If teaching Religion isnt allowed in puplic schools then why are....

[Hardrada 117]

Unlike what I've seen many post in this thread, calling evolution a fact is scientifically misleading. Technically it is still called a theory.

[Shulk 8,623]

Because some people who aren't religious become offended when people mention religion, but it's perfectly fine to belittle religious beliefs (Sarcasm). Seriously though, I'm religious, and I always wondered why anti-religious people tell people to keep religion out if things and get pissed off by that, but then turn around and straight out insult religions. I'm not saying all people are like that, but the ones that are bug me.

[griann 59]

I got to chose between protestant, catholic and ethics. Between grade 7 and 10 many of the students of the protestant classes decided to switch to ethics though.

[Jim 2,990]

Being Christian myself, I can see where you're coming from.

 

HOWEVER, I can agree with the people saying that nobody's forcing you to believe it. Like, I believe that evolution happens, but since I believe in a young earth, I don't think evolution serves as an explanation of our origins in any way. But that's just my opinion, so the way I see it, there is still a good reason to be tought how evolution works, even if all it is to me is an explanation of a part of life.

 

Now even if you don't believe it to be true at all, it's still important to have an understanding of it, so that you can make an informed decision of what you believe. Like, if I didn't believe it happens, then I should at least know what it is and how they claim it works, so that I know WHAT it is that I'm saying I don't believe happens. That way, you're not just being like "I don't believe this, but I have no real clue what it is." That would be ignorant.

 

I know this isn't *completely* related to OP, but I thought I'd put it out there.

[RoxSox 3,593]

Because scientific approaches are neutral, and teaching religion isn't neutral at all.

 

This. Exactly this. Evolution, the Big Bang... they're scientific theory, no different from gravity or what have you. But religion is much more complicated than that, it's not neutral, and it just can't be "taught". You can't impose religious principle into education.

Edited May 17, 2013 by RoxSoxKH

[Ghost 1,857]

If someone doesn't like that, then go to a school specific to their religion?

[axele 151]

Evolution has been pretty much proven. It is not a belief system or a theory anymore, it is fact. You can accept that or not but it won't change the fact that it's true. Besides, why should schools teach religious beliefs when churches, synagogs, mosks and other such places of worship already do?

 

Oh wow. This is depressing how much people believe that Evolution is fact and proven. 

 

And yes Evolution IS pushing beliefs and your views on others because it IS a belief and a theory, it IS pushing YOUR opinion on to others. Stop with the " It's Neutral " because it's not. 

 

I'm not a anti-science person, because we need science but Evolution is a theory and belief brought on by a man by Darwin who was btw believed to be crazy, not everybody believes that Evolution is fact, if you believe that Evolution is fact then that's cool but schools DO push it on YOU.

 

I'm so sick of this "We can't teach Religion, but we can teach the idea that we came from apes "  Yes some schools do teach religion and have Religious studies classes, but most schools if not all school push Darwin's theories down everybody's throats.

 

I did a class on Social Working last year and what was my first lesson ? You bet it, it was Evolution. What it had to learn to help others in need I had no idea, but it was pushed down my throat and it was annoying; because I came to the school to learn on how to help others in need, not learn Evolution.

 

And btw I love Science my dream was to be a Science Teacher at school but that was ruined when I realized that I had to be forced by the school system to teach kids Evolution. Evolution is one of the most FORCED things taught in schools. One of my friends was even forced to do a essay on why Evolution is fact or she would fail at College. That sounds like brainwashing to me.

Edited May 22, 2013 by axele

[Hardrada 117]

Oh wow. This is depressing how much people believe that Evolution is fact and proven. And yes Evolution IS pushing beliefs and your views on others because it IS a belief and a theory, it IS pushing YOUR opinion on to others. Stop with the " It's Neutral " because it's not. I'm not a anti-science person, because we need science but Evolution is a theory and belief brought on by a man by Darwin who was btw believed to be crazy, not everybody believes that Evolution is fact, if you believe that Evolution is fact then that's cool but schools DO push it on YOU.I'm so sick of this "We can't teach Religion, but we can teach the idea that we came from apes " Yes some schools do teach religion and have Religious studies classes, but most schools if not all school push Darwin's theories down everybody's throats.I did a class on Social Working last year and what was my first lesson ? You bet it, it was Evolution. What it had to learn to help others in need I had no idea, but it was pushed down my throat and it was annoying; because I came to the school to learn on how to help others in need, not learn Evolution.And btw I love Science my dream was to be a Science Teacher at school but that was ruined when I realized that I had to be forced by the school system to teach kids Evolution. Evolution is one of the most FORCED things taught in schools. One of my friends was even forced to do a essay on why Evolution is fact or she would fail at College. That sounds like brainwashing to me.

You probably thought that gravitational theory was pushed down your throat too, huh?

[axele 151]

You probably thought that gravitational theory was pushed down your throat too, huh?

 

Very funny.

 

You Darwin believers do realize that you're worshipping a crazy, heartless sadistic man right ? At a young age he killed and injured a puppy. That is disgusting. But go ahead if you want to follow a man that would in these days be taken to a Asylum. 

 

Believe in it, but don't push it down my throat thnks. c;

Edited May 22, 2013 by axele

[Hardrada 117]

Very funny.You Darwin believers do realize that you're worshipping a crazy, heartless sadistic man right ? At a young age he killed and injured a puppy. That is disgusting. But go ahead if you want to follow a man that would in these days be taken to a Asylum. Believe in it, but don't push it down my throat thnks. c;

What is your source for that story?

[Sora2 84]

  Life sucks and then you die

[Ghost 1,857]

Dude, we all have our different views, which makes each and every one of us so interesting!

 

Religion isn't taught in public schools because of conflict. If you're Christian, not EVERYONE is Christian. If you're Jewish, not EVERYONE is Jewish. To me, teaching religion in public schools is just stupid, and will cause more fights between students. What would you rather, a school-centric crusade? Thanks but I'll pass.

 

Think about it. Over years, religion has caused so many conflicts and deaths. How many have theories of evolution caused? Exactly. If a school as ghetto as mine that already has weekly fights were teaching religion, then that just means a lot of the delinquents would have just another reason to get into fights with another guy. Plus, not everybody is religious. If religion were manditoraly taught in my school then I would SKIP those classes. Let people sign up for something they're interested in, ey?

 

I'm not religious, but I signed up for a World Religions class this year (hopefully I get put into it). Notice how it's World religions and not just pertaining to a single belief. It's interesting to learn about, but I'd never want to practice any of them.

 

If you wanna meet with people of your own religion then either go to a private school for that religion, or a dating site like Christianmingle.com

 

#swag

 

P.S. (note, this is just a joke) Art before the rise of Christianity was SO much better. I mean, look at all the art the Romans produced! Breathtaking. Then you have the Christian art with elongated faces and waaaaay too defined noses... Haha. My uncle is religious, and I can't stand organized religion. Yet we still love eachother and joke about the two at times! He had a custom chapel built in his backyard, and I have necklaces of upside down crosses. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME BELIEFS IN ORDER TO LOVE SOMEONE.

[Dracozombie 4,554]

If schools cater to religion, they'd have to teach all religions in order to be fair, and it's just not gonna be possible to hold all that curriculum.  Save school for the facts.  Science is neutral because, for better and for worse, it's meant to be independent from a moral system and a lifestyle (unless that lifestyle is "scientist"). Evolution may not be a proven fact, but the definition of a theory is "a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena."  Science and scientific theory arent perfect, but they don't need to be to be valid teaching curriculum.  School teaches what we currently consider facts--religion teaches you how to act.

 

And even if that tidbit about Darwin is true, it doesn't undo the validity of his studies--after all, plenty of non-puppy kickers would support him (better brush up on the Ad Hominem fallacy).  And actual evolutionary studies say that, no, we don't come from monkeys, that's just a common misconception.

[venxas24 544]

Because it's part of the core curriculum for many sciences. I learned about it Biology my freshman year

[OthersiderME 614]

What is your source for that story?

http://www.icr.org/article/1511/

here you go.

and i quote, "beat a puppy . . . simply from enjoying the sense of power."

 

the definition of a theory is "a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena." 

thanks for this, some people do not know the difference between the scientific definitions and the general english definitions, as with many other words.

Edited May 22, 2013 by OthersiderME

[twilight_roxas 326]

If they want to learn about religion in school they should go to sunday school.

[Hardrada 117]

http://www.icr.org/article/1511/

here you go.

and i quote, "beat a puppy . . . simply from enjoying the sense of power."

 

thanks for this, some people do not know the difference between the scientific definitions and the general english definitions, as with many other words.

Using a creationist website for information on charles darwin? Please tell me people don't actually do this.

 

Even if it were true, as dracozombie said, it wouldn't discredit his scientific findings.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Oh wow. This is depressing how much people believe that Evolution is fact and proven. 

 

And yes Evolution IS pushing beliefs and your views on others because it IS a belief and a theory, it IS pushing YOUR opinion on to others. Stop with the " It's Neutral " because it's not. 

 

I'm not a anti-science person, because we need science but Evolution is a theory and belief brought on by a man by Darwin who was btw believed to be crazy, not everybody believes that Evolution is fact, if you believe that Evolution is fact then that's cool but schools DO push it on YOU.

 

I'm so sick of this "We can't teach Religion, but we can teach the idea that we came from apes "  Yes some schools do teach religion and have Religious studies classes, but most schools if not all school push Darwin's theories down everybody's throats.

 

I did a class on Social Working last year and what was my first lesson ? You bet it, it was Evolution. What it had to learn to help others in need I had no idea, but it was pushed down my throat and it was annoying; because I came to the school to learn on how to help others in need, not learn Evolution.

 

And btw I love Science my dream was to be a Science Teacher at school but that was ruined when I realized that I had to be forced by the school system to teach kids Evolution. Evolution is one of the most FORCED things taught in schools. One of my friends was even forced to do a essay on why Evolution is fact or she would fail at College. That sounds like brainwashing to me.

People believe it because it is fact. They've found the bones that prove Humans were not always in the form we are now. Wither we evolved from apes (apes not monkeys) or not we did evolve from something. And it's not just humans either. All living things plants, animals and even fungi were something else before they became the species they are today. Even if Darwin did have the makings of a serial killer (and I wouldn't trust anything from a site so bias toward one side of the debate), it does not invalidate his findings. I agree that evolution doesn't seem to have anything to do with social work beyond basic instinctual behavior, but it is a fact.Moving on, what annoys me about creationism is that, like everything else in the bible, it completely disregards the basic laws of physics. And when you bring this up to creationists they pull out the old "God works in mysterious ways" excuse.

 

Finally, there are some collages that teach religion objectively. If someone want's to learn about it they can always take a Theology class. 

Now, i'm going to leave this thread for good because, judging from recent posts, I sense a flamewar coming and I'd rather not get sucked into a shitstorm. Goodbye.

Edited May 23, 2013 by Sora_Kuno

[Amon 4,279]

I don't care what your religious beliefs are, rejecting evolution is simply rejecting truth. You have to understand that the book of Creation was written by human beings, at a time where we believed the Earth was flat (there are still idiots that believe this though). One of the key components to any religion is explaining where we came from. Now we obviously know that we evolved from more primitive monkeys in layman's terms. Denying it is like denying that you breath. It's just really obvious and it makes 100% total sense. It's even been proven through experimenting with insects, small fish, and micro-organisms. 

 

Hell, the reason why you need a Flu shot every year is because of evolution. The flu virus evolves into a new form every year. 

 

So yeah, creationism is completely wrong and is only relevant in a spiritual and metaphorical sense. 

 

Of course, you could easily make the argument that evolution comes from divine intervention. God or some other deity strategically selecting and experimenting with which traits were superior and would create a better creature. The genetic mutations happen because God makes them happen. 

 

Agnostic- Christians such as myself like arguing about this. I call myself an agnostic-christian because I sort of combine both ideas. For example, if energy is neither created, nor destroyed, and if there was nothing before the big-bang, where did the energy for the big bang come from? 

Edited May 25, 2013 by Amon

[OthersiderME 614]

Using a creationist website for information on charles darwin? Please tell me people don't actually do this.Even if it were true, as dracozombie said, it wouldn't discredit his scientific findings.

i don't really care about the beliefs of the website in itself, and yes, it has a very large slant, you'd be lucky to find something on the internet without slant at all.  this doesn't change that they do quote charles darwin's autobiography for things such as lying for the fun of it, as well as much of the shooting birds as a favorite pastime.  i wish you wouldn't discredit things for your disagreement with them.  sometimes they do have real info, although it may be presented in the wrong way.  even if the person is bad, the research does still stand, but many people are a little glorified.  i'm sorry if you've obtained the belief that i'm a creationist, as that would be dead wrong.

[axele 151]

 

 

People believe it because it is fact. They've found the bones that prove Humans were not always in the form we are now. Wither we evolved from apes (apes not monkeys) or not we did evolve from something. And it's not just humans either. All living things plants, animals and even fungi were something else before they became the species they are today. Even if Darwin did have the makings of a serial killer (and I wouldn't trust anything from a site so bias toward one side of the debate), it does not invalidate his findings. I agree that evolution doesn't seem to have anything to do with social work beyond basic instinctual behavior, but it is a fact.

 

You say that you don't want to believe something that is "biased " towards God being real, but then you're biased towards Darwin's beliefs ? Hypocrite much ?! Yeah you can keep on telling everybody that it's a fact, you can go " fact, fact fact, fact " all day; but we won't really know until we die and whether we see a God or not. 

 

So I shouldn't trust you ? Okay then. 

 

Also you BELIEVE that Evolution is fact and that's okay; but don't drill it in to me or others unless they're interested and schools do that all the time; hence why I do agree that Evolution teachings should be optional to the student at a certain age; like High School age. I made a choice for myself; I chose to believe in God and others have a right to chose their beliefs as well. Tell me, did you chose  ? Or did you just follow the textbooks ? I wonder.

 

 

 

Finally, there are some collages that teach religion objectively. If someone want's to learn about it they can always take a Theology class.

 

Thank You. I was waiting for somebody to say this.  

[mosokisa 93]

I think schools should teach both science, including bigbang theory, evolution theory etc, AND religion But I think it should be that kind of religion in which you can learn of many other religions, not just one, and on a way which does not try to force anyone believe in that religion but just teach what it is like. Also, I don't think science should be taught on that way either. Making a student write an essay of how evolution theory is a fact (like someone said) is quite terrible in my opinion if the student does not believe in that.

 

But I think it's important to learn of both religions and science theories because even if the person him or helself does not believe in that, someone always does. And knowing of other's believes - even though it certainly doesn't make anyone appreciate other's thoughts automatically (which is a shame.. : D ) - still does make it a little bit easier to understand others if a person tries to do so.

[Sora2 84]

This is too mad lets just lock this and BURN IT with fIRE joke

[Hardrada 117]

You say that you don't want to believe something that is "biased " towards God being real, but then you're biased towards Darwin's beliefs ? Hypocrite much ?! Yeah you can keep on telling everybody that it's a fact, you can go " fact, fact fact, fact " all day; but we won't really know until we die and whether we see a God or not. So I shouldn't trust you ? Okay then. Also you BELIEVE that Evolution is fact and that's okay; but don't drill it in to me or others unless they're interested and schools do that all the time; hence why I do agree that Evolution teachings should be optional to the student at a certain age; like High School age. I made a choice for myself; I chose to believe in God and others have a right to chose their beliefs as well. Tell me, did you chose ? Or did you just follow the textbooks ? I wonder.Thank You. I was waiting for somebody to say this.

Evolutionary theory is based on scientific evidence, not bias. That's why it's taught in science class. Theology is not based on evidence which is why talking about god and creationism in a science class doesn't make any sense.

[OthersiderME 614]

While it is supported by what we know about the world now, it is a theory, which by scientific definition is "a summary of of a hypothesis or a group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing", and i would appreciate people not using it as "fact", unless you're using the scientific definition of that, too.