KHBbS 8 things about Birth by Sleep that pissed me off

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Birth by Sleep has to be my least favorite game in the entire franchise for so many reasons....it's not a bad game by any means it's just an incredibly bleh one

 

There are several things about BBS that pissed me off that didn't exist in any other game in the series

 

1The bosses are the easiest in the series:

 

seriously the game has the easiest bosses I ever fought in the series even on proud and Critical mode they're not that challenging(Except for Terra-Xehanort he's hard as shit)

 

Vanitas in all of his encounters is a joke and his strategy can be summed up like this:attack twice and dodge with shotlock attacks ....rence and repeat until he's done for.Master Xehanort in his old form do nothing but staring at you the entire fight like an idiot and when he attacks he's so predictable.....I can go on about the bosses but the bottomline is....the bosses suck ass

 

2You're incredibly overpowered even without leveling up that much.The shotlock attacks and the limit break like modes when you fill up the gauge above the command menu makes the game much more easier than it should

 

3the D-Links are worthless....you''ll barely uses any of them with the exception of Zack...his D-link is pretty much a game breaker,in the Japanse version it can make bosses like the Final boss a walk in the park just because of how overpowered it is leveled up ot it's second level,yeah it has been nerfed down in the English version but still broken even if less than the Japanese version

 

4The last world in the game,the Keyblade Graveyard, is absolutely dissapointing,it's too short and boring and you can easily dodge the unversed tornado vortexes and proceed to the last area except if you want to grind and level up

 

5There is barely any difference between TerraAquaVentus 's version  of the worlds you revisit and most of the time you visit the exact same locations and fight the exact same boss you fought with the other character(Fighting the magical mirror twice in Dwarfwood land is pointless and barely adds anything to the story when you fight it as Aqua)

At least in KH2 your second visit means something because you see more of the story and you fight a different boss than the one you fought in your first visit

 

 

 

6Some story elements is just out there and some of them doesn't make sense,characters like Eraqus comes out as bland and does stupid decisions.

 

7The mini-games are nice but they're not that fun for a long time and they can get boring really fast

 

8It started the trend of giving EVERYONE a keyblade that made the weapon less unique.Seriously we almost have 13 wielders(14 if you count Young Xehanort) if you count all characters that can wield one....and the explanation on how Kairi got her Keyblade from Aqua is really dumb(Yeah I'm gonna accidentaly touch a Keyblade Wielder and become one myself....derp)Don't give me that crap that her heart is qualified to wield one because that would mean any douche with a strong heart can get his own keyblade

 

Nomura's biggest fault with the franchise is the over-abundance of keyblade wielders.Seriously at this point I can expect Cinderella to turn her high-heel shoes into a keyblade and join Kairi.....we almost got 14 Keyblade Wielders(Sora,Riku,Kairi,Mickey,Terra,Aqua,Ventus,Xehanort,Eraqus,Vanitas,Roxas,Xion,AxelLea,and Young Xehanort if you want to count him) with almost eleven of them still active.That made the keyblade lost most of it's uniqueness of having only the chosen ones to have it

 

 

 

Birth by Sleep is not bad it's really not....it's just for me the most boring one and the optional bosses doesn't add anything to the game unless you're playing Final Mix  in Which you need to beat all of them as a part of the requirements to unlock the secret Episode

 

Now I know the number of people who'll rip my flesh and soul for saying that and say:Nah you suck BBS is the best in the series TerraAquaVentus are awesome and should be the main protagonists and save the day ninaninanina

 

I just said my opinion and experience with the game and I remember I posted a thread like this almost half-year ago but there are things I forgot to mention  back then

Edited March 27, 2013 by Metal Snake

[143436611Xxcc 1,105]

Birth by Sleep has to be my least favorite game in the entire franchise for so many reasons....it's not a bad game by any means it's just an incredibly bleh one

 

There are several things about BBS that pissed me off that didn't exist in any other game in the series

 

1The bosses are the easiest in the series:

 

seriously the game has the easiest bosses I ever fought in the series even on proud and Critical mode they're not that challenging(Except for Terra-Xehanort he's hard as shit)

 

Vanitas in all of his encounters is a joke and his strategy can be summed up like this:attack twice and dodge with shotlock attacks ....rence and repeat until he's done for.Master Xehanort in his old form do nothing but staring at you the entire fight like an idiot and when he attacks he's so predictable.....I can go on about the bosses but the bottomline is....the bosses suck ass

 

2You're incredibly overpowered even without leveling up that much.The shotlock attacks and the limit break like modes when you fill up the gauge above the command menu makes the game much more easier than it should

 

3the D-Links are worthless....you''ll barely uses any of them with the exception of Zack...his D-link is pretty much a game breaker,in the Japanse version it can make bosses like the Final boss a walk in the park just because of how overpowered it is leveled up ot it's second level,yeah it has been nerfed down in the English version but still broken even if less than the Japanese version

 

4The last world in the game,the Keyblade Graveyard, is absolutely dissapointing,it's too short and boring and you can easily dodge the unversed tornado vortexes and proceed to the last area except if you want to grind and level up

 

5There is barely any difference between TerraAquaVentus 's version  of the worlds you revisit and most of the time you visit the exact same locations and fight the exact same boss you fought with the other character(Fighting the magical mirror twice in Dwarfwood land is pointless and barely adds anything to the story when you fight it as Aqua)

At least in KH2 your second visit means something because you see more of the story and you fight a different boss than the one you fought in your first visit

 

 

 

6Some story elements is just out there and some of them doesn't make sense,characters like Eraqus comes out as bland and does stupid decisions.

 

7The mini-games are nice but they're not that fun for a long time and they can get boring really fast

 

8It started the trend of giving EVERYONE a keyblade that made the weapon less unique.Seriously we almost have 13 wielders(14 if you count Young Xehanort) if you count all characters that can wield one....and the explanation on how Kairi got her Keyblade from Aqua is really dumb(Yeah I'm gonna accidentaly touch a Keyblade Wielder and become one myself....derp)Don't give me that crap that her heart is qualified to wield one because that would mean any douche with a strong heart can get his own keyblade

 

Nomura's biggest fault with the franchise is the over-abundance of keyblade wielders.Seriously at this point I can expect Cinderella to turn her high-heel shoes into a keyblade and join Kairi.....we almost got 14 Keyblade Wielders(Sora,Riku,Kairi,Mickey,Terra,Aqua,Ventus,Xehanort,Eraqus,Vanitas,Roxas,Xion,AxelLea,and Young Xehanort if you want to count him) with almost eleven of them still active.That made the keyblade lost most of it's uniqueness of having only the chosen ones to have it

 

 

 

Birth by Sleep is not bad it's really not....it's just for me the most boring one and the optional bosses doesn't add anything to the game unless you're playing Final Mix  in Which you need to beat all of them as a part of the requirements to unlock the secret Episode

 

Now I know the number of people who'll rip my flesh and soul for saying that and say:Nah you suck BBS is the best in the series TerraAquaVentus are awesome and should be the main protagonists and save the day ninaninanina

 

I just said my opinion and experience with the game and I remember I posted a thread like this almost half-year ago but there are things I forgot to mention  back then

most people would disagree, it was easy, but It hold favorite in the series for me.

[SoraBlade 832]

B-B-But than Sora shouldn't exist! BBS was the prequel! Without Aqua, Terra or Ventus, THERE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE ANY KEY-BLADES BECAUSE OF THE OTHER CHARACTERS IN THE GAME! (Lazy to change from caps lock)

[Weiss 8,279]

2, 5 and 8 I most agree with. However it still is a pretty great game imo.

[Xail 113]

Well Roxas wields soras keyblade, Xions is a fake and Vanias became part of ventus so there are only really 11 keyblade wielders

[Dio Brando 5,810]

I never said it's a bad game or it should not exist.It's not a bad game it's really not it's actually good but it's just boring to me

Well Roxas wields soras keyblade, Xions is a fake and Vanias became part of ventus so there are only really 11 keyblade wielders

Yeah but even then 11 is just overdoing it.Besides Sora wields the Kingdom Key while Roxas Wields Oathkeeper and oblivion

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

 

 

Don't give me that crap that her heart is qualified to wield one because that would mean any douche with a strong heart can get his own keyblade

But that's exactly how it works. Nomura said as much after KH2 "There isn't just one Keyblade for the realm of darkness and one for the realm of light but only as many as there are qualified hearts to wiled them" Translation "Any douche with a strong heart can get his own Keyblade"

 

Nomura's biggest fault with the franchise is the over-abundance of keyblade wielders.Seriously at this point I can expect Cinderella to turn her high-heel shoes into a keyblade and join Kairi.....we almost got 14 Keyblade Wielders(Sora,Riku,Kairi,Mickey,Terra,Aqua,Ventus,Xehanort,Eraqus,Vanitas,Roxas,Xion,AxelLea,and Young Xehanort if you want to count him) with almost eleven of them still active.That made the keyblade lost most of it's uniqueness of having only the chosen ones to have it

Well with Aqua in the realm of darkness, Vanitas eliminated Ventus, Roas and Xion in Sora, Terra and Eraqus joined with Terra-Xehanort and not knowing if that form is one of the unknown members for the Seekers of Darkness as well Master Xehanort's return there are only 6 active Keyblade wielders at this time. (If Roxas could use one then Xemnad should be able to as well) Also Young Xehanort cannot be counted IMO because he can't wield one unless fully controlled by his older self's consciousness. It would be like counting Saix, Xigbar or Ansem SoD as wielders. Also as for inactive wielders you forgot Yen Sid and Namine. We never heard if the latter could use one but, having been created by Kairi's heart leaving Sora's body and therefore essentially being the Nobody of two Keyblade wielders much like Roxas and Xemnas she he should be able to if given the chance.

Edited March 27, 2013 by Sora_Kuno

[Demyx. 10,064]

I disagree. But I'm to lazy to go into it. Main thing I want to say is that I actually like a bunch of people having a keyblade. I mean there is going to be a keyblade war and that's freakin awesome. Plus they always suggested other people have had the keyblade. So it's not like anybody should really be surprised.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

B-B-But than Sora shouldn't exist! BBS was the prequel! Without Aqua, Terra or Ventus, THERE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE ANY KEY-BLADES BECAUSE OF THE OTHER CHARACTERS IN THE GAME! (Lazy to change from caps lock)

I never said BBS shouldn't exist,I mean it could've been done much better....and also another problem is they're giving TerraAquaVentus more focus than the main characters Sora and Riku lately which is a problem that played other series like the sonic franchise....I don't hate Terra and Aqua(Ven is just bleh) but I don't want to play as them again

But that's exactly how it works. Nomura said as much after KH2 "There isn't just one Keyblade for the realm of darkness and one for the realm of light but only as many as there are qualified hearts to wiled them" Translation "Any douche with a strong heart can get his own  Keyblade"

Yeah but he didn't have to make EVERYONE  get a keyblade,Why can't the series be fine With Sora Riku Mickey and Roxas ????What does giving Leas a keyblade add to the story???? nothing because AxelLea is already good enough with Chakrams that he can defeat a wielder

I disagree. But I'm to lazy to go into it. Main thing I want to say is that I actually like a bunch of people having a keyblade. I mean there is going to be a keyblade war and that's freakin awesome. Plus they always suggested other people have had the keyblade. So it's not like anybody should really be surprised.

Maybe but that doesn't qualify the stupid decision  of taking away the focus from the MAIN PROTAGONIST OF THE FRANCHISE!!! This is like Kakashi is the one who ends the Great Ninja War and not Naruto and that would be bullshit....are you really fine with having TerraAquaVen taking down Xehanort in the end instead of the protagonist of the entire series

[Xail 113]

I never said it's a bad game or it should not exist.It's not a bad game it's really not it's actually good but it's just boring to me

Yeah but even then 11 is just overdoing it.Besides Sora wields the Kingdom Key while Roxas Wields Oathkeeper and oblivion

the two keyblades are sora's and ventus's just in  a different form

[Silent 824]

#9 terras voice actor. SERIOUSLY! it's like he didn't even try!!

[Dio Brando 5,810]

At least the addition of TAV and how they got their keyblades makes sense but that doesn't make Kairi or Lea for that matter worthy wielders

[OkashiraKenrex 251]

I actually agree with it,kinda opened up my eyes.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

#9 terras voice actor. SERIOUSLY! it's like he didn't even try!!

That...and the fact that his voice actor never got the tune right until the final battle in the game

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I never said it's a bad game or it should not exist.It's not a bad game it's really not it's actually good but it's just boring to me

Yeah but even then 11 is just overdoing it.Besides Sora wields the Kingdom Key while Roxas Wields Oathkeeper and oblivion

 

He's refering to the fact that Roxas is wielding Sora's keyblade and dual wields with Ven's as stated by Nomura himself below :

 

Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?*

 

A: Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’ keyblades. Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus’ as well as his own. As Roxasis a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once, Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield. 

 

 

Oathkeeper and Oblivion are the keychains attacked to the keyblade not the keyblade in itself per se . It's still using Sora's keyblade. Also there has always been numerous keyblade wielders even since KH1..Anyways I love BBS but everyone has different likes and dislikes and every game also has flaws and things it excels at as well. It's just a matter of opinion 

At least the addition of TAV and how they got their keyblades makes sense but that doesn't make Kairi or Lea for that matter worthy wielders

 If anyone has earned a keyblade by now it's Lea .He had a strong enough heart and has put himself out there many times for the better cause .He's saved Sora twice now in fact .Three if you count his interference in CO so he wouldn't become a puppet to Marluxia and Larxene.

Edited March 27, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[Demyx. 10,064]

I never said BBS shouldn't exist,I mean it could've been done much better....and also another problem is they're giving TerraAquaVentus more focus than the main characters Sora and Riku lately which is a problem that played other series like the sonic franchise....I don't hate Terra and Aqua(Ven is just bleh) but I don't want to play as them again

Yeah but he didn't have to make EVERYONE  get a keyblade,Why can't the series be fine With Sora Riku Mickey and Roxas ????What does giving Leas a keyblade add to the story???? nothing because AxelLea is already good enough with Chakrams that he can defeat a wielder

Maybe but that doesn't qualify the stupid decision  of taking away the focus from the MAIN PROTAGONIST OF THE FRANCHISE!!! This is like Kakashi is the one who ends the Great Ninja War and not Naruto and that would be bullshit....are you really fine with having TerraAquaVen taking down Xehanort in the end instead of the protagonist of the entire series

Since I haven't watch Naruto...I have no idea what you're talking about... I'm pretty sure Sora is going to take down Xehanort in the end.

[VanitasTheBest 196]

Yeah, the Keyblade isn't that big of a mysterious weapon anymore... But a Keyblade War... A war of Keyblade Wielder, everyone with unique Techniques... Why would that be a bad thing? Personally, I really hope Nomura's aiming for more GROUPS of Wielders, like Sora/Riku and Lea/Roxas/Xion and Terra/Aqua/Ven ... And the groups are going different ways, travelling through worlds, sometimes meeting each other and helping them out .... *-* And yes I didn't count Kairi or Micky, because I don't want Kairi as a big part of anything and Micky was always on his own.

 

Also Nomura showed us that NOT every single douche can have a Keyblade. Braig's the example. He WANTS a Keyblade but he just can't have one, that's why he joins forces with Xehanort and it'll probably turn out the way that he gets Xehanorts Keyblade in a different form, just like Littlenort did.I can't say something to every point because I didn't really play BbS, but I don't agree with 8. Only because there are so many Wielders it doesn't mean the Keyblade isn't unique anymore... The Keyblade connects with the Heart of its owner, so it can be as unique as the owners themselves are... Don't see there any probs

[Dio Brando 5,810]

He's refering to the fact that Roxas is wielding Sora's keyblade and dual wields with Ven's as stated by Nomura himself below :

 

Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?*

 

A: Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’ keyblades. Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus’ as well as his own. As Roxasis a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once, Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield. 

 

 

Oathkeeper and Oblivion are the keychains attacked to the keyblade not the keyblade in itself per se . It's still using Sora's keyblade. Also there has always been numerous keyblade wielders even since KH1..Anyways I love BBS but everyone has different likes and dislikes and every game also has flaws and things it excels at as well. It's just a matter of opinion 

Thanks for the correction ^_^

 

But still...did we really needed 11 keyblade wielders in the franchise???? Okay I can understand adding them for the Seven Lights and 13 Darknesses but that just doesn't qualify the decision of making TAV seem more important the Sora and Riku themselves.It pisses me off when I hear people that TerraAquaVen should be the main trio of the franchise and takes Sora's place....It's like watching the last episode of Naruto only to see Kakashi ends the 4th Ninja war not Naruto and that would be bullshit if it happened

[FireRubies1 1,325]

The thing I really don't like about BBS is that it kind of reminds me of the way Romeo and Juliet's plot worked

a lot of it was just complete chance and it just happened to work out the way it did

Just seemed really weird to me

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Yeah, the Keyblade isn't that big of a mysterious weapon anymore... But a Keyblade War... A war of Keyblade Wielder, everyone with unique Techniques... Why would that be a bad thing? Personally, I really hope Nomura's aiming for more GROUPS of Wielders, like Sora/Riku and Lea/Roxas/Xion and Terra/Aqua/Ven ... And the groups are going different ways, travelling through worlds, sometimes meeting each other and helping them out .... *-* And yes I didn't count Kairi or Micky, because I don't want Kairi as a big part of anything and Micky was always on his own.

 

Also Nomura showed us that NOT every single douche can have a Keyblade. Braig's the example. He WANTS a Keyblade but he just can't have one, that's why he joins forces with Xehanort and it'll probably turn out the way that he gets Xehanorts Keyblade in a different form, just like Littlenort did.I can't say something to every point because I didn't really play BbS, but I don't agree with 8. Only because there are so many Wielders it doesn't mean the Keyblade isn't unique anymore... The Keyblade connects with the Heart of its owner, so it can be as unique as the owners themselves are... Don't see there any probs

Maybe but making it easy for everyone to get their own and makes side characters all of sudden seem more important than Sora himself....then this is a problem.....I don't mind them being many but I mind them overshadowing the protagonist

[tothecikpah 230]

since Aqua is a Keyblade master, Terra failed..(but still trained to be a Keyblade master.. and Ventus too) so I think it's okay for them to be overpowered...

Edited March 27, 2013 by tothecikpah

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Thanks for the correction ^_^

 

But still...did we really needed 11 keyblade wielders in the franchise???? Okay I can understand adding them for the Seven Lights and 13 Darknesses but that just doesn't qualify the decision of making TAV seem more important the Sora and Riku themselves.It pisses me off when I hear people that TerraAquaVen should be the main trio of the franchise and takes Sora's place....It's like watching the last episode of Naruto only to see Kakashi ends the 4th Ninja war not Naruto and that would be bullshit if it happened

 

No problem  Well since we are about to create another keyblade war it makes sense .It can't be a war with only a few wielders .. I don't think TAV are more important than Sora and Riku at all. I don't think the series suggests it either . It's just that some prefer them and that's just their opinion..

[Dracozombie 4,554]

Yeah but he didn't have to make EVERYONE  get a keyblade,Why can't the series be fine With Sora Riku Mickey and Roxas ????What does giving Leas a keyblade add to the story???? nothing because AxelLea is already good enough with Chakrams that he can defeat a wielder

Maybe but that doesn't qualify the stupid decision  of taking away the focus from the MAIN PROTAGONIST OF THE FRANCHISE!!! This is like Kakashi is the one who ends the Great Ninja War and not Naruto and that would be bullshit....are you really fine with having TerraAquaVen taking down Xehanort in the end instead of the protagonist of the entire series

 

11-14 wielders out of possibly thousands or billions is still pretty unique.  Thus far, no one's been able to give me convincing reasons that more keyblade wielders=bad except a matter of "uniqueness."  What's important isn't the numbers, what's important is what the keyblades do for the story.  There could be eleven or a thousand; Sora is still shown to be special in a way no other keyblade wielder is, by virtue of being the main character and who he is.  Sora is still the central focus.  Every single game has significantly related to him in some fashion, even BBS, for setting up the circumstances for Sora to do all his hero stuff.  None of them overshadow the protagonist.  For TAV and Eraqus being formal keyblade wielders, they sure as hell didn't do much in the long run--if anything, they made it worse, giving Sora a reason to be the hero.  No one can or will ever overshadow Sora just because they have a keyblade.

[Hei 3,233]

I'm gonna add a reason. The fact that the worlds weren't that well designed (yes, it's probably technical limitations, but still). They were really empty when compared to past games, and not much is going on besides a few things.

[VanitasTheBest 196]

Maybe but making it easy for everyone to get their own and makes side characters all of sudden seem more important than Sora himself....then this is a problem.....I don't mind them being many but I mind them overshadowing the protagonist

Nomura said Sora will always be the Protagonist, so I'm pretty sure no Side Character will seem more important than him, except Nomura wants it. Just don't worry about something like that ;o The Main games are for Sora as Protagonist and the Side Games for the Other important characters. That's the way of Kingdom Hearts ~