Image Our Education System...

[ReverofE 698]

Your thoughts on Einstein's quote and this pic?

[The_eternal_nothing 586]

its a fair statement 

[EternalReckoning 1,135]

so true, the final exams/leaving cert system doesnt suit everyone there should be a more fair way to get people certified.

[Ghost 1,857]

Idk I feel like they care more about grades than students ACTUALLY learning. Just my opinion. Scores don't always reflect someone's intelligence.

[Sora2 84]

TBF how do you measure someones smarts ...  Smart people can adept to different thinggs e.g different real world situations such as your car has a flat wheel you got no spare  what do you do. A knowledgeable person has a  lot of knowledge from reading books or other stuff . Just because your smart does not mean your knowledgeable and just because your knowledgeable does not mean your smart i rather just put everyone in a fight and win is the smartest person

[Shana09 5,769]

Grades don't properly reflect a persons common knowledge but grades do however show how well you are doing in the classes that are needs probably in your future professions. The education system does need some work, but at the same time it's very easy to get around the system in order to achieve the grade you desire with minimal effort. I'm not that wonderful at Algebra, neither are most students in my class, but I can easily get around the system and get a higher grade. So yes the education system needs to work on two issues, people bypassing the system (though I hope it stays since it's much easier and sometimes the teachers they assign aren't that wonderful at teaching, like my Algebra teacher) AND having a test that fits a persons criteria. I believe they are doing it well now though, the honors system, middle and lower systems in schools are working out pretty good except for some people but most of the time it's because it's a mixed class which sadly happens a lot and it's another issue. Academies also help divide it out to make it more better for where the student wants to be placed in their school. Some schools these days lend out free tutoring and other help in the students academic life, so if other schools do the same it will increase their academic intelligence much higher. Knowing common knowledge is wonderful and all but you do need to have an academic knowledge depending if you're in a capitalist society or any other society. It's true, and even some teachers acknowledge this, so thus they try to help you since it's hard to change the system again to make everyone fit in each class. Everyone is a genius yes, and the education system needs a tweak or two, but some schools need more programs to help kids out with their work instead of shoving material down their throats and expect them to know it forever. 

[Zola 3,038]

Intelligence is only useful if you use it. I've met several idiots who were plenty smart, but too lazy do do anything worth doing with their life.

Edited June 15, 2013 by Zola

[Ghost 1,857]

There was a kid in my school who was so smart, aced everything, that he dropped out. He claimed that the school/ap/honors were to easy for him. I'm not his friend and I can't stand him, he's an ass who thinks he's better than everyone else, but he kind of is in the intelligence sense...

[Xian Cano 78]

I consider myself "Smart" but I'm lazy.. so very lazy... so i get bad grades. but give me a test on pretty much anything, (even most math) and the lowest I'll get is a "B"

[Caity 3,946]

I consider myself average, just surrounded by idiots who do a hell of a lot worse and make me look smart.  

 

Tests are really to provide you with a qualification that proves you covered course content that may be specifically needed for your career.  There's also different ranges of qualifications for people who learn differently, like mainly coursework based ones (there's people I know who would have D's or less without coursework) and mainly exam based one (I have a friend who is amazing at exams, but terrible at coursework) as well as NVQ courses and tech courses.  

[Oishii 3,987]

Lately, I've been questioning the whole education system.  Did you know that before school was made mandatory for all children there wasn't this idea of a "typical preteen" or "typical teenager" that acts out and is so uncontrollable by the parents?  It's because children were at home with the family and actually played an important role there.  In the past century, children are held in institutions for most of their life and I don't think humans are meant to be forcibly institutionalized for such a long time.  But schools have been around so long we don't think to question it.  We don't even think of how outdated it is since it was started in the 1870s.

 

I understand that schools have helped to make literacy universal and give people opportunities, but I think now we can do so much better if we sat and thought about a new way to deliver education.  Because that's what it's about: educating.  It's my understanding that schools aren't really doing much to educate anymore.

 

But I doubt much is going to change.  I'll just sit in my corner and dream of the day when children are educated with video games.

[Black Cat 39]

so true, the final exams/leaving cert system doesnt suit everyone there should be a more fair way to get people certified.

 

Idk I feel like they care more about grades than students ACTUALLY learning. Just my opinion. Scores don't always reflect someone's intelligence.

 

I have to agree with you two, at school and college for me I could not lean anything but I had to self teach my self a lot of things like learning how to read, write and spell plus doing exams dose not show you a lot of things, people can be bad at doing them but when it come to doing it to real life they could be awesome at it.

Edited June 15, 2013 by Black Cat

[EternalReckoning 1,135]

at the teenage stage of our lives its not fair to expect us to realise how important and how much of an effect this will have on our lives, they should replace the system with something more democraticly true that properly defines the person an emplyer might be looking for.

 

I have to agree with you two, at school and college for me I could not lean anything but I had to self teach my self a lot of things like learning how to read, write and spell plus doing exams dose not show you a lot of things, people can be bad at doing them but when it come to doing it to real life they could be awesome at it.

it seems that the educational minds in our society try to make their job applicants look good by making them memorize text books, thats not actual intelligence its just having a fantastic memory or cramming books for 12 years of your life, real talent is found in the practical and mental abilities of a person, a good memory and attention span are what is expected of students atm and these are two things most people in society are lacking, it just isnt fair at all >_<

[TripleNipple 308]

I don't get why a person wanting to become an author has to take a math test to pass high school. 

[keystrike 145]

I don't get why a person wanting to become an author has to take a math test to pass high school.

"Math provides essential critical thinking skills essential for life" is the montra I always here. I believe there is value in most things you learn in school, but if the purpose is simply to get past a test then all was for naught. Also the extent of math for getting through high school should be more or less the minimum for getting through life.

[Ghost 1,857]

Lately, I've been questioning the whole education system.  Did you know that before school was made mandatory for all children there wasn't this idea of a "typical preteen" or "typical teenager" that acts out and is so uncontrollable by the parents?  It's because children were at home with the family and actually played an important role there.  In the past century, children are held in institutions for most of their life and I don't think humans are meant to be forcibly institutionalized for such a long time.  But schools have been around so long we don't think to question it.  We don't even think of how outdated it is since it was started in the 1870s. I understand that schools have helped to make literacy universal and give people opportunities, but I think now we can do so much better if we sat and thought about a new way to deliver education.  Because that's what it's about: educating.  It's my understanding that schools aren't really doing much to educate anymore. But I doubt much is going to change.  I'll just sit in my corner and dream of the day when children are educated with video games.

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[TheApprenticeofKingMickey 3,689]

Yes, hello, this is my life in a nutshell.

 

Grades don't properly reflect a persons common knowledge but grades do however show how well you are doing in the classes that are needs probably in your future professions. The education system does need some work, but at the same time it's very easy to get around the system in order to achieve the grade you desire with minimal effort. I'm not that wonderful at Algebra, neither are most students in my class, but I can easily get around the system and get a higher grade. So yes the education system needs to work on two issues, people bypassing the system (though I hope it stays since it's much easier and sometimes the teachers they assign aren't that wonderful at teaching, like my Algebra teacher) AND having a test that fits a persons criteria. I believe they are doing it well now though, the honors system, middle and lower systems in schools are working out pretty good except for some people but most of the time it's because it's a mixed class which sadly happens a lot and it's another issue. Academies also help divide it out to make it more better for where the student wants to be placed in their school. Some schools these days lend out free tutoring and other help in the students academic life, so if other schools do the same it will increase their academic intelligence much higher. Knowing common knowledge is wonderful and all but you do need to have an academic knowledge depending if you're in a capitalist society or any other society. It's true, and even some teachers acknowledge this, so thus they try to help you since it's hard to change the system again to make everyone fit in each class. Everyone is a genius yes, and the education system needs a tweak or two, but some schools need more programs to help kids out with their work instead of shoving material down their throats and expect them to know it forever. 

 

First off, I agree with some of what you're saying except I'll just add that the grading system is based off an evaluation system for the factories of the industrial revolution. Back then, work ethic was inhumane and forced. And that's not something that should be seen as acceptable or even looked up to.

 

And yes, maybe a few schools need a tweak or two in their programs but you have to keep in mind that a tweak is not a complete change. The certain kind of teaching methods behind these programs and courses are still the same. They are still built to teach one specific kind of intelligence. When we need multiple programs specifically created to be tailored to all kinds of divergent thinking.

 

I don't know if this exists in America, or even in the rest of Canada, but in my province, Alberta, there is a teacher conference that happens once a year for two days. All teachers from Alberta have to attend this conference. My mother, being a teacher, attends this as well. One year, she was at a seminar where this woman had come up with different kinds of teaching methods adhering to the seven different intelligences. One of them, my mother had told, would have been successful in teaching children and teenagers with autism. She even said that had I been taught that way since elementary, I would be extremely successful in school.

 

And I'll correct your 'capitalist society' with 'capitalist democracy'. And you should probably do research on other different types of government 'cause you're definitely missing out on other kinds for your post.

 

Like a socialist democracy which i'll admit with bias is Canada's type of government.

 

Lately, I've been questioning the whole education system.  Did you know that before school was made mandatory for all children there wasn't this idea of a "typical preteen" or "typical teenager" that acts out and is so uncontrollable by the parents?  It's because children were at home with the family and actually played an important role there.  In the past century, children are held in institutions for most of their life and I don't think humans are meant to be forcibly institutionalized for such a long time.  But schools have been around so long we don't think to question it.  We don't even think of how outdated it is since it was started in the 1870s.

 

I understand that schools have helped to make literacy universal and give people opportunities, but I think now we can do so much better if we sat and thought about a new way to deliver education.  Because that's what it's about: educating.  It's my understanding that schools aren't really doing much to educate anymore.

 

But I doubt much is going to change.  I'll just sit in my corner and dream of the day when children are educated with video games.

 

I remember watching this video that explained the reason behind today's institutionalization. You mentioned the year 1870, which was a few decades after the end of the Industrial Revolution and around that time, the economy and the subject of economics was a powerful subject and issue. The question was, "What place do our children have in the future of our economy?" In fact, the idea of public education was created in the Age of Enlightenment but wasn't put into action until years later as we both know. And so they modelled these schools of the work routine of factory workers and the rules of the factories back then. I mentioned a little bit of this above to Shana. The goal was to keep the benefits of industrialization alive. Now that's not needed anymore and the biggest flaw that comes from this idea is that we're teaching children how to survive the future by using data from the past, which hasn't suited most of us well. But you probably already knew that.

 

I don't get why a person wanting to become an author has to take a math test to pass high school. 

 

I have a severe math disability but I still think math is very much needed when it comes to critical life skills. My intelligence may not be compatible when comes to learning math but I know I need it in order to better survive.

[JJForever 75]

Honestly when I was in school I ditched most the time, then when I did actually go, i'd always get high as balls before school and at lunch. So I wouldn't pay attention at all in class. I was much to interested with girls and friends at the time. Yet, when the tests came, I would always ace them, and that's how I managed to pass. Though I eventually decided to drop out, which I admit was stupid, but I then proceeded to get my GED in like a month. When I took the locator tests (To see where I was in terms of what I had learned so far) I got adult proficiency on all subjects, and ended up only having 32 hours of in-facility time going over some things that I recommended I should go over... I was sixteen at the time. I've always had a natural intelligence to me.

[Shana09 5,769]

Yes, hello, this is my life in a nutshell.

 

 

First off, I agree with some of what you're saying except I'll just add that the grading system is based off an evaluation system for the factories of the industrial revolution. Back then, work ethic was inhumane and forced. And that's not something that should be seen as acceptable or even looked up to.

 

And yes, maybe a few schools need a tweak or two in their programs but you have to keep in mind that a tweak is not a complete change. The certain kind of teaching methods behind these programs and courses are still the same. They are still built to teach one specific kind of intelligence. When we need multiple programs specifically created to be tailored to all kinds of divergent thinking.

 

I don't know if this exists in America, or even in the rest of Canada, but in my province, Alberta, there is a teacher conference that happens once a year for two days. All teachers from Alberta have to attend this conference. My mother, being a teacher, attends this as well. One year, she was at a seminar where this woman had come up with different kinds of teaching methods adhering to the seven different intelligences. One of them, my mother had told, would have been successful in teaching children and teenagers with autism. She even said that had I been taught that way since elementary, I would be extremely successful in school.

 

And I'll correct your 'capitalist society' with 'capitalist democracy'. And you should probably do research on other different types of government 'cause you're definitely missing out on other kinds for your post.

 

Like a socialist democracy which i'll admit with bias is Canada's type of government.

 

Yeah it's true, but some of the schools have improved as well to fit modern society. That's why there are some schools who need to go with that improvement while other schools stick to what they improve and evolve on it. Schools establish extracurricular and academies to fit what you want to do in the future and help you with it. It's not acceptable and I had to deal with it in Elementary, until I was fit into a better school with a much more improved education.

 

I know it's not a complete change, that's why it's called a tweak. But it's a lot more difficult the way you're saying "built around specific intelligence" when it's hard to build enough schools and classes for each type of student. So they place them in mixed classes or just toss the entire idea. My English and Algebra teacher understand the problem with education and they talk to us about it because we are an actual mixed class filled with people with different intelligences. So they try to create some after school programs in the meanwhile as they hope for it too change. I'm doing fine on my own now but I'm sure a lot of the other students really need help. Academies start next year for my school, so it will help a lot for it to be suitable to divergent thinkers like you said. 

 

Teacher conferences happen usually every month in each school, but the teachers are only grouped up by their subject areas. Like English teachers with English teachers to talk about how to improve education. The Autism and other learning disabilities need to be better dealt with and helped a lot. So far they are not doing good with that. I mean they make them have fun which is nice and all but the teachings aren't exactly perfect.

 

Yeah I'll admit I'm not that educated in different government branches, and when I do I tend to forget them. Thanks.