KHCoM Why did Axel kill Vexen and Zexion?

[JustRob 20]

Why did Axel kill Vexen and Zexion?

 

I get that he killed Vexen to gain Marluxia's trust. So, that's okay? It's perfectly fine to destroy a member loyal to the Organization in order to weed out some traitors? Was that really necessary?

 

And then there's Zexion. I read that Axel killed him to move up Saix' rank in the organization, which would mean Saix is corrupt too. Why was Zexion killed? He knew too much? What did he know?

 

Why is it perfectly fine to kill whoever the hell you want within the Organization? Why isn't Axel ever punished for this flat-out betrayal?

 

I don't get it and I feel kinda bad for Vexen and Zexion. And I used to like Axel, but when I think about the assholish shit he pulled I kinda hate him.

[Master Juan 574]

Cuz he's an asshole and wants all the fangirls for himself.

[Col.Random 3,683]

Axel wasn't the traitor until kh2 (and then he got himself killed)besides, Zexion was a traitor and so Axel was undercover and was supposed to kill him.And Vexen...vexen was a pedo

[Mystics Apprentice 2,397]

It's kind of revealed over the course of several games, but Axel and Saix have a plot to overthrow the Organization themselves, which is why Axel's killing whomever he so wishes.  I know, it's cruel; I really liked Vexen and Zexion too. *sniff*

 

And Axel managed to cover up their murders with the Organization so that they didn't know Axel was the one who did it.  I don't remember all the details now, but Axel was sly; he managed to cover up the whole thing.

 

Though, honestly, I don't know what drove Axel to be so cruel.  I loved him in 358/2 Days and KH2, but he was such a royal jerk in Re:chain of Memories that it irked me.  I want to say it was because he didn't have a heart and his only friend at the time was Saix, but I dunno...  His crimes just aren't pardonable.

[AntonioKHT 449]

Seriously? You insult BbS now Axel? Do you want ANYONE to be your friend?

Axel killed Vexen to get Marluxia's trust like you said. And he killed Zexion because he knew Axel and Saix had plans to take over the Organization, and Zexion also knew Axel had killed Vexen.

Do you think Axel told anyone about killing them for is own reasons? Of course not. He wasn't punished because no one other than him know what happened in Castle Oblivion. And he killed the traitors as well. 

[Supdudes 53]

Cuz he's an asshole and wants all the fangirls for himself.

 

All the fangirls love that sexy sexy laugh of his, it's hard to believe he's still single.

[Ptolema 404]

Vexen was killed to gain Marluxia's trust and keep his Replica Program from falling into the wrong hands. (It's said in the reports and seen in Re:CoM)

 

Zexion was killed so that Saïx could move higher up in the ranks, because for some weird reason Zexion was next in line for that position of second-in-command.

 

Neither were actual traitors.

[AntonioKHT 449]

besides, Zexion was a traitor and so Axel was undercover and was supposed to kill him.

Zexion wasn't a traitor by the way

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Axel was a double agent he needed to kill Vexen to trick Marluxia into thinking he was loyal to him. Especially considering that Marluxia already had doubts about Axel.Zexion was killed because he had discovered Axel and Siax's plans to overthrow the Organization. Aka He knew too much. He didn't want Zexion to go back and tell Xemnas(though we later find out Xemnas knew all along).Also Axel didn't kill Zexion Repliku did

It's kind of revealed over the course of several games, but Axel and Saix have a plot to overthrow the Organization themselves, which is why Axel's killing whomever he so wishes.  I know, it's cruel; I really liked Vexen and Zexion too. *sniff* And Axel managed to cover up their murders with the Organization so that they didn't know Axel was the one who did it.  I don't remember all the details now, but Axel was sly; he managed to cover up the whole thing. Though, honestly, I don't know what drove Axel to be so cruel.  I loved him in 358/2 Days and KH2, but he was such a royal jerk in Re:chain of Memories that it irked me.  I want to say it was because he didn't have a heart and his only friend at the time was Saix, but I dunno...  His crimes just aren't pardonable.

What crimes did he actually commit because he only killed Vexen who ended up being recompleted with the rest of them. Edited February 9, 2013 by devereauxr

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Axel wasn't the traitor until kh2 (and then he got himself killed)besides, Zexion was a traitor and so Axel was undercover and was supposed to kill him.And Vexen...vexen was a pedo

 

Axel was always a traitor since he had a secret plan with Saix all along to take over the organization bc they didn't trust Xemnas and suspected they wouldn't really get their hearts back . This was shown in Days .Zexion wasn't a traitor. Axel was sent to weed out the real traitors in those sent to CO  but not all were traitors per se . Zexion knew too much about what happened there among other things so he had to go which is stated by Axel himself ..Repliku killed him anyways. Vexen was to prove 'loyalty' to Marluxia.  Both deaths Axel actually admits to not wanting to do and feels regret.

 

 

@ Topic .. They were nobodies and were basically sociopaths with no moral compass and whatnot . They all did wrong working in the Organization even if for some it was just to get hearts back . Singling out just Axel for this is silly tbh. The rest were far from innocent themselves.

Edited February 9, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[The_eternal_nothing 586]

vexen was killed cause he was annoying zexion stole axels klondike bar 

[Dave 5,715]

The fact that Axel starts off as a selfish, self serving hitman is probably one of the best parts of his character arc. You can see that he has a devil-may-care attitude, and only looks out for himself, but as time goes on, he starts to develop actual emotions and attachments to his friends, and when that falls through, he can't go back to the way he was in the first place, leaving him in a constant state of emotional unrest.

 

In other words, he is a jerk in Chain of Memories, and that's a good thing from a storytelling perspective.

[Col.Random 3,683]

Axel was always a traitor since he had a secret plan with Saix all along to take over the organization bc they didn't trust Xemnas and suspected they wouldn't really get their hearts back . This was shown in Days .Zexion wasn't a traitor. Axel was sent to weed out the real traitors in those sent to CO  but not all were traitors per se . Zexion knew too much about what happened there so he had to go which is stated by Axel himself ..Repliku killed him anyways. Vexen was to prove 'loyalty' to Marluxia.  Both deaths Axel actually admits to not wanting to do and feels regret.

 

 

@ Topic .. They were nobodies and were basically sociopaths with no moral compass and whatnot . They all did wrong working in the Organization even if for some it was just to get hearts back . Singling out just Axel for this is silly tbh. The rest were far from innocent themselves.

I still think Vexen was killed for being a pedo

[Hazimie 1,595]

Axel was always a traitor since he had a secret plan with Saix all along to take over the organization bc they didn't trust Xemnas and suspected they wouldn't really get their hearts back . This was shown in Days .Zexion wasn't a traitor. Axel was sent to weed out the real traitors in those sent to CO  but not all were traitors per se . Zexion knew too much about what happened there so he had to go which is stated by Axel himself ..Repliku killed him anyways. Vexen was to prove 'loyalty' to Marluxia.  Both deaths Axel actually admits to not wanting to do and feels regret.

 

 

@ Topic .. They were nobodies and were basically sociopaths with no moral compass and whatnot . They all did wrong working in the Organization even if for some it was just to get hearts back . Singling out just Axel for this is silly tbh. The rest were far from innocent themselves.

Then again,if you look in Axel's actions,he was Saved them than killing them since the two of them including him has become Somebody again...

 

 

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

The fact that Axel starts off as a selfish, self serving hitman is probably one of the best parts of his character arc. You can see that he has a devil-may-care attitude, and only looks out for himself, but as time goes on, he starts to develop actual emotions and attachments to his friends, and when that falls through, he can't go back to the way he was in the first place, leaving him in a constant state of emotional unrest.

 

In other words, he is a jerk in Chain of Memories, and that's a good thing from a storytelling perspective.

 

 

 

I agree 100 % 

I still think Vexen was killed for being a pedo

 

LOL! He does look like he rolls up to elementary schools in a white van asking kids if they want candy

[Col.Random 3,683]

I agree 100 % 

 

LOL! He does look like he rolls up to elementary schools in a white van asking kids if they want candy

witht his face i wouldn't be surprised

[KyleSnyder 5]

Vexen was ordered to be killed because he was trying to ruin Marluxia's plan to use Sora for his own purposes. After the second time Sora defeats Vexen, Vexen tries to warn Sora about Marluxia's plan, but Axel kills him before he can say anything further than Sora would end up becoming Marluxia's pawn.

[JustRob 20]

It's kind of revealed over the course of several games, but Axel and Saix have a plot to overthrow the Organization themselves, which is why Axel's killing whomever he so wishes.  I know, it's cruel; I really liked Vexen and Zexion too. *sniff*

 

And Axel managed to cover up their murders with the Organization so that they didn't know Axel was the one who did it.  I don't remember all the details now, but Axel was sly; he managed to cover up the whole thing.

 

Though, honestly, I don't know what drove Axel to be so cruel.  I loved him in 358/2 Days and KH2, but he was such a royal jerk in Re:chain of Memories that it irked me.  I want to say it was because he didn't have a heart and his only friend at the time was Saix, but I dunno...  His crimes just aren't pardonable.

 

Dude... What????

 

So Axel didn't let Larxene and Marluxia be killed because they were traitors, but because they beat him and Saix to the punch? Holy shit dude...

 

But, when does Zexion learn about Axel and Saix' plot? I must have missed that somewhere.

[Ajexmi 446]

I'm pretty sure both Xemnas and Saix had their reservations about all of the members they sent to C.O. and Saix merely used Axel to dispose of those that stood in the way. As far as Xemnas (Xehanort) was concerned none of them were fit to be part of the 13 darknesses. I think the confusion here is based on so many crossovers in intent that all bridge over Axel himself. I'm pretty sure he had any real vendetta against the other members - it was just good business....

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Dude... What????

 

So Axel didn't let Larxene and Marluxia be killed because they were traitors, but because they beat him and Saix to the punch? Holy shit dude...

 

But, when does Zexion learn about Axel and Saix' plot? I must have missed that somewhere.

 

 

Read the secret reports in Days. Not to mention it's also talked about in game in conversations with Saix and Axel.. Anyways Marluxia and Larxene caused their own deaths at the end of the day by firetrucking with Sora to begin with . It just happened to work out for Axel and Saix too regardless who ended up killing them 

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Dude... What????So Axel didn't let Larxene and Marluxia be killed because they were traitors, but because they beat him and Saix to the punch? Holy shit dude...But, when does Zexion learn about Axel and Saix' plot? I must have missed that somewhere.

Actually they were destroyed because they were traitors. Those were Xemnas's orders eliminate the traitors. Marluxia, and Larxene were at the top of that list and thus were allowed to be destroyed. Edited February 9, 2013 by devereauxr

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

Actually they were destroyed beause they were traitors. Those were Xemnas's orders eliminate the traitors. Marluxia, and Larxene were at the top of that list and thus were allowed to be destroyed.

 

Exactly, but regardless, Marluxia and Larxene would've died anyways for trying to firetruck with Sora to begin with . Their fate was inevitable no matter who did it in the end.

[Mystics Apprentice 2,397]

Dude... What????

 

So Axel didn't let Larxene and Marluxia be killed because they were traitors, but because they beat him and Saix to the punch? Holy shit dude...

 

But, when does Zexion learn about Axel and Saix' plot? I must have missed that somewhere.

Well, Axel pretended to side with Larxene and Marluxia for a time (I believe to eliminate other Organization members) but he was really out for himself and Saix, who wanted to take over the Organization.  Like Flaming Lea pointed out, Marluxia and Larxene brought on their own demise, but Axel reveals himself as a traitor to Marluxia at the end of the game and is ready to kill him.  He just worked with Larxene and Marluxia to get what he wanted, and I *think* he'd partly eliminated them to gain Xemnas's trust, though I might be guessing on that last one.

 

The only place Zexion discovers Axel's against him is right before he dies; he'd thought Axel was on his side otherwise.  Sure, I believe he had his *doubts*, meaning he knew they had traitors amongst the Castle Oblivion party, but I don't think he learns about Axel and Saix's plot at any point in the game otherwise.

[VisitJoan 2,713]

First of all, Vexen and Zexion, or should I say Even and Ienzo are still alive.  Second, Axel pretty much saved them.and since I don't know if you've played DDD yet I won't say any more.

Edited February 9, 2013 by VisitJoan

[Elijah Gravenhorst 480]

I love how Lea and Ienzo just totally get along after being recompleted. Makes perfect sense.