Super Smash Bros. 4 for Wii U & 3DS

[Shulk 8,623]

And he will speak English for the first time in that game

My brother and I did double takes when his English voice came in. ._.

[Hero of Winds 2,576]

And he will speak English for the first time in that game

 

 

My brother and I did double takes when his English voice came in. ._.

It's extremely unnatural after years of it not being there.

 

 

Just so everyone knows, I'm buying out every Wave 4 amiibo (except Charizard) and every Toad amiibo. I'll be selling them on ebay $50 a pop, if you'd like to prepay me now, that'd be great.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

It's extremely unnatural after years of it not being there.

 

 

Just so everyone knows, I'm buying out every Wave 4 amiibo (except Charizard) and every Toad amiibo. I'll be selling them on ebay $50 a pop, if you'd like to prepay me now, that'd be great.

Hopefully you aren;t buying multiple copies of the same amiibo like some scalpers do

[Hero of Winds 2,576]

Hopefully you aren;t buying multiple copies of the same amiibo like some scalpers do

Not really, but I may buy two Ness and two Robin amiibos, not for resale purposes.

[Hero of Winds 2,576]

Some Yoshi love

[Kyouma-Blade 90]

Don't know how many of you follow the competitive smash scene, but EVO announced a couple of days ago that both Sm4sh and Melee will be at their event!

 

I personally think that Melee is the better game to spectate, but I fully support both games at the event. Hype!

[Shulk 8,623]

Don't know how many of you follow the competitive smash scene, but EVO announced a couple of days ago that both Sm4sh and Melee will be at their event!

 

I personally think that Melee is the better game to spectate, but I fully support both games at the event. Hype!

I'm personally not that into the competitive side because of all the Melee fanboys who act superior to fans of the other games and treat them like unplayable trash (Not saying anyone on here is like this, but I have seen quite a few people who will refuse to accept any of the good points of any Smash game past Melee), although I did read about that. I'm honestly surprised Smash 4 made it in for reasons I stated earlier, but I'm glad to see it getting recognition with that side of the fanbase. I hope it won't end up as another Brawl to them. I doubt I'll end up watching EVO, but it's still nice to see that the super competitive side of the fanbase is being accepting of a game other than Melee for once (I don't count Project M since that's not only a hack, but essentially makes Brawl an expansion of Melee with new characters and stages).

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Don't know how many of you follow the competitive smash scene, but EVO announced a couple of days ago that both Sm4sh and Melee will be at their event!

 

I personally think that Melee is the better game to spectate, but I fully support both games at the event. Hype!

Glad that Smash 4 is making it

 

And I personally disagree about Melee being better cuz despite the amazing display of skills it becomes boring when you see the exact same top tier characters being spammed over and over again with very few people getting creative with picks like Pichu and stuff

 

I'm tired of seeing nothing but Fox,Falco,Captain Falcon,Pikachu,Marth and Luigi only

[Hero of Winds 2,576]

Speaking of tournaments...whatever happened to the Mario Kart 8 type of online tournaments? Weren't we supposed to get a mode for that online? They've been completely quiet about this stuff ever since they made it a big importance in the 50 Must See Extravaganza.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Speaking of tournaments...whatever happened to the Mario Kart 8 type of online tournaments? Weren't we supposed to get a mode for that online? They've been completely quiet about this stuff ever since they made it a big importance in the 50 Must See Extravaganza.

Yeah they said this mode will arrive with the next update the game will get alongside the Miiverse stage

[Shulk 8,623]

Speaking of tournaments...whatever happened to the Mario Kart 8 type of online tournaments? Weren't we supposed to get a mode for that online? They've been completely quiet about this stuff ever since they made it a big importance in the 50 Must See Extravaganza.

My guess is that the update will be released next month. I was thinking it would be mentioned in the last Direct, but I guess we'll have to keep waiting.

[Kyouma-Blade 90]

Glad that Smash 4 is making it

 

And I personally disagree about Melee being better cuz despite the amazing display of skills it becomes boring when you see the exact same top tier characters being spammed over and over again with very few people getting creative with picks like Pichu and stuff

 

I'm tired of seeing nothing but Fox,Falco,Captain Falcon,Pikachu,Marth and Luigi only 

Sm4sh right now is still developing, which is why you'll see a lot of characters in the mix up right now. Once it develops, you'll start to see players picking the higher tiered characters, because they're just better.

 

Hell, a lot of people can agree Diddy Kong, Sheik, ZZS and Rosaluma are the best right now. Unless we see something that can rock the metagame for Sm4sh, I don't see it changing anytime soon.

 

I actually think that's a lot of viable characters. (You also forgot Peach, Yoshi, Sheik, Jugglypuff, Dr. Mario, and Samus.)

 

The reason you'll find those characters in Melee a lot is because they're objectively better. Pichu isn't even good character. The reason you see people playing him is because they're messing around.

[Hero of Winds 2,576]

Sm4sh right now is still developing, which is why you'll see a lot of characters in the mix up right now. Once it develops, you'll start to see players picking the higher tiered characters, because they're just better.

 

Hell, a lot of people can agree Diddy Kong, Sheik, ZZS and Rosaluma are the best right now. Unless we see something that can rock the metagame for Sm4sh, I don't see it changing anytime soon.

 

I actually think that's a lot of viable characters. (You also forgot Peach, Yoshi, Sheik, Jugglypuff, Dr. Mario, and Samus.)

 

The reason you'll find those characters in Melee a lot is because they're objectively better. Pichu isn't even good character. The reason you see people playing him is because they're messing around.

The problem with tiers is that this right happens. People in tournaments can destroy top tier opponents with someone like Yoshi or Ness as long as there's a show of skill. Characters aren't objectively better than other ones, it takes player skill.

[Kyouma-Blade 90]

The problem with tiers is that this right happens. People in tournaments can destroy top tier opponents with someone like Yoshi or Ness as long as there's a show of skill. Characters aren't objectively better than other ones, it takes player skill.

You're right, but I think you don't understand why tier lists exist.

 

The character gives them the potential to be good. Using a bad character essentially gimps your ability. If you're good enough, you'll be able to beat anyone with any character. But that's humanly impossible. (At least for right now. Mew2King might become a robot.)

 

Characters like Fox and Falco are so high because they give players the ability to have the highest skill ceiling. They have options for almost every character.

 

To put it in sm4sh terms, Diddy Kong is so high right now because he is the one of the only members in the sm4sh cast that has a true, reliable combo. Down Throw to up air. He also has side-b, which is probably the best move on Diddy Kong. It can grab, hit, and recover. If you expect a kick and shield, Diddy can just grab you. If you expect a kick and jump, he can just up air you. He's crazy good right now.

[Hero of Winds 2,576]

To put it in sm4sh terms, Diddy Kong is so high right now because he is the one of the only members in the sm4sh cast that has a true, reliable combo. Down Throw to up air. He also has side-b, which is probably the best move on Diddy Kong. It can grab, hit, and recover. If you expect a kick and shield, Diddy can just grab you. If you expect a kick and jump, he can just up air you. He's crazy good right now.

He's side b is so useless though. You'd have to really stupid to just jump or shield. Almost every character can stop that move with any simple attack to special attack. Do people even think about every possibility?

[Kyouma-Blade 90]

He's side b is so useless though. You'd have to really stupid to just jump or shield. Almost every character can stop that move with any simple attack to special attack. Do people even think about every possibility?

It's far too fast to be able to react to it every time he uses it. Whoever you're playing against clearly isn't using Diddy to his fullest extent, which is another example of characters giving potential only.

 

Here's a person who looks like he knows far more about Diddy Kong's side-b than I do.

 

ShinadoSlash:

 

The air grab part of this move makes it vital for Diddy's mixup and conditioning game. The natural reaction to a Diddy holding a banana is to block a lot. Knowing the opponent will be sitting in shield waiting for the banana toss means you can do a side B instead which not only does decent damage but is also a kill move at higher percents.

The kick portion also plays into this conditioning game. Once you successfully side B grabbed them a few times they will likely start to spot dodge a lot. If they do you simply cancel the side B into the kick portion which has a lot of active frames and can often punish it.

This move is also a good recovery tool. In most situations a Diddy Kong should commit to this if they are forced to recover with a special instead of up B because up B is far more telegraphed and easier to react to (and thus more likely to be interrupted).

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Sm4sh right now is still developing, which is why you'll see a lot of characters in the mix up right now. Once it develops, you'll start to see players picking the higher tiered characters, because they're just better.

 

Hell, a lot of people can agree Diddy Kong, Sheik, ZZS and Rosaluma are the best right now. Unless we see something that can rock the metagame for Sm4sh, I don't see it changing anytime soon.

 

I actually think that's a lot of viable characters. (You also forgot Peach, Yoshi, Sheik, Jugglypuff, Dr. Mario, and Samus.)

 

The reason you'll find those characters in Melee a lot is because they're objectively better. Pichu isn't even good character. The reason you see people playing him is because they're messing around.

I love seeing people winning with low tier characters heck the SF community are doing that all the time

 

Even if it's for messing around I don't mind it as long as the player is competent as they're gonna display someone who isn't the same goddamn character whom I saw 103810382 times already

 

And I disagree,it all depends on skill and a skilled player can make even the worst character  look good

 

I dunno if Melee is god or not but I'm looking for the Smash 4 tournament way more than Melee cuz even with the current top tier I'd rather see Rosalina and Luma over Fox anytime of the day

[Kyouma-Blade 90]

I love seeing people winning with low tier characters heck the SF community are doing that all the time

 

Even if it's for messing around I don't mind it as long as the player is competent as they're gonna display someone who isn't the same goddamn character whom I saw 103810382 times already

 

And I disagree,it all depends on skill and a skilled player can make even the worst character  look good

 

I dunno if Melee is god or not but I'm looking for the Smash 4 tournament way more than Melee cuz even with the current top tier I'd rather see Rosalina and Luma over Fox anytime of the day

I love it too. But anyone with their head screwed on right will ever play Pichu in a tourney. They put money on the line so they can show off their skill and get the big pot. Using such a bad character will limit their skill. No way you can argue that.

 

They may look good, but at the end of the day, it's never practical, and will get bodied by someone who's using a higher tier character with the same amount of skill.

 

You're saying you'd rather see Rosaluma over Fox because you've already seen Fox a lot before. The same thing will happen to Sm4sh. I will get sick of the Diddy Kongs, the Rosalumas and the Zero Suit Samuses. I will, if no one can mix up how they play with the character.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

I love it too. But anyone with their head screwed on right will ever play Pichu in a tourney. They put money on the line so they can show off their skill and get the big pot. Using such a bad character will limit their skill. No way you can argue that.

 

They may look good, but at the end of the day, it's never practical, and will get bodied by someone who's using a higher tier character with the same amount of skill.

 

You're saying you'd rather see Rosaluma over Fox because you've already seen Fox a lot before. The same thing will happen to Sm4sh. I will get sick of the Diddy Kongs, the Rosalumas and the Zero Suit Samuses. I will, if no one can mix up how they play with the character.

I've been seeing Fox for 14 years man compared to the still new characters of Smash 4

 

the only one I got sick of seeing was Little Mac cuz that what people who fought me used the most

 

Don't tell me you got sick of the still new Rosalina but never got sick of the 14 years of Fox onlys and Final Destinations

[Kyouma-Blade 90]

I've been seeing Fox for 14 years man compared to the still new characters of Smash 4

 

the only one I got sick of seeing was Little Mac cuz that what people who fought me used the most

 

Don't tell me you got sick of the still new Rosalina but never got sick of the 14 years of Fox onlys and Final Destinations

Please. You're over-exaggerating and you know that. The Melee scene is not only Fox and Final Destination.

 

I'm already sick of Diddy Kong at the very least, because his gameplay is very bland, but reliable for winning games. I can't fault the players for playing the game to win, because they get money by doing so. I will fault how so little characters get combos though.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Please. You're over-exaggerating and you know that. The Melee scene is not only Fox and Final Destination.

 

I'm already sick of Diddy Kong at the very least, because his gameplay is very bland, but reliable for winning games. I can't fault the players for playing the game to win, because they get money by doing so. I will fault how so little characters get combos though.

Melee Fox isn't that much better 

 

Also no it's not few characters that cab execute combos

[Shulk 8,623]

Please. You're over-exaggerating and you know that. The Melee scene is not only Fox and Final Destination.

 

I'm already sick of Diddy Kong at the very least, because his gameplay is very bland, but reliable for winning games. I can't fault the players for playing the game to win, because they get money by doing so. I will fault how so little characters get combos though.

Like I said before, I don't follow competitive play much, but my friends do. Whenever they play Melee or Project M, it's always the same 4 stages, usually Final Destination. My exposure to competitive play is mostly just Final Destination. There's not much variety when they play, which is why I usually stick to Smash 4 when we all play Smash games. Melee's a good game, but the repetitiveness of every competitive match I've seen has made me stay away from it for a long time.

[Dave 5,715]

All this talk about tiers and who's the most powerful, and I'm just over here growing trees with Villager.

[Shulk 8,623]

All this talk about tiers and who's the most powerful, and I'm just over here growing trees with Villager.

Except most of us are talking about how tiers are stupid and limit choices in the game. I hate tiers because no one actually tries anything new. None of my favorite characters have been considered "high tier" by the Melee fanboys and competitive group, but I still try to learn the best strategies for each one of them and just focus on having fun instead of treating a game in which 4 (or now 8) Nintendo characters all gather and beat the crap out of each other because they feel like it as a super serious thing.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

All this talk about tiers and who's the most powerful, and I'm just over here growing trees with Villager.

I don't usually follow tiers if not at all cuz it means I'm gonna be seeing the same shit over and over again.....I play always as Megaman and he's isn't even in a high tier