I checked it out. My bad. It was during KH 3D they said the the princesses were the fragments but then Xehanort said that guardians will clash and forge the X-blade, then Yen Sid said Xehanort might use either the PoH or GoL.

 

It's all good my friend

[Rob 5,571]

$60 well spent.

[Helios X 6]

Re:Coded's secret ending doesn't mention the 7 lights or guardians. It talks about Xehanorts return and looking for TAV. See the biggest problem with people thinking different things is that this whole part of the plot was retconned from what was explained and said in earlier games.

I'm positive that I've heard something about the 7 lights and 13 darknesses. It was in the secret ending of KH 3D were Yen Sid explained that when Kingdom Hearts was swallowed in darkness the light of children rebuilt the world. Then after the X-blade shattered it's light divided into seven to protect the number of pure hearts (PoH). That's when I get confused when people start saying that the princesses are the fragments of the X-blade.