So why do they need to save Aqua?

[Dave 5,715]

At the beginning of DDD, Yen Sid made it sound as though the key to defeating Team Xehanort meant that Sora was going to need to go get Aqua if they were going to have any chance of success. Initially, I chalked it up to them needing more keyblades on their side. But, as Lea proved, pretty much anyone with a strong heart can get a keyblade. And, what's more, Yen Sid has the ability to train the in an apparent time-and-space land which makes it easier to to more in less time. So, really, they could get nearly any of the main Disney heroes to go through and earn their stripes, and it would probably be less hassle then having to go bail out Aqua.

 

Not to mention that Aqua doesn't exactly have a great track record of success, so it's not like they're bringing a ton of skills to the table that Sora doesn't already have.

[PublicLibraryx 55]

At the beginning of DDD, Yen Sid made it sound as though the key to defeating Team Xehanort meant that Sora was going to need to go get Aqua if they were going to have any chance of success. Initially, I chalked it up to them needing more keyblades on their side. But, as Lea proved, pretty much anyone with a strong heart can get a keyblade. And, what's more, Yen Sid has the ability to train the in an apparent time-and-space land which makes it easier to to more in less time. So, really, they could get nearly any of the main Disney heroes to go through and earn their stripes, and it would probably be less hassle then having to go bail out Aqua.

 

Not to mention that Aqua doesn't exactly have a great track record of success, so it's not like they're bringing a ton of skills to the table that Sora doesn't already have.

Because it's inhumane to just leave her there.

[Oishii 3,987]

Because we can't get Ven-Ven back without Aqua! And does this series really need more characters?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Well I think it's because Yen Sid knows that she's one of the people suffering from MX and needs and deserves to be saved . Without her we also cannot save Ven .Like when Mickey was saying that he had thought that at least all 3 of his friends sacrifices weren't in vain .They might not NEED her per se , but it's the right thing to do at the very least . Kinda like the saying 'we leave nobody left behind'.It's the moral thing to do .

Edited June 4, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[WakelessDream 2,282]

So are you saying they don't need to save Aqua because it's too much of a hassle? Idk that would be pretty messed up knowing she's been trapped in the RoD for all those years and then being like "nah we're not gonna save her."

 

But anyways isn't she needed to find Ven in Castle Oblivion? 

[RikuFangirl2008 1,368]

Because shes one of the Seven Lights? And she is a Keyblade Master. 

[Firaga 5,947]

Aqua is the only one that can access the room where Ventus's body is in Castle Oblvion. No Aqua, no Ventus, and we can't afford EITHER of them to just stay in limbo, because after all, it's Sora's destiny to save all those who are connected to his heart.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

At the beginning of DDD, Yen Sid made it sound as though the key to defeating Team Xehanort meant that Sora was going to need to go get Aqua if they were going to have any chance of success. Initially, I chalked it up to them needing more keyblades on their side. But, as Lea proved, pretty much anyone with a strong heart can get a keyblade. And, what's more, Yen Sid has the ability to train the in an apparent time-and-space land which makes it easier to to more in less time. So, really, they could get nearly any of the main Disney heroes to go through and earn their stripes, and it would probably be less hassle then having to go bail out Aqua.

 

Not to mention that Aqua doesn't exactly have a great track record of success, so it's not like they're bringing a ton of skills to the table that Sora doesn't already have.

Because they need Ven and she's the only one who can find him. Even with Lea using the Keyblade and Kairi training, that's still only 5 active Keyblade wielders to 13 as Xehanort completely posses any of his Vessels, allowing them to use one. And just training will not make your heart strong enough. "Strengh of Heart" has many factors confidence and conviction being two and those cannot be gained by any amount of physical training. Also, they don't need just any Keyblade wielders, they need the 7 Guardians of Light we don't know exactly how the GoL are chosen, so it's possible that just being a wielder isn't enough.

[Isaix 924]

Well Aqua is strong,she's a Keyblade Master and she defeated Terranort in BBS and I don't think Goofy with a Keyblade is enough to defeat the 13 Xehanort,they need people with skills and she's(or Ventus) probably the one who'll save Terra in KH3 since they are old friends and all.

[FightTheDarkness 85]

I feel Aqua has proven herself enough to deserve to fight in the final battle. She gave up everything for Terra, she deserves to see the man who ruined him stopped.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Because they need Ven and she's the only one who can find him. Even with Lea using the Keyblade and Kairi training, that's still only 5 active Keyblade wielders to 13 as Xehanort completely posses any of his Vessels, allowing them to use one. And just training will not make your heart strong enough. "Strengh of Heart" has many factors confidence and conviction being two and those cannot be gained by any amount of physical training. Also, they don't need just any Keyblade wielders, they need the 7 Guardians of Light we don't know exactly how the GoL are chosen, so it's possible that just being a wielder isn't enough.

 

Well tbf, the 7 lights aren't confirmed but I do agree she's one of them. Secondly Mx stated that if any of the lights were to be indisposed, the light would just choose another in its place which is what I think Dave is getting at ..It's also very true that besides having a strong heart the keyblade also has to judge you worthy and pick you .It's not guarenteed.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Well tbf, the 7 lights aren't confirmed but I do agree she's one of them. Secondly Mx stated that if any of the lights were to be indisposed, the light would just choose another in its place which is what I think Dave is getting at ..It's also very true that besides having a strong heart the keyblade also has to judge you worthy and pick you .It's not guarenteed.

I know it's not confirmed but the more wielders there are the better the chances of them having the GoL. So it's still to their benefit to save her. I mean, even if there were only 7 wielders in the world, there's no Guarantee that all of them would be GoL, So having a many as possible increases their chances. Like, you could be worthy enough to wield a Keyblade, but not worthy enough to be a GoL. See what I mean?

Edited June 4, 2013 by Isamu_Kuno

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I know it's not confirmed but the more wielders there are the better the chances of them having the GoL. So it's still to there benefit to save her. I mean, even if there were only 7 wielders in the world, there's no Guarantee that all of them would be GoL, So having a many as possible increases their chances. See what I mean?

 

Yes I see your point .My first post on this thread also says that I also agree she deserves to be saved .

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Yes I see your point .My first post on this thread also says that I also agree she deserves to be saved .

That too. All of them do. I'm still wondering if Roxas, Xion an Namine will return and if Namine will have a Keyblade. Roxas does so why not. With the ones they have now as well as the Fallen and the Forgotten that would be 11, 7 GoL and 4 wielders add in Donald and Goofy as helpers (not wielders) and that 13 good guys vs 13 bad guys.

 

Unfortunately the only Forgotten I see having a chance at a separate existence is Roxas because of what Sora said to him and him being the reason Lea wanted to become a wielder. His "hurt" was not getting to live his own life. Xion's was being forgotten and Namine's was not getting her "Thank you" from Sora, both of which can be mended without them having to come back. I really want them to though, just for the 13 on 13 showdown.

Edited June 4, 2013 by Isamu_Kuno

[Reyn 1,755]

At the beginning of DDD, Yen Sid made it sound as though the key to defeating Team Xehanort meant that Sora was going to need to go get Aqua if they were going to have any chance of success. Initially, I chalked it up to them needing more keyblades on their side. But, as Lea proved, pretty much anyone with a strong heart can get a keyblade. And, what's more, Yen Sid has the ability to train the in an apparent time-and-space land which makes it easier to to more in less time. So, really, they could get nearly any of the main Disney heroes to go through and earn their stripes, and it would probably be less hassle then having to go bail out Aqua.

 

Not to mention that Aqua doesn't exactly have a great track record of success, so it's not like they're bringing a ton of skills to the table that Sora doesn't already have.

Well, think of it this way. If it wasn't for the BBS Trio, none of the current trio of Keyblade wielders(Sora, Riku and Kairi) could use keyblades. (The keyblade wouldn't have chosen Sora after Riku succumbed to darkness if Ven wasn't in his heart, but after Hollow Bastion, Sora has his own keyblade and no longer needs Ven's). So basically, without the BBS Trio allowing them to gain the keyblades Xehanort really would have destroyed the worlds by now to find Kingdom Hearts. They may have caused this(Except Ven, who actually didn't contribute to helping Xehanort indirectly and actually stalled his plans for a time) but if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have Sora, Riku and Kairi either, and Xehanort probably would have found other people to make him his own vessel and forge the X-blade anyway.

 

Besides, its inhumane of them to just leave Aqua, and to a greater extent, Ven, trapped in their situations forever. Its not right. Besides, the more keyblade wielders they have, the better of a chance they have of defeating Xehanort and having all 7 lights to combat them. For all we know, Ven and Aqua are part of the 7 lights(Im convinced Ven is, since Vanitas is gone, and now he has no darkness in him) and without them, they will be missing 2 people to defeat the XIII darknesses, stacking the odds in Xehanort's favor.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

That too. All of them do. I'm still wondering if Roxas, Xion an Namine will return and Namine will have a Keyblade. (Roxas does so why not) with the ones they have as well as the Fallen and the Forgotten that would be 11 & GoL and 4 wielders add in Donald and Goofy as helpers (not wielders) and that 13 good guy vs 13 bad guys.

 

Unfortunately the only Forgotten I see having a chance at a a separate existence is Roxas because of what Sora said to him ans him being the reason Lea wanted to become a wielder. His "hurt" was not getting to live his own life, Xion's was being forgotten and Namine was not getting her "thank you" from Sora. Both of which can be mended without them having to come back. I really want them to though, just for the 13 on 13 showdown.

 

 

I think they have a very good chance of bringing all of them back since the data AtW hid in Sora was to help bring back fallen comrades and right some of his wrongs.. Also since we do know Xion and Namine also grew hearts too it opens the door for their return .Given it's not a sure thing , but the possibility is greatly implied through that data

[Rob 5,571]

Who gun save Ven?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Well, think of it this way. If it wasn't for the BBS Trio, none of the current trio of Keyblade wielders(Sora, Riku and Kairi) could use keyblades. (The keyblade wouldn't have chosen Sora after Riku succumbed to darkness if Ven wasn't in his heart, but after Hollow Bastion, Sora has his own keyblade and no longer needs Ven's). So basically, without the BBS Trio allowing them to gain the keyblades Xehanort really would have destroyed the worlds by now to find Kingdom Hearts. They may have caused this(Except Ven, who actually didn't contribute to helping Xehanort indirectly and actually stalled his plans for a time) but if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have Sora, Riku and Kairi either, and Xehanort probably would have found other people to make him his own vessel and forge the X-blade anyway.

 

Besides, its inhumane of them to just leave Aqua, and to a greater extent, Ven, trapped in their situations forever. Its not right. Besides, the more keyblade wielders they have, the better of a chance they have of defeating Xehanort and having all 7 lights to combat them. For all we know, Ven and Aqua are part of the 7 lights(Im convinced Ven is, since Vanitas is gone, and now he has no darkness in him) and without them, they will be missing 2 people to defeat the XIII darknesses, stacking the odds in Xehanort's favor.

 

 

Nomura already confirmed that Sora was always destined to wield even without Ven and that all Ven gives Sora is the ability to dual wield . He wasn't using Ven's till after Sora and Roxas were reunited and Ven's was the second not the original keyblade Sora used.( Xions death awakening the ability to use Ven's keyblade )

[Reyn 1,755]

Nomura already confirmed that Sora was always destined to wield even without Ven and that all Ven gives Sora is the ability to dual wield . He wasn't using Ven's till after Sora and Roxas were reunited and Ven's was the second not the original keyblade Sora used.( Xions death awakening the ability to use Ven's keyblade )

Oh, ok then. Well, still, if it wasnt for the BBS Trio, Riku and Kairi wouldn't have their keyblades, and then what would happen? It'd be all up to Sora alone.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Oh, ok then. Well, still, if it wasnt for the BBS Trio, Riku and Kairi wouldn't have their keyblades, and then what would happen? It'd be all up to Sora alone.

 

Well i'm sure Ven's heart prolly still sped up the process per se

[Dracozombie 4,554]

1) It'd be sad if she didn't.

 

2) KH isn't a game that will leave someone with good intentions to rot, regardless of what those intentions wound up accomplishing.

 

3) Sora isn't a guy who will leave anyone with good intentions to rot, regardless of what those intentions wound up accomplishing.

 

4) Strength of heart is only a basic requisite for being able to wield a keyblade.  Nomura said there are other factors involved that haven't been disclosed.

 

5) More manpower=better chances.  She didn't succeed in the long run, but she's a powerful ally to have.

 

6) TAV have first-hand experience with what Master Xehanort is capable of (not any of his incarnations, the original).  Knowing exactly what you're dealing with gives you an edge.  Mickey can't pull their entire weight in that respect.

 

7) I assume there are some limitations to that time-space trick making it so that Yen Sid can't stick everyone in there and over-prepare them for the fight.

[Reyn 1,755]

1) It'd be sad if she didn't.

 

2) KH isn't a game that will leave someone with good intentions to rot, regardless of what those intentions wound up accomplishing.

 

3) Sora isn't a guy who will leave anyone with good intentions to rot, regardless of what those intentions wound up accomplishing.

 

4) Strength of heart is only a basic requisite for being able to wield a keyblade.  Nomura said there are other factors involved that haven't been disclosed.

 

5) More manpower=better chances.  She didn't succeed in the long run, but she's a powerful ally to have.

 

6) TAV have first-hand experience with what Master Xehanort is capable of (not any of his incarnations, the original).  Knowing exactly what you're dealing with gives you an edge.  Mickey can't pull their entire weight in that respect.

 

7) I assume there are some limitations to that time-space trick making it so that Yen Sid can't stick everyone in there and over-prepare them for the fight.

This^

[Reyn 1,755]

That too. All of them do. I'm still wondering if Roxas, Xion an Namine will return and if Namine will have a Keyblade. Roxas does so why not. With the ones they have now as well as the Fallen and the Forgotten that would be 11, 7 GoL and 4 wielders add in Donald and Goofy as helpers (not wielders) and that 13 good guys vs 13 bad guys.

 

Unfortunately the only Forgotten I see having a chance at a separate existence is Roxas because of what Sora said to him and him being the reason Lea wanted to become a wielder. His "hurt" was not getting to live his own life. Xion's was being forgotten and Namine's was not getting her "Thank you" from Sora, both of which can be mended without them having to come back. I really want them to though, just for the 13 on 13 showdown.

If you really want a 13 on 13 showdown, just wait. The cast of FF XIII will help fight the XIII darknesses, and then you'll get you're 13 on 13 showdown.

[Weiss 8,279]

Give everyone a keyblade it is the only solution

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Well, think of it this way. If it wasn't for the BBS Trio, none of the current trio of Keyblade wielders(Sora, Riku and Kairi) could use keyblades. (The keyblade wouldn't have chosen Sora after Riku succumbed to darkness if Ven wasn't in his heart, but after Hollow Bastion, Sora has his own keyblade and no longer needs Ven's). So basically, without the BBS Trio allowing them to gain the keyblades Xehanort really would have destroyed the worlds by now to find Kingdom Hearts. They may have caused this(Except Ven, who actually didn't contribute to helping Xehanort indirectly and actually stalled his plans for a time) but if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have Sora, Riku and Kairi either, and Xehanort probably would have found other people to make him his own vessel and forge the X-blade anyway.

 

Besides, its inhumane of them to just leave Aqua, and to a greater extent, Ven, trapped in their situations forever. Its not right. Besides, the more keyblade wielders they have, the better of a chance they have of defeating Xehanort and having all 7 lights to combat them. For all we know, Ven and Aqua are part of the 7 lights(Im convinced Ven is, since Vanitas is gone, and now he has no darkness in him) and without them, they will be missing 2 people to defeat the XIII darknesses, stacking the odds in Xehanort's favor.

I don't think Vanitas is gone exactly. Vanitas is Ven's Darkness and Darkness cannot be destroyed. I think he just no longer has a physical form after losing to Ven (similar to Roxas and Namine still existing as part of Sora and Kairi) and that he still exists as Ven's Darkness. That would mean that Ven does have darkness in his heart. Vanitas may even still have his own consciousness within Ven's heart (which may be why Sora saw him in Le Cite des Cloches) He may even be awakening within Ven's heart even as Ven awakens in Sora.