Could Roxas possibly be Ventus's nobody?

[xmitchymouse 0]

Roxas was created when Sora stabbed himself with Riku's keyblade but still had his heart when he was a heartless.So could Sora have stabbed Ventus's heart by mistake? o.o

[ReverofE 698]

Roxas was created when Sora stabbed himself with Riku's keyblade but still had his heart when he was a heartless.So could Sora have stabbed Ventus's heart by mistake? o.o

If that's true then why did Ventus's heart stay with Roxas? 

[The_eternal_nothing 586]

No causee his name would be tusnvex

[AntonioKHT 449]

I don't think so. Sora was the who was 'divided' and became a heartless, and it was him that came back when he heard Kairi's voice. 

Sora's body is strongly connected to Ven's heart, and that's why Roxas looks like him if i'm not mistaken. There are no exact answers from in game, maybe Nomura explained it, but I'm not sure, you'd have to check (or wait for a better answer)

Plus, his name is Roxas, anagram of Sora not Ventus

[XxJIBYxX 24]

I wouldn't say Sora still had his heart, then he wouldn't be a heartless. He just retained the control and the memories. And tho Roxas is identicle to Ven, KH2 made it pretty clear that Roxas is in fact Sora's nobody, and somehow i dont think it would have been possible to stab Ven's heart

[WakelessDream 2,278]

When Sora stabbed his heart it also released Ventus's heart, when Roxas was created Ventus's heart made it into Sora's body(or the empty shell that became Roxas) aka Roxas his nobody. Because Ven's heart made it's way into Roxas it had an influence on how Roxas  looked almost identical to Ven. o.o

 

Ven's heart was only released when Sora stabbed himself, I don't think he stabbed Ven's heart by mistake though, so in short no I wouldn't say Roxas is Ven's nobody. And besides, well to me at least it seems like the whole of KH2 goes out of it's way to emphasize that Roxas is Sora's nobody.  

Edited April 3, 2013 by WakelessDream

[venxas24 544]

Roxas has Sora's body but Ventus's heart, that is why he looks so much like Ven. They aren't the same person though, they're behaviors and fighting styles differ. Also they are both extremely badass

[ReverofE 698]

So Namine was also created from Sora's body and soul?

[xmitchymouse 0]

If that's true then why did Ventus's heart stay with Roxas?

owo in kh ddd,Xemnas said tht Nobodies do in fact have hearts.Thts why Roxas,Axel,and Xion could feel.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Nomura has stated multiple times that Roxas is both Sora's and Ven's Nobody.

 

Best I can explain it is that when Sora stabbed himself with the false Keyblade of Hearts, Kairi's heart returned to her, Ven's stayed with Sora's body which became Roxas and Sora's own heart fell into darkness. Roxas looks like Ven for the same reason that Namine looks like Kairi, because it was Ven's heart that gave him his form the same way that Kairi's heart gave Namine hers, despite being made from Sora's body. I guess Namine could also be considered to be both Sora's and Kairi's nobody.

 

In short, yes, Roxas is Ventus' Nobody. But he is also Sora's 

Edited April 3, 2013 by Sora_Kuno

[Weiss 8,279]

Roxas looks more like Ven because of Ven's heart but is Sora's nobody.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Do you know what the very definition of a nobody is ? It's basically the physical shell ( body and soul ) of a person thats left over after a person has lost his or her heart ..Ventus' body is in Castle Oblivion . Roxas is Sora's physical body plus he harbored Ven's heart inside him thus giving him Ven's appearance. This was confirmed  also by Nomura  years ago . Ven's heart wasn't released when Sora stabbed himself , it stayed inside Sora's physical body ( which was Roxas). Roxas is definitely Sora's nobody but hes a special nobody bc he had Ven's heart too.

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*Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?*

A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus.

This doesn't get any clearer then this. Roxas who is literally Sora's body was affected by Ventus's heart. 
Since the heart shapes the vessel Sora's body was molded to look like Ventus as his heart remained in Sora's body. Had Ven's heart not been present Roxas would have looked like Sora not Ven.


*Q2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297?*

A: Because he had gotten to close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Room of Awakening. Both Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas’ “real selves”, and when he felt their presence it made him faint.

This further emulates the point about the location of Ven's heart. Roxas's fainted because Ven's heart was so close to his body, and Roxas(Sora's Body) was so close to his heart. Had Ven's heart not been within Roxas he woud not be included in Roxas's true selves.


*Q3 is basically the same question as 1 confirming Roxas has Ven's heart*

*Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?*

A: Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’ keyblades. Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus’ as well as his own. As Roxasis a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once, Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield. 

Edited April 3, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[ReverofE 698]

owo in kh ddd,Xemnas said tht Nobodies do in fact have hearts.Thts why Roxas,Axel,and Xion could feel.

Really I thought Xemnas said that Nobodies can form their own, new hearts if they become self-aware. Instead of inheriting their own old ones.

 

 

Nomura has stated multiple times that Roxas is both Sora's and Ven's Nobody.

 

Best I can explain it is that when Sora stabbed himself with the false Keyblade of Hearts, Kairi's heart returned to her, Ven's stayed with Sora's body which became Roxas and Sora's own heart fell into darkness. Roxas looks like Ven for the same reason that Namine looks like Kairi, because it was Ven's heart that gave him his form the same way that Kairi's heart gave Namine hers, despite being made from Sora's body. I guess Namine could also be considered to be both Sora's and Kairi's nobody.

 

In short, yes, Roxas is Ventus' Nobody. But he is also Sora's 

True but why didn't this happen with Terranort?

[Demyx. 10,064]

Nomura has stated multiple times that Roxas is both Sora's and Ven's Nobody.

 

Best I can explain it is that when Sora stabbed himself with the false Keyblade of Hearts, Kairi's heart returned to her, Ven's stayed with Sora's body which became Roxas and Sora's own heart fell into darkness. Roxas looks like Ven for the same reason that Namine looks like Kairi, because it was Ven's heart that gave him his form the same way that Kairi's heart gave Namine hers, despite being made from Sora's body. I guess Namine could also be considered to be both Sora's and Kairi's nobody.

 

In short, yes, Roxas is Ventus' Nobody. But he is also Sora's 

He can't be Ven's nobody. Ven's body is in Castle Oblivion.

[Mystics Apprentice 2,397]

I think that Roxas is actually Sora's Nobody, but I also believe it's no coincidence that Roxas happens to look just like Ventus.  I think there's more to that story that'll be revealed later down the road.  I also wonder if the reason Sora's heart was so strong and created a Nobody was because Ven's heart strengthened his own.  Without Ventus, Sora might've not had a Nobody at all.

[Demyx. 10,064]

I think that Roxas is actually Sora's Nobody, but I also believe it's no coincidence that Roxas happens to look just like Ventus.  I think there's more to that story that'll be revealed later down the road.  I also wonder if the reason Sora's heart was so strong and created a Nobody was because Ven's heart strengthened his own.  Without Ventus, Sora might've not had a Nobody at all.

He Looks like Ven because he had Ven's heart in him.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

He Looks like Ven because he had Ven's heart in him.

 

 

Exactly I just posted the interview above  but yet people don't bother to freaking read  .

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Really I thought Xemnas said that Nobodies can form their own, new hearts if they become self-aware. Instead of inheriting their own old ones.

 

 

True but why didn't this happen with Terranort?

The can. most nobodies are created from as single person, while Roxas, Namine and Xemnas were created from two, possibly three in Xemnas' case. These "special" Nobodies could and develop their own hearts like normal nobodies but also harbored the hearts of others, except for Namine, She harbored no- ones heart.

 

It did, I just didn't go into it because we were talking about.

If you look at his behavior you can see similarities to both Master Xehanot and Terra. While Xemnas is obviously dominated by MX's personality he also.

If you look at his behavior you can see similarities to both Master Xehanot and Terra. While Xemnas is obviously dominated by MX's personality he obviously has Terra's memorieshas Terra's memories, and memories are stored in the heart as well as the mind. I can only guess that while Xemnas may have had Terra's heart, it was being suppressed by Master Xehanort's will. This is purely conjecture though, I have no proof.

He can't be Ven's nobody. Ven's body is in Castle Oblivion.

By that logic Namine can't be Kairi's Nobody because Kairi's body never disappeared either.

Edited April 3, 2013 by Sora_Kuno

[Demyx. 10,064]

It did, I just didn't go into it because we were talking about.

If you look at his behavior you can see similarities to both Master Xehanot and Terra. While Xemnas is obviously dominated by MX's personality he alsio has Terra's memories, and memories are stored in the heart as well as the mind. I can only guess that while Xemnas may have had Terra's heart, it was being suppressed by Master Xehanort's will. This is purely conjecture though, I have no proof.

By that logic Namine can't be Kairi's Nobody because Kairi's body never disappeared either.

Namine isn't exactly a nobody. She breaks the rules of what a nobody really is. Roxas looks like Ven because he has Ven's heart inside him. But he is Sora's body. Ven's heart just reshaped his body.

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

So Namine was also created from Sora's body and soul?

 

 

Namine is literally a freak of nature . Shes the very definition of a nobody - She truly doesn't exist yet still does. She breaks all the 'rules' of a nobody yet still is . Shes an anomoly which DiZ even stated . She doesn't even have a physical body .She was also derived from a PoH who couldn't even form a heartless. .. 

The can. most nobodies are created from as single person, while Roxas, Namine and Xemnas were created from two, possibly three in Xemnas' case. These "special" Nobodies could and develop their own hearts like normal nobodies but also harbored the hearts of others, except for Namine, She harbored no- ones heart.

 

It did, I just didn't go into it because we were talking about.

If you look at his behavior you can see similarities to both Master Xehanot and Terra. While Xemnas is obviously dominated by MX's personality he also.

If you look at his behavior you can see similarities to both Master Xehanot and Terra. While Xemnas is obviously dominated by MX's personality he obviously has Terra's memorieshas Terra's memories, and memories are stored in the heart as well as the mind. I can only guess that while Xemnas may have had Terra's heart, it was being suppressed by Master Xehanort's will. This is purely conjecture though, I have no proof.

By that logic Namine can't be Kairi's Nobody because Kairi's body never disappeared either.

 

 

 

Namine is an anomoly as stated by DiZ.. Also Roxas wasn't born with Ventus' memories .He just harbored his sleeping heart which affected his appearance .His personality was not Ven's though nor did he have Ven's memories .Thats why he was a zombie per se bc he lacked Sora's memories and didnt have Ven's either . He did not remember his past life like other nobodies.. Roxas was a special nobody bc of his circumstances as stated by Nomura just like Nomura stated Xemnas was but for different reasons. They both were born special bc they weren't the average nobody for reasons  stated above. AX's heart was two hearts merged unlike Sora's . He only harbored Ven's but separately

Edited April 3, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[ReverofE 698]

The can. most nobodies are created from as single person, while Roxas, Namine and Xemnas were created from two, possibly three in Xemnas' case. These "special" Nobodies could and develop their own hearts like normal nobodies but also harbored the hearts of others, except for Namine, She harbored no- ones heart.

 

It did, I just didn't go into it because we were talking about.

If you look at his behavior you can see similarities to both Master Xehanot and Terra. While Xemnas is obviously dominated by MX's personality he also.

If you look at his behavior you can see similarities to both Master Xehanot and Terra. While Xemnas is obviously dominated by MX's personality he obviously has Terra's memorieshas Terra's memories, and memories are stored in the heart as well as the mind. I can only guess that while Xemnas may have had Terra's heart, it was being suppressed by Master Xehanort's will. This is purely conjecture though, I have no proof.

By that logic Namine can't be Kairi's Nobody because Kairi's body never disappeared either.

I know about the similarities I just wanted to know why weren't two Nobodies born when Terranort became a Heartless?

[Demyx. 10,064]

I know about the similarities I just wanted to know why weren't two Nobodies born when Terranort became a Heartless?

Because Master Xehanort and Terra merged as one heart.

Edited April 3, 2013 by Xaon

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

 

Namine is literally a freak of nature . Shes the very definition of a nobody - She truly doesn't exist yet still does. She breaks all the 'rules' of a nobody yet still is . Shes an anomoly which DiZ even stated . She doesn't even have a physical body .She was also derived from a PoH who couldn't even form a heartless. .. 

 

 

 

Namine is an anomoly as stated by DiZ.. Also Roxas wasn't born with Ventus' memories .He just harbored his sleeping heart which affected his appearance .His personality was not Ven's though nor did he have Ven's memories .Thats why he was a zombie per se bc he lacked Sora's memories and didnt have Ven's either . Roxas was a special nobody bc of his circumstances as stated by Nomura just like Nomura stated Xemnas was but for different reasons. They both were born special bc they weren't the average nobody for reasons  stated above.

She still falls into that category, although she pushes the conventional definition of a Nobody.

I always figured that Roxas lacked Ven's memories because of the damaged state the latter's heart was in.

 

 

I know about the similarities I just wanted to know why weren't two Nobodies born when Terranort became a Heartless?

I guess it's because, unlike Kairi, Master Xehanort's original body no longer existed. So his heart didn't return to it's original place.

Edited April 4, 2013 by Sora_Kuno

[ReverofE 698]

Because Master Xehanort and Terra merged as one heart.

So what is the difference between their merge and Sora's merges?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

She still falls into that category.

I always figured that Roxas lacked Ven's memories because of the damaged state the latter's heart was in.

 

She is an anomoly period . She doesn't even have a body . She never made a heartless. There is no other situation that she compares too. Roxas had no memories bc Sora retained his as a walking heart and Ven's heart was only being harbored and was sleeping . Roxas couldn't even summon Ven's keyblade till Xion died and the emotional trauma awakened the ability through Ven's heart .and that was at the very end ,He never had Ven's memories .He had no memories at all - thats why he was a 'zombie " .Nomura himself stated Roxas was a special nobody.

So what is the difference between their merge and Sora's merges?

 

The difference is Sora's heart was not melded together with Ven's. His body only harbored his sleeping heart SEPARATELY .MX and Terra's heart were merged together with MX's trying to completely consume it .

Edited April 4, 2013 by Flaming Lea