KH3D Mickey warns Lea about using Darkness and Lea's cloak

[Britipinojeff 95]

Mickey told Lea that it was dangerous to use the Corridors of Darkness right? when Lea came into Disney Castle. Isn't the black coat used to keep darkness from affecting him? and for that matter, why did he come back in his dark cloak? is that what he died in? 

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

It protects you but doesn't cut you off from it. That's why MX abandoned his armor in favor of the coat. Think of it this way, if the Keyblade Armor is SPF 50 than the Black Coat is SPF 30. It was fine when Axel was a Nobody but now that Lea's heart is fully restored the darkness can affect him more easily.

 

As for why he came back in it, I don't know. Maybe all the members came back in the coats but they changed clothes and he didn't. I doubt he became a Nobody while wearing one because it seems to be presented to the members upon joining Organization 13.

 

This brings up another question what clothes did he reform in when he became a Nobody. From what we saw with Roxas, the Nobody does not have the same clothes as their somebody.

Edited April 16, 2013 by Sora_Kuno

[xxClouDxxmoon 901]

It protects you but doesn't cut you off from it. That's why MX abandoned his armor in favor of the coat. Think of it this way, if the Keyblade Armor is SPF 50 than the Black Coat is SPF 30. It was fine when Axel was a Nobody but now that Lea's heart is fully restored the darkness can affect him more easily. As for why he came back in it, I don't know. maybe all the members came back in the coats but they changed clothes and he didn't. I doubt he became a Nobody while wearing one because it seems to be presented to the members upon joining Organization 13. This brings up another question what clothes did he reform in when he became a Nobody. From what we saw with Roxas, the Nobody does not have the same clothes as their somebody.

This.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

It clearly shows the organization members reforming in what clothes we saw them in. They were waking up so when did they have a chance to change? So obviously he was wearing that cloak when he was made a nobody.Most likely, since we saw him trying to sneak in the castle in BBS with Isa , they both prolly tried again in the future and got caught and were most likely forced into the experiments. After all, we know they joined later and were made nobodies later then the apprentices -who became nobodies first and would know they would need cloaks after being made nobodies 

 

Also cloaks aren't strictly organization cloaks- thats why DiZ, Mickey, and Riku also all wore one . They are used to protect against darkness- they are NOT necessarily just an organization thing.

[Caity 3,946]

It clearly shows the organization members reforming in what clothes we saw them in. They were waking up so when did they have a chance to change? So obviously he was wearing that cloak when he was made a nobody.Most likely, since we saw him trying to sneak in the castle in BBS with Isa , they both prolly tried again in the future and got caught and were most likely forced into the experiments. After all, we know they joined later and were made nobodies later then the apprentices -who became nobodies first and would know they would need cloaks after being made nobodies 

 

Also cloaks aren't strictly organization cloaks- thats why DiZ, Mickey, and Riku also all wore one . They are used to protect against darkness- they are NOT necessarily just an organization thing.

 

 

^Exactly all this

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

^Exactly all this

 There we go again

[Caity 3,946]

 There we go again

At least no ones any the wiser

<.<

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

It clearly shows the organization members reforming in what clothes we saw them in. They were waking up so when did they have a chance to change? So obviously he was wearing that cloak when he was made a nobody.Most likely, since we saw him trying to sneak in the castle in BBS with Isa , they both prolly tried again in the future and got caught and were most likely forced into the experiments. After all, we know they joined later and were made nobodies later then the apprentices -who became nobodies first and would know they would need cloaks after being made nobodies 

 

Also cloaks aren't strictly organization cloaks- thats why DiZ, Mickey, and Riku also all wore one . They are used to protect against darkness- they are NOT necessarily just an organization thing.

It's generally accepted that DiZ stole those from the Orgs. storeroom. But after re-watching the cut scene your talking about, I see now that they all reformed at the same time. But that doesn't make sense to me, Vexen, Zexion and Lexaeus were defeated well before Xaldin and Axel ,so they should have reformed earlier as well. I guess their Heartless weren't destroyed 'till KHII

Edited April 15, 2013 by Sora_Kuno

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

It's generally accepted that DiZ stole those from the Orgs. storeroom. But after re-watching the cut scene your talking about, I see now that they all reformed at the same time. But that doesn't make sense to me, Vexen, Zexion and Lexaeus were defeated well before Xaldin and Axel ,so they should have reformed earlier as well. I guess their Heartless weren't destroyed 'till KHII

 

 Generally accepted isn't a real explanation . Therefore it didn't happen until it's said or explained that way. They all used them for the same purpose though- to protect against darkness.  As for the CoM members, it could be their heartless were destroyed when Xemnas was having all the hearts collected for his manufactured KH and when it was destroyed  the hearts were finally free to reform with their bodies.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

 Generally accepted isn't a real explanation . Therefore it didn't happen until it's said or explained that way. They all used them for the same purpose though- to protect against darkness.  As for the CoM members, it could be their heartless were destroyed when Xemnas was having all the hearts collected for his manufactured KH and when it was destroyed  the hearts were finally free to reform with their bodies.

Not every aspect of the game is going to have a concrete explanation. For instance, we still have no clue where Riku got Destiny's Embrace, or how he knew Kairi could use it and probably never will. We also have no idea how Keyblades are made, we know why they were originally made but not how, a question I had expected to be answered in BbS. Likewise we will most likely never be told where DiZ got the coats. We do know that everyone who has used a Black Coat has had a connection to Organization 13, be they allies or enemies, so it stands to reason that anyone outside the Org who wears one stole it. Nomura wants us to use draw our own conclusions, he's not going to present every little detail to us on a silver platter. If DiZ didn't steal the Coats than what is your theory as how he obtained it. I like hearing other peoples theories, it makes the series even more interesting.

Edited April 15, 2013 by Sora_Kuno

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Not every aspect of the game is going to have a concrete explanation. For instance, we still have no clue where Riku got Destiny's Embrace, or how he knew Kairi could use it and probably never will. We also have no idea how Keyblades are made, we know why they were originally made but not how, a question I had expected to be answered in BbS. Likewise we will most likely never be told where DiZ got the coats. We do know that everyone who has used a Black Coat has had a connection to Organization 13, be they allies or enemies, so it stands to reason that anyone outside the Org who wears one stole it. Nomura wants us to use draw our own conclusions, he's not going to present every little detail to us on a silver platter. If DiZ didn't steal the Coats than what is your theory as how he obtained it. I like hearing other peoples theories, it makes the series even more interesting.

 

No one said every detail had to be explained but it's not explained and people make up reasons. It's not really a valid explanation for it either- just a theory at best.  Just bc your enemies have cloaks too doesn't mean they stole them either . Thats just something someone made up at best. But we do know they all used them for a common reason- to protect against the darkness.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

No one said every detail had to be explained but it's not explained and people make up reasons. It's not really a valid explanation for it either- just a theory at best.  Just bc your enemies have cloaks too doesn't mean they stole them either . Thats just something someone made up at best. But we do know they all used them for a common reason- to protect against the darkness.

I was just trying to make a point that, if a minor detail is left unexplained than it's fine to create your own answer. Without a canon explanation, who's to say if a person's  theory is wrong or not. I admit it's possible he obtained them in another way, I just don't see one that's viable.

Edited April 15, 2013 by Sora_Kuno

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I was just trying to make a point that, if a minor detail is left unexplained than it's fine to create your own answer. Without a canon explanation, who's to say if a person's  theory is wrong or not. I admit it's possible he obtained them in another way, I just don't see one that's viable.

 

Well It's perfectly fine to theorize but it's still not an actual canon answer and shouldn't be presented as such. We do know , however, that other people besides the organization used the cloaks for the same reasoning - to protect themselves ..There can be all kinds of viable explanations but it was never said bc maybe it just wasn't important enough.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Well It's perfectly fine to theorize but it's still not an actual canon answer and shouldn't be presented as such. We do know , however, that other people besides the organization used the cloaks for the same reasoning - to protect themselves ..There can be all kinds of viable explanations but it was never said bc maybe it just wasn't important enough.

That's why I said it was "generally accepted" rather than empirically stated. I wasn't presenting it as a canon answer, just stating what most fans think.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

That's why I said it was "generally accepted" rather than empirically stated. I wasn't presenting it as a canon answer, just stating what most fans think.

 

I have never heard of this theory before now whenever this topic is brought up tbh.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

I have never heard of this theory before now whenever this topic is brought up tbh.

Fair enough, I should have said "I merely stated what I believe most fans think". I just don't think it can be bought at a store, given that it changes shape with it's wearers body like how when Riku took on the form of Ansem it magically grew to fit his taller stature,

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Fair enough, I should have said "I merely stated what I believe most fans think". I just don't think it can be bought at a store, given that it changes shape with it's wearers body like how when Riku took on the form of Ansem it magically grew to fit his taller stature,

 

Well there are tons of minute details we may never have explained that just don't make sense. The cloaks do seem to be 'magical' though considering you can hide entire outfits underneath them and they are form fitting

[Britipinojeff 95]

Well there are tons of minute details we may never have explained that just don't make sense. The cloaks do seem to be 'magical' though considering you can hide entire outfits underneath them and they are form fitting

 

 

Fair enough, I should have said "I merely stated what I believe most fans think". I just don't think it can be bought at a store, given that it changes shape with it's wearers body like how when Riku took on the form of Ansem it magically grew to fit his taller stature,

well thanks for the input guys

[AxelRoxasXionKH 105]

It's generally accepted that DiZ stole those from the Orgs. storeroom. But after re-watching the cut scene your talking about, I see now that they all reformed at the same time. But that doesn't make sense to me, Vexen, Zexion and Lexaeus were defeated well before Xaldin and Axel ,so they should have reformed earlier as well. I guess their Heartless weren't destroyed 'till KHII

 

 

It clearly shows the organization members reforming in what clothes we saw them in. They were waking up so when did they have a chance to change? So obviously he was wearing that cloak when he was made a nobody.Most likely, since we saw him trying to sneak in the castle in BBS with Isa , they both prolly tried again in the future and got caught and were most likely forced into the experiments. After all, we know they joined later and were made nobodies later then the apprentices -who became nobodies first and would know they would need cloaks after being made nobodies 

 

Also cloaks aren't strictly organization cloaks- thats why DiZ, Mickey, and Riku also all wore one . They are used to protect against darkness- they are NOT necessarily just an organization thing.

I do think cloaks are restricted to the organization, in Days you had to take out the imposter, someone who was wearing "the coat" but not a member.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I do think cloaks are restricted to the organization, in Days you had to take out the imposter, someone who was wearing "the coat" but not a member.

 

That doesn't mean anything .Xemnas knew who the imposter was and that he was spying so of course there are orders to 'eliminate that threat ' by telling them it was an 'imposter ' .They have never seen anything else to tell them different and he certainly didn't want Riku to tell them the truth about themselves bc he needed them . Riku was a threat to that and had to be presented as an enemy of course . He also blatantly lied to all the org members about their hearts and the ability to grow them back on purpose, and he lied about his real purpose of making them all vessels. He lied the entire time to manipulate them to serve his purpose..The last thing Xemnas needed was them conversating with Riku so he presents him as some evil bad guy' imposter'.. This still doesn't account for SEVERAL other  people wearing them that are NOT members but do have a common purpose why they need them..You might be able to excuse that if there was only one, but not several. Cloaks are just a common 'need ' in the series for protection from darkness and so anyone who needs them for that purpose uses them. Fact remains that there are several people that aren't org members running around using them bc they need them . Just bc the organization was known to use them doesn't mean others didn't use them considering why the cloaks are needed in the first place

Edited April 16, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[AxelRoxasXionKH 105]

That doesn't mean anything .Xemnas knew who the imposter was and that he was spying so of course there are orders to 'eliminate that threat ' by telling them it was an 'imposter ' .They have never seen anything else to tell them different and he certainly didn't want Riku to tell them the truth about themselves bc he needed them . Riku was a threat to that and had to be presented as an enemy of course . He also blatantly lied to all the org members about their hearts and the ability to grow them back on purpose, and he lied about his real purpose of making them all vessels. He lied the entire time to manipulate them to serve his purpose..The last thing Xemnas needed was them conversating with Riku so he presents him as some evil bad guy' imposter'.. This still doesn't account for SEVERAL other  people wearing them that are NOT members but do have a common purpose why they need them..You might be able to excuse that if there was only one, but not several. Cloaks are just a common 'need ' in the series for protection from darkness and so anyone who needs them for that purpose uses them. Fact remains that there are several people that aren't org members running around using them bc they need them .

I dunno, first of all, I dunno anything for sure but I think cloaks were originally for the organisation. I don't think the cloaks where stolen but what you're saying is just an assumption too. We don't have any footage about this subject to actually get any answers, so that sorta sucks. To me it seemed like Saïx was more aware of what was happening in the worlds then Xemnas, but I'm probably wrong about that anyway though he didn't seem to be really concerned about what his members where doing. There's just not a whole lot of info about Xemnas, even in Days he doesn't have a very big part to play, it's all Saix commanding the others to do stuff. It feels like Xemnas is just sitting there smiling evil on his white throne.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I dunno, first of all, I dunno anything for sure but I think cloaks were originally for the organisation. I don't think the cloaks where stolen but what you're saying is just an assumption too. We don't have any footage about this subject to actually get any answers, so that sorta sucks. To me it seemed like Saïx was more aware of what was happening in the worlds then Xemnas, but I'm probably wrong about that anyway though he didn't seem to be really concerned about what his members where doing. There's just not a whole lot of info about Xemnas, even in Days he doesn't have a very big part to play, it's all Saix commanding the others to do stuff. It feels like Xemnas is just sitting there smiling evil on his white throne.

 

 

 

My whole point about the cloaks is that there ISNT an explanation for them but fact remains we have several people who clearly arent org members using them bc they are needed. Thats not an assumption .This is fact. Where is the assumption in this ? I was stating the exact opposite of an assumption- that there isn't a stated original origin of those cloaks so you can't assume only org members used them especially considering NOT ALL people using them are org members.

 

Secondly, Xemnas did know about everything including the traitors sent for elimination in CoM, and Nomura even stated Xemnas knew about Saix and Axel conspiring too.He went to great lengthes to hide what he knew and his true intentions.. Just bc Xemnas gave Saix the job of appointing missions doesn't mean he did not know what was going on .In fact,if anything DDD proves he knew a damn lot about what was going on and then some - more than anyone else there except Xigbar. Saix was trying to rebel in the very first place bc Axel and Saix suspected Xemnas was hiding and lying about his true intentions and they were right but they couldn't quite find what he was hiding. Shows you how little Saix actually knew about what was REALLY going on.Read the secret reports bc Xemnas knew exactly what was going on.

Edited April 16, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[Hazimie 1,595]

Even though the Black Coat was keep away the darkness by harming it,that doesn't mean they will be immortal...

[AxelRoxasXionKH 105]

My whole point about the cloaks is that there ISNT an explanation for them but fact remains we have several people who clearly arent org members using them bc they are needed. Thats not an assumption .This is fact. Where is the assumption in this ? I was stating the exact opposite of an assumption- that there isn't a stated original origin of those cloaks so you can't assume only org members used them especially considering NOT ALL people using them are org members.

 

Secondly, Xemnas did know about everything including the traitors sent for elimination in CoM, and Nomura even stated Xemnas knew about Saix and Axel conspiring too.He went to great lengthes to hide what he knew and his true intentions.. Just bc Xemnas gave Saix the job of appointing missions doesn't mean he did not know what was going on .In fact,if anything DDD proves he knew a damn lot about what was going on and then some - more than anyone else there except Xigbar. Saix was trying to rebel in the very first place bc Axel and Saix suspected Xemnas was hiding and lying about his true intentions and they were right but they couldn't quite find what he was hiding. Shows you how little Saix actually knew about what was REALLY going on.Read the secret reports bc Xemnas knew exactly what was going on.

the assumption was Xemnas knowing it was Riku, and seeing him as a threat to his goal,. wasn't the cloak supposed to hide his identity? I don't recall exactly cause I never really got to play CoM so I've only seen the cutscenes but there was something about the coat cutting you off from senses or something? But like I said before,, it's not really like I have a lot of knowledge just trying to join this conversation because though I don't know a lot, a lot seems like assumptions to me, actually the only persons I have ever seen wearing a coat other then the organisation members are Mickey and Riku. (you also said Diz?) or they got them from Diz. (something that just crosses my mind writing this,.. in DDD YMX said to Riku that he couldn't be a Vessel anymore because Riku got to control the darkness and that just like the keyblade they would move on to the next in the line, in that case... wouldn't it be weird if Xemnas wanted to eliminate Riku when he was supposed to be a vessel, this is a question apart from our "cloak discussion") 

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

 

the assumption was Xemnas knowing it was Riku, and seeing him as a threat to his goal,. wasn't the cloak supposed to hide his identity? 

I don't recall exactly cause I never really got to play CoM so I've only seen the cutscenes but there was something about the coat cutting you off from senses or something? But like I said before,, it's not really like I have a lot of knowledge just trying to join this conversation because though I don't know a lot, a lot seems like assumptions to me, actually the only persons I have ever seen wearing a coat other then the organisation members are Mickey and Riku. (you also said Diz?) or they got them from Diz. 

(something that just crosses my mind writing this,.. in DDD YMX said to Riku that he couldn't be a Vessel anymore because Riku got to control the darkness and that just like the keyblade they would move on to the next in the line, in that case... wouldn't it be weird if Xemnas wanted to eliminate Riku when he was supposed to be a vessel, this is a question apart from our "cloak discussion")

 

 

What I was telling you about Xemnas was straight from Days . Read the reports and catch up on the interviews .The fact that you think Xemnas didn't even know what was going on makes me believe you don't really know what was going on. He was the one issuing the orders to Saix who then dealt out the orders to everyone else in the first place.LOL .Nomura even confirmed Xemnas knew about everything that was going on - even Saix and Axel's rebellion. He just didn't care . As for Riku - he did know who it was . He knew where Soras whereabouts were all along too for the most part. He kept track. Heck even Axel knew it was Riku -but didnt want to report this right away himself which he states in the reports. As for why would Xemnas want the threat eliminated- bc they at the time were planning on using ROXAS--- then when that didn't work out they went back to Riku and then finally Sora as stated in DDD.  This was explained in detail in DDD. These aren't assumptions. Although i would like to point out I believe at the time Days was made the plot for DDD wasn't even thought up yet and I think it does leave retcons in the story. At the time Days was going on Roxas was the one they were planning to use so it didnt matter if they eliminated a threat. Furthermore, Xemnas also sent a bunch of his org members for assassination at CO as well even though they were originally planned as vessels. Yet he still did it. Nothing I've stated is an assumption just bc you didnt know it. And yes DiZ aka Ansem the Wise also wore a cloak ..The fact remains we have several people who wore cloaks who were not org members- thats not an assumption either .People that had reasons to use them used them . Thats all we know. Although the cloaks are certainly associated with the org members since they all required them for protection.

 

Here are two examples of where its mentioned Xemnas knew about everything going on and then some. He always did. He just had others do his dirty work .XDD

 

 

Nomura: It is a fact that Saix and Axel probably wanted to take over the Organization, however they didn�t understand what they were going to do or how to do it. As for Xemnas, he knew about this betrayal, but never brought it up. Generally, one�s conduct was for the sake of their purpose.He was aware of much everything going on.

 

 

Author: Xigbar Saïx had a hand in what went down at Castle Oblivion - well, more like a whole arm. Which means Axel was in on it as well. It's a fact that Xemnas ordered Axel to take out the traitors, orders which went through Saïx. No specific names were given, but naturally Xemnas knew who the turncoats were right from the get-go.   

Edited April 16, 2013 by Flaming Lea