Could Roxas possibly be Ventus's nobody?

[Rob 5,571]

If Roxas could possibly be Ven's nobody then Vanitas could possibly be Sora's pure darkness.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

So what is the difference between their merge and Sora's merges?

Think of it like this, if Ven's heart was being cradled, Terra's was being strangled.

She is an anomoly period . She doesn't even have a body . She never made a heartless. There is no other situation that she compares too. Roxas had no memories bc Sora retained his as a walking heart and Ven's heart was only being harbored and was sleeping . Roxas couldn't even summon Ven's keyblade till Xion died and the emotional trauma awakened the ability through Ven's heart .and that was at the very end ,He never had Ven's memories .He had no memories at all - thats why ge was a 'zombie "

My point is that Namine is still called a "Nobody" despite being an anomaly. Other than that you pretty much just said exactly what I did in slightly different words. The reason I didn't mention the reason Roxas didn't have Sora's memories is because enough people know it that I didn't think it was necissary.

 

If Roxas could possibly be Ven's nobody then Vanitas could possibly be Sora's pure darkness.

Except for the fact that Vanitas was created before Sora and Ven's heart first made contact, before Sroa was even born in fact, while Roxas was created after Sora accepted Ven's heart into him. 

Edited April 4, 2013 by Sora_Kuno

[xmitchymouse 0]

If Roxas could possibly be Ven's nobody then Vanitas could possibly be Sora's pure darkness.

O.O thts not possible,Ven and Sora's heart joined the event after Vanitas was created.So he's basicly Ven's pure darkness.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Think of it like this, if Ven's heart was being cradles, Terra's was being strangled.

My point is that Namine is still called a "Nobody" despite being an anomaly. Other than that you pretty much just said exactly what I did in slightly different words.

 

All I'm saying is that Namine's situation isn't comparable to anyone else's in the series thats why she's an anomoly. Ven's heart was sleeping and being harbored in Sora . His body was in CO. Kairi's heart was in Sora and was released with Sora's causing Namine to be created . Ven's heart didn't leave Sora's body- it stayed with it and Roxas was born with Ven's heart thus his appearance. He doesn't have any of Ven's memories and doesn't take on ven's personality either .He forms his own and later forms his own memories in which he forms his own heart in turn as time passes. Because Sora did not spend much time as a heartless and was brought back as basically a walking heart after being purified by Kairi, he retained his memories as well which is why Roxas did not remember his past like other nobodies .

Edited April 4, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[Britipinojeff 95]

Roxas was created when Sora stabbed himself with Riku's keyblade but still had his heart when he was a heartless.So could Sora have stabbed Ventus's heart by mistake? o.o

Heartless hold captive hearts i think is what its supposed to be. 

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

All I'm saying is that Namine's situation isn't comparable to anyone else's in the series thats why she's an anomoly. Ven's heart was sleeping and being harbored in Sora . His body was in CO. Kairi's heart was in Sora and was released with Sora's causing Namine  to be created . Ven's heart didn't leave Sora's body- it stayed with it and Roxas was born with Ven's heart thus his appearance. He doesn't have any of Ven's memories and doesn't take on ven's personality either .He forms his own and later forms his own memories in which he forms his own heart in turn as time passes. Because Sora did not spend much time time as a heartless and was brought back as basically a walking heart after being purified by Kairi he retained his memories as well which is why Roxas did not remember his past like other nobodies .

I agree with you, but I needed someway to explain to the person I originally responded to how Roxas can at least partially be Ven's nobody despite the fact that his original body still existed. In that regard they are similar. The fact is both Ven's and Kairi's bodies existed at the time of their Nobodies' creation. That is the point I was trying to make, the semantics aren't important.

Edited April 4, 2013 by Sora_Kuno

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I agree with you, but I needed someway to explain to the person I originally responded to how Roxas can at least partially be Ven's nobody despite the fact that his original body still existed. In that regard they are similar. The fact is both Ven's and Kairi's bodies existed at the time of their Nobodies' creation. That is the point I was trying to make, the semantics aren't important.

 

 

Yeah in a way Roxas is bc of Ven's heart so i see and agree with your original point in that respect , but also that Roxas is definitely Sora's nobody

[ReverofE 698]

So Sora's heart never merged with the two hearts inside him just kept them inside separately.....Seriously Normura come on.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Yeah in a way Roxas is bc of Ven's heart so i see and agree with your original point in that respect , but also that Roxas is definitely Sora's nobody

I'm not saying he isn't I'm just saying that Roxas is both Sora and Ven's Nobody. But I also see that by my logic, despite not being a true Nobody and never having been stated to be so, Namine must also be Sora and Kairi's Nobody because

 

Roxas: Created from Sora's body and soul.

            Form influenced by Ven's heart.

 

Namine: Created from Sora's body and soul.

              Form influenced by Kairi's heart.

 

But that is where the similarities end. I know Namine never harbored Kairi's heart just that her physical appearance was dictated by it.

Edited April 4, 2013 by Sora_Kuno

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

So Sora's heart never merged with the two hearts inside him just kept them inside separately.....Seriously Normura come on.

 

Sora and Ven's heart were not merged like MX's and Terra's were . Sora just harbored it for safe keeping so it could heal again 

[ReverofE 698]

Sora and Ven's heart were not merged like MX's and Terra's were . Sora just harbored it for safe keeping so it could heal again 

And this was similar with Kairi's heart too? 

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

And this was similar with Kairi's heart too? 

 

Yes Kairi's heart was never merged either . Just being safely held in Sora's body. When Sora released his heart , he released Kairi's but Ven's stayed in Sora's body which made Roxas.

[PublicLibraryx 55]

Sora is basically a Heart Bag

[Rob 5,571]

 

Except for the fact that Vanitas was created before Sora and Ven's heart first made contact, before Sroa was even born in fact, while Roxas was created after Sora accepted Ven's heart into him. 

 

It was sarcasm. Also, at first, it was suppose to be Sora before he was born, but due to overseas opinions about the heart not existing until after birth, it was discarded.

 

O.O thts not possible,Ven and Sora's heart joined the event after Vanitas was created.So he's basicly Ven's pure darkness.

 

Sarcasm to the thread question.

[Reyn 1,755]

Ok, look. Roxas is Sora and Ven's nobody.

 

Naturally, he is Sora's nobody. But the fact that he gained Ventus's heart after Sora created him, makes him part of Ven aswell. And Roxas having Ven's heart is the reason that Roxas has feelings and is how he affected Axel aswell, that's the reason that Axel says that Roxas made him feel like he had a heart, because Roxas had feelings since he himself HAD VEN'S HEART.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I'm not saying he isn't I'm just saying that Roxas is both Sora and Ven's Nobody. But I also see that by my logic, despite not being a true Nobody and never having been stated to be so, Namine must also be Sora and Kairi's Nobody because

 

Roxas: Created from Sora's body and soul.

            Formed influenced by Ven's heart.

 

Namine: Created from Sora's body and soul.

              Form influenced by Kairi's heart.

 

But that is where the similarities end. I know Namine never harbored Kairi's heart just that her physical appearance was dictated by it.

 

 

Yes that and Namine doesnt have an actual physical body like Roxas had Sora's physical body .

[Reyn 1,755]

Yes that and Namine doesnt have an actual physical body like Roxas had Sora's physical body .

But lets say the situations were switched and Kairi had freed Sora's heart from her body. Wouldn't that mean that Namine would've had her physical body?'

 

 

 

I got the idea for this question from the Beta Trailers of KH in which the characters are saying "GUYS WE GOTTA SAVE SORA!!!"

Edited April 4, 2013 by spiderfreak1011

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

But lets say the situations were switched and Kairi had freed Sora's heart from her body. Wouldn't that mean that Namine would've had her physical body?'

 

 

 

I got the idea for this question from the Beta Trailers of KH in which the characters are saying "GUYS WE GOTTA SAVE SORA!!!"

 

 

Beta trailers usually have concepts that dont come to fruition .It happens all the time .

 

 

Kairi's heart was released from a body that wasn't hers and then didnt have any darkness to create a heartless so the circumstances of Namines existence are just an anomaly to begin with and weren't suppose to happen- she was never suppose to exist making her the very definition of a nobody but yet breaking the rules of what being a nobody entails. Since Namine is still a mystery of sorts we don't  have a definite answer. Maybe she would've turned out differently but in theory namine could've but would she have looked the same ? Kairi being a PoH complicates things too since that makes it not the average case .Maybe being a PoH affects things differently but in theory Kairi's body wouldve been turned into Namine in that case

Edited April 4, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[Reyn 1,755]

Beta trailers usually have concepts that dont come to fruition .It happens all the time .

 

 

Kairi's heart was released from a body that wasn't hers and then didnt have any darkness to create a heartless so the circumstances of Namines existence are just an anomaly to begin with and weren't suppose to happen- she was never suppose to exist making her the very definition of a nobody but yet breaking the rules of what being a nobody entails. Since Namine is still a mystery of sorts we don't  have a definite answer. Maybe she would've turned out differently but in theory namine could've but would she have looked the same ? Kairi being a PoH complicates things too since that makes it not the average case .Maybe being a PoH affects things differently but in theory Kairi's body wouldve been turned into Namine in that case

Ok then. But Yeah, Namine wasn't supposed to exist, but under the conditions of KH1, she came into existance thanks to Sora anyway.