If teaching Religion isnt allowed in puplic schools then why are....

[axele 151]

Evolutionary theory is based on scientific evidence, not bias. 

 

This just.... makes my day. Lol so hard.

 

Edited May 24, 2013 by axele

[Dracozombie 4,554]

This just.... makes my day. Lol so hard.

 

 

I'm afraid I don't understand the lolworthiness to the statement you quoted, and I doubt I'm alone here.  Care to elaborate?

[OthersiderME 614]

I'm afraid I don't understand the lolworthiness to the statement you quoted, and I doubt I'm alone here.  Care to elaborate?

It's the difference between what you think of as fact and what science thinks of as fact, i believe.  At this moment in time, many scientists believe evolution is the way the world works.  However, this doesn't mean that this is always going to be how many people think.  It merely means that our current data has not disproven this yet.

[Shard the Gentleman 2,891]

Evolution IS fact, but not the way that everyone thinks. We didn't come from monkeys. That's just a bunch of Bologna. The REAL evolution is over time, birds grow longer beaks in order to reach other foods, and such.

[OthersiderME 614]

Evolution IS fact, but not the way that everyone thinks. We didn't come from monkeys. That's just a bunch of Bologna. The REAL evolution is over time, birds grow longer beaks in order to reach other foods, and such.

well, at the very least, we don't come from monkeys in the way that we think of monkeys.  there may be a common ancestor, but it's not the same thing, really.

[Hardrada 117]

It's the difference between what you think of as fact and what science thinks of as fact, i believe. At this moment in time, many scientists believe evolution is the way the world works. However, this doesn't mean that this is always going to be how many people think. It merely means that our current data has not disproven this yet.

What people think of the theory doesn't change it. The evidence speaks for itself regardless of what people think. That's why scintific experiments aren't bias. Right now there is no alternative to evolution, and there's really no reason to think it will be disproven.Most of the people who argue for creationism spend their time trying to disprove evolution (very poorly), but they can never come up with any convincing arguments as to why the earth was made as it was 6000 years ago by a supernatural father figure.

[Geralt 4,874]

They still teach religion around here...though I swear it was made against the rules here as well. I do know that some schools/districts in some places strictly prohibit evolutionary teachings. 

[OthersiderME 614]

What people think of the theory doesn't change it. The evidence speaks for itself regardless of what people think. That's why scintific experiments aren't bias. Right now there is no alternative to evolution, and there's really no reason to think it will be disproven.Most of the people who argue for creationism spend their time trying to disprove evolution (very poorly), but they can never come up with any convincing arguments as to why the earth was made as it was 6000 years ago by a supernatural father figure.

i'm not saying what people think of a theory changes it, i'm saying that the definition of "scientific fact" is a little more flexible than what it seems is being said here.

[Amon 4,279]

Just remember...

 

 

No matter what your belief is, it's no more illogical and stupid than somebody else's. 

 

Because we silly hairless monkeys running around on a tiny planet in the middle of nowhere TOTALLY know everything about the universe. 

 

So basically, play nice and respect other people's beliefs. 

 

Also people, if you are going to have a scientific debate, and use the terms "Fact" and Theory" please keep to the scientific definitions of the words.

 

Fact: http://batesvilleinschools.com/physics/PhyNet/AboutScience/Fact.html

 

Theory: http://batesvilleinschools.com/physics/PhyNet/AboutScience/Theory.html

 

Other definitions of words you all love using incorrectly: http://batesvilleinschools.com/physics/PhyNet/AboutScience/ObjCh1AboutSci.html

Edited May 25, 2013 by Amon

[Hardrada 117]

Just remember...

 

 

No matter what your belief is, it's no more illogical and stupid than somebody else's.

 

Because we silly hairless monkeys running around on a tiny planet in the middle of nowhere TOTALLY know everything about the universe.

 

So basically, play nice and respect other people's beliefs.

 

Also people, if you are going to have a scientific debate, and use the terms "Fact" and Theory" please keep to the scientific definitions of the words.

 

Fact: http://batesvilleinschools.com/physics/PhyNet/AboutScience/Fact.html

 

Theory: http://batesvilleinschools.com/physics/PhyNet/AboutScience/Theory.html

 

Other definitions of words you all love using incorrectly: http://batesvilleinschools.com/physics/PhyNet/AboutScience/ObjCh1AboutSci.html

Are you you saying that life evolving on earth is on the same level logically as an omnipotent being making it in 6 days?

[JJForever 75]

Evolution has been pretty much proven. It is not a belief system or a theory anymore, it is fact. You can accept that or not but it won't change the fact that it's true. Besides, why should schools teach religious beliefs when churches, synagogs, mosks and other such places of worship already do?

There are many flaws within the theory of eveloution.

[SoraKH 793]

I'm taught religion at school.

 

But something alway occurs and we dont do lesson ;p

[Eterna 274]

Some schools do teach creationism.

 

Those are bad schools. If they're public of course. 

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Those are bad schools. If they're public of course. 

 

Nope they just teach it among other 'possibilities' in how the universe was created . They teach all options possible. It's not forced or anything .

[Eterna 274]

Nope they just teach it among other 'possibilities' in how the universe was created . They teach all options possible. It's not forced or anything .

 

That's fine then, I was just hoping you didn't mean something like this:

 

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

That's fine then, I was just hoping you didn't mean something like this:

 

 

No no just that it's all included in the 'theories' like other things like the big bang theory and etc etc

[Henne 150]

That's fine then, I was just hoping you didn't mean something like this:

 

 

Please tell me that that is not real.

 

I'm glad that they never allowed tests etc in religious education. But I wonder what they would've looked like.

 

However, there is one thing (at least) that I wanted to ask:

What is the religious education in other countries like?

 

 

Where I live you don't have to take part in it. In most cases you could visit Christian (catholics and protestants) and Buddhism (rather you could).

IIRC, we sang, talked about God (duh!) and... that was pretty much it.

Edited June 12, 2013 by Henne

[legendkiller222 22]

Religion cannot be taught in public schools due to not setting up a favorite because that goes against the 1st amendment. However, if all are taught then it becomes a religion class to study as means of studying a type of people. The theory of Evolution is very solid and it is nowhere near being disproved. Religion isn't wrong, but the theory of the world's creation according to religion is false. I am not talking about a God creating Earth, but as in the Earth being created 2000 years ago and such. The specifics more than the actual idea.

[Rizzyy 736]

we required to learn belifs such as that we come from monkeys or or the big bang theory and such. our schools are fun on a belief system.if ''evelotion'' is requried to teach why cant the schools allow reilgion as well?

because if they taught religion they would know I'd get "Said Most Molestation Jokes" in the yearbook then everyone in my school would do it, then my state, then our country, and then THE WORLD! (yea idk where i was going with this)

[Pretium 234]

Science isn't a belief. So you're not really "ramming their beliefs" on people

Evolution Is.

Religion cannot be taught in public schools due to not setting up a favorite because that goes against the 1st amendment. However, if all are taught then it becomes a religion class to study as means of studying a type of people. The theory of Evolution is very solid and it is nowhere near being disproved. Religion isn't wrong, but the theory of the world's creation according to religion is false. I am not talking about a God creating Earth, but as in the Earth being created 2000 years ago and such. The specifics more than the actual idea.

Creationism Teaches That The Earth Is Closer To 6 To 10,000 Years Old. Edited June 28, 2013 by Pretium

[legendkiller222 22]

Evolution Is.Creationism Teaches That The Earth Is Closer To 6 To 10,000 Years Old.

 

That is still closer to 2000 than the actually accurate millions of years. The plain fact is that creationism is based on religion which cannot be taught in schools that are public schools due to the separation of church and state to avoid playing favorites in religion. Remember not all religions believe in the creation of the Earth exactly the same. Also, there is no actual proof that points to creationism being a valid theory. The only thing is our own ignorance to the universe. The theory of evolution is not something that is a shaky theory. It has many instances that point to it being valid. 

[Pretium 234]

That is still closer to 2000 than the actually accurate millions of years. The plain fact is that creationism is based on religion which cannot be taught in schools that are public schools due to the separation of church and state to avoid playing favorites in religion. Remember not all religions believe in the creation of the Earth exactly the same. Also, there is no actual proof that points to creationism being a valid theory. The only thing is our own ignorance to the universe. The theory of evolution is not something that is a shaky theory. It has many instances that point to it being valid.

Fair Enough, I'll Refine It Just Christian Creationism That Teaches That Age. And Evolution Has Plenty Of Instances Pointing To It Being Invalid. I Am In No Way Ignorant To The Universe. I Admire It, It Intrigues Me. And Christianity Used To Be Taught In Public Schools. Now All The Public Schools Are Government Schools. And Despite What Is Taught, Freedom Of Religion Did Not Include All Religions. It Was Meant Just For Christianity. That In No Means All The Founding Fathers Were Christians Though. Edited June 30, 2013 by Pretium

[legendkiller222 22]

Fair Enough, I'll Refine It Just Christian Creationism That Teaches That Age. And Evolution Has Plenty Of Instances Pointing To It Being Invalid. I Am In No Way Ignorant To The Universe. I Admire It, It Intrigues Me. And Christianity Used To Be Taught In Public Schools. Now All The Public Schools Are Government Schools. And Despite What Is Taught, Freedom Of Religion Did Not Include All Religions. It Was Meant Just For Christianity. That In No Means All The Founding Fathers Were Christians Though.

 

I don't mean that you are personally ignorant I meant as a whole, humankind is and there is no doubt this is true. We know very little about the universe.

 

Also, please give me a detailed explanation that is supported by facts that point to evolution being invalid as a scientific theory. Freedom of religion meant, freedom of religion, but of course you can argue it wasn't meant to include every religion, but then again certain people weren't meant to be free either. However, as time passes rights are expanded. Religious freedom was sought after in America from it's brith, and as the makeup of America changed more and more religions became protected and accepted. The state of America is way different than in the late 1700s and therefore the policies should of course reflect that. The government is suppose to protect all religious rights and not specify a true religion as the country's religion, even if one religion is more followed than others. Religion can be studied as a culture and analysis of people, but not as a belief in creation due to that because there are hundreds of religions. In fact what makes a monotheistic God more valid than any polytheistic religion  such as Greek mythology.

 

The real issue is the actual legitimacy of creationism. There is little to no evidence of it being true that is not faith based. The reason why evolution is taught is because it has actual facts that can be proven. If we ignore this requirement we are digressing academically because then any claim becomes valid regardless of how much truth there is to it. The bible claims the Earth is the center of the universe and the world is flat, but both are wrong. We should not look to religion as a science. There is no problem with believing there is a God and that God created us, but it does not belong in the classroom as a theory until it has enough evidence that is factually correct.

[Pretium 234]

I don't mean that you are personally ignorant I meant as a whole, humankind is and there is no doubt this is true. We know very little about the universe.Also, please give me a detailed explanation that is supported by facts that point to evolution being invalid as a scientific theory. Freedom of religion meant, freedom of religion, but of course you can argue it wasn't meant to include every religion, but then again certain people weren't meant to be free either. However, as time passes rights are expanded. Religious freedom was sought after in America from it's brith, and as the makeup of America changed more and more religions became protected and accepted. The state of America is way different than in the late 1700s and therefore the policies should of course reflect that. The government is suppose to protect all religious rights and not specify a true religion as the country's religion, even if one religion is more followed than others. Religion can be studied as a culture and analysis of people, but not as a belief in creation due to that because there are hundreds of religions. In fact what makes a monotheistic God more valid than any polytheistic religion such as Greek mythology.The real issue is the actual legitimacy of creationism. There is little to no evidence of it being true that is not faith based. The reason why evolution is taught is because it has actual facts that can be proven. If we ignore this requirement we are digressing academically because then any claim becomes valid regardless of how much truth there is to it. The bible claims the Earth is the center of the universe and the world is flat, but both are wrong. We should not look to religion as a science. There is no problem with believing there is a God and that God created us, but it does not belong in the classroom as a theory until it has enough evidence that is factually correct.

Obviously I'm not going to go into huge detail in an internet discussion. I've seen countless of these that end nowhere. The arguments never stop, and neither side ever wavers. On the subject of country religion, it can very well be said that the U.S. is "supposed" to be a Christian nation. Seeing as how it was founded on Biblical principles from the Christian Bible. Basically all of the founders acknowledged the Christian God in some way. However, like you said, the government has harbored more and more religions now. And protects them with great zeal. It was never intended to do this, however. And on the earth's shape, the Christian Bible commonly uses the term "circle." In geometry a circle is a flat object. But the thing is, the old Hebrew language may not have had a word for sphere. So, the debate on what to interprete the Bible's use of the word circle is open. It doesn't actually say the earth is the center of the universe. It's actually rather quiet in that matter. When it talks about the sun setting, and rising. It is just from the prespective on earth. It doesn't say the sun and moon orbit the earth. Well, this was a good discussion. Let's leave it at that. It's always invigorating to exchange views with someone. But no matter how much we do, it never amounts to much. We will both walk away with the same beliefs. I guess that's just the fate of the internet. So, It's Best We Just Agree To Disagree.. *Holds out digital hand