KH3D Julius = Fridge Brilliance. Spoilers..

[RoxSox 3,593]

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The secret boss of Dream Drop Distance is Julius. For those who don't know, Julius is a one-off character from the Disney film "Runaway Brain".

http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Julius

In the film, Julius is an evil Frankenstein-like monstrosity created by an evil scientist dude...

In the story, he winds up switching brains with Mickey Mouse, resulting in Mickeys Body being used to host a seperate mind...

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Hold up just one Goddamned minute...

 

That story sounds awful familiar to me, and I can't quite pin my finger on why that is... oh yeah...

 

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT XEHANORT JUST DID.

EDIT: Well, not exactly. You see the core theme there is whats similar, the circumstances of each event are pretty different.

The correlation is as follows:

Julius has his brain put in another body.

Xehanort has his heart possessing another body.

Body-snatching, people; that is the connection. Think in allegory and in the concept of each story, don't try to match the specifics up.

 

Julius had to have been chosen for this reason. He had to have. His character arc mirrors what occurs in the games story. And if it wasn't intentional, then DAMN if that ain't a coincidence.

 

If this has been theorized before, my apologies, I've been gone for a while.

Edited January 31, 2013 by RoxSoxKH

[Caity 3,946]

That's probably the most logical reason for choosing Julius as a secret boss, since to people who don't know the movie just think it's a monstrous Pete.  I knew he was in the Runaway Brain but didn't make that connection.

[Master Keeper 687]

What if Xehanort switched Julius's mind with one of the thirteen vessels O.O

[JTD95 1,107]

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT XEHANORT JUST DID.

No. Not really. Xehanort transferred his heart inside Terra because he himself was getting to old and to make sure his plans would be completed he needed to live longer. Although, based on what it learned in KH3D, this reasoning might be false and his true intentions was to create more versions of himself.

 

Julius was a monster which switched bodies with Mickey Mouse without any specific reasons.

Julius did not gain control over someone else's body on his own like Xehanort did. It was not a decision he made on his own but was forced upon him by that scientist. Julius switch bodies with someone else's while Xehanort gave up his own body in favor of someone else's. No one then after gained control over Xehanort's body.

 

Xehanort possessed someone. Julius went through a classic body switching. Not the same thing.

Edited January 26, 2013 by JTD95

[RoxSox 3,593]

No. Not really. Xehanort transferred his heart inside Terra because he himself was getting to old and to make sure his plans would be completed he needed to live longer. Although, based on what it learned in KH3D, this reasoning might be false and his true intentions was to create more versions of himself.

 

Julius was a monster which switched bodies with Mickey Mouse without any specific reasons.

Julius did not gain control over someone else's body on his own like Xehanort did. It was not a decision he made on his own but was forced upon him by that scientist. Julius switch bodies with someone else's while Xehanort gave up his own body in favor of someone else's. No one then after gained control over Xehanort's body.

 

Xehanort possessed someone. Julius went through a classic body switching. Not the same thing.

You're thinking to literally. Its the concept, not the circumstances that are reoccurring.

[JTD95 1,107]

You're thinking to literally. Its the concept, not the circumstances that are reoccurring.

How do they share the same concept? One is body switching, the other is possession.

 

You're thinking too farfetched. For it to be exactly the same, Xehanort would have had to gain control over Terra's body, while Terra gained control over Xehanort's body and this would have been forced upon them by a third party involved. For an example Ansem the Wise or Even.

Edited January 26, 2013 by JTD95

[RoxSox 3,593]

Possession and body switching are not concepts, they're still specifics. The concept is not being in control of yourself, not having the mind controlling your body actually be your own mind. Just replace 'brain' with 'heart'.

 

Im trying to think of the best way to word it...

 

Julius took his own essence (his brain), and put it in another being.

Xehanort took his own essence (his heart), and put it in another being (x13).

 

Yes the circumstances are different, but that core concept of taking over another person exists in both stories, and that alone is enough for a connection to be made. You can't think specifically, you think conceptually/metaphorically.

[JTD95 1,107]

Im trying to think of the best way to word it...Julius took his own essence (his brain), and put it in another being.Xehanort took his own essence (his heart), and put it in another being (x13).Yes the circumstances are different, but that core concept of taking over another person exists in both stories, and that alone is enough for a connection to be made. You can't think specifically, you think conceptually/metaphorically.

Julius didn't take his own essence and placed it in another being. Someone did it for him. But I get what you're saying. It's still too farfetched and in my opinion you're just over thinking something insignificant. They probably chose him for the same reason Monstro and Ice Titan has been chosen in previous games.

Edited January 26, 2013 by JTD95

[Weiss 8,279]

True. All of the secret bosses so far have had impacts on the story in later games. I think that would be a logical reason for choosing Julius.

[JTD95 1,107]

True. All of the secret bosses so far have had impacts on the story in later games. I think that would be a logical reason for choosing Julius.

Original secret bosses has had an impact on the story later such as Xemnas, Lingering Sentiment and Young Xehanort.Secret Disney bosses such as Ice Titan and Monstro didn't have much of an impact. Monstro might have had some impact due to his homeworld appearing in the next game released after BbSFM. Or they have nothing to do with each other at all.

[Weiss 8,279]

Original secret bosses has had an impact on the story later such as Xemnas, Lingering Sentiment and Young Xehanort.Secret Disney bosses such as Ice Titan and Monstro didn't have much of an impact. Monstro might have had some impact due to his homeworld appearing in the next game released after BbSFM. Or they have nothing to do with each other at all.

Those were more of optional bosses than secret bosses imo. They weren't that hard to beat as the other secret bosses were and you could access them a lot earlier so I didn't count them in my post

[JTD95 1,107]

Those were more of optional bosses than secret bosses imo. They weren't that hard to beat as the other secret bosses were and you could access them a lot earlier so I didn't count them in my post

Hmm, well okay. You're right about that. Julius was more of a secret boss like Xemnas and Young Xehanort then.

[Indecypher 495]

Maybe that's why the original ending wasn't approved, no evil mickey for KH.

[_The Door To Light_ 1,507]

Of course, Nomura would have an in-depth reason for picking a secret boss.

[RoxSox 3,593]

Of course, Nomura would have an in-depth reason for picking a secret boss.

Theres an in-depth reason for everything in KH, man. You just gotta look for it.

[Velvet Scarlatina 607]

True. All of the secret bosses so far have had impacts on the story in later games. I think that would be a logical reason for choosing Julius.

 

What about Sephiroth?

[RoxSox 3,593]

What about Sephiroth?

He had an impact within his own arc. His relationship with Cloud and Tifa in KH2 and KH1FM. No real importance in the game, but still wound up being a supporting character in tye long run.

[AntonioKHT 449]

Or MAYBE:

it was just a coincidence

[RoxSox 3,593]

Or MAYBE:

it was just a coincidence

There is no such thing as coincidence. Not in this series. Everything has a purpose.

 

Julius is an obscure character. I never heard of him before. Why would they pick a character out of obscurity like that? It could have been anybody. But it was Julius. And the fact that the two stories follow the same theme is just too much to ignore...

[AntonioKHT 449]

There is no such thing as coincidence. Not in this series. Everything has a purpose.Julius is an obscure character. I never heard of him before. Why would they pick a character out of obscurity like that? It could have been anybody. But it was Julius. And the fact that the two stories follow the same theme is just too much to ignore...

You think they picked Julius as boss because of the whole essence into another being, or as something relevant to the future of the series? I still doubt they'd lose that much time thinking for some link int he story with Disney but you could be right.

I honestly doubt that it means anything for the future of the series, but it could be an indirect way of saying they pick that movie as base for the 13 vessels. Or got the idea from it. 

But I think it's way too vague to say it has to do with the main storyline. Sephiroth appeared many times, and he had a story developed of his own, but it was never added to the main story in the game.

And even though Disney villains have some important roles, such as Maleficent and Pete, they were never THE most imprtant villains. Ansem, Organization XIII and Master Xehanort, characters original from KH, are always the main antagonists.

[RoxSox 3,593]

I never said he would have any impact on the series. Never. I said in the first post it could be foreshadowing towards something happening to Mixkey.

I just say that Julius' inclusion is a winkwinknudgenudge to the story of the game, consifering what happens.

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

A mad professor switched Juilus' brain with that of Mickey's.

Your argument is invalid.

[RoxSox 3,593]

A mad professor switched Juilus' brain with that of Mickey's.

Your argument is invalid.

Read the last page, where I already had this argument. Not having it again...

 

I'm fully aware the circumstances are different. The point is, the story of Runaway Brain at its base form is "Monster gets his brain put in another body, and then uses that body for his own nefarious means."

Whereas the base form of Xehanorts all encompassing plan is "Big Bad uses his own essence/heart and puts it in (an)other bod(y)ies, then uses th(at)ose bod(y)ies for his own nefarious means".

There is a correlation there. Yes, the circumstances of each event are different, but the core theme, 'body-snatching to further your means', overlaps.

 

I subscribe to the thought that there are no coincidences in KH, and so I believe this is meaningful. It won't have any impact on the story, no. But it's a nice allegory/analogy.

 

Nomura has thrived on these subtle things before, and I just can not and will not believe this was coincidence til Nomura says otherwise.

 

If you dont see it, then just leave the thread, please. I've had enough argument today to last me the week.

[Gambler'sApprentice 131]

Read the last page, where I already had this argument. Not having it again...I'm fully aware the circumstances are different. The point is, the story of Runaway Brain at its base form is "Monster gets his brain put in another body, and then uses that body for his own nefarious means."Whereas the base form of Xehanorts all encompassing plan is "Big Bad uses his own essence/heart and puts it in (an)other bod(y)ies, then uses th(at)ose bod(y)ies for his own nefarious means".There is a correlation there. Yes, the circumstances of each event are different, but the core theme, 'body-snatching to further your means', overlaps.I subscribe to the thought that there are no coincidences in KH, and so I believe this is meaningful. It won't have any impact on the story, no. But it's a nice allegory/analogy.Nomura has thrived on these subtle things before, and I just can not and will not believe this was coincidence til Nomura says otherwise.If you dont see it, then just leave the thread, please. I've had enough argument today to last me the week.

I did notice it, but Julius had his brain switched because Science, and only briefly inhabits his own body. I saw your point, but it's a poor connection, even if it was intentional. That was my point.