Xehanort's Guardian Heartless

[MasterTeli 60]

I came across this video on Youtube. The person who made it made a really valid and somewhat mind-firetrucking points about the Guardian. Please watch it before you read any further. That being said, if you are still reading then I am assuming that you have seen it and I can say without guilt that i don't think Terra is one of the thirteen darknesses unless it he is being held against his will. Which is possible because his heart was still inside Terra-nort when Ansem seeker of darkness and Xemnas were created. What do you guys think? Will Riku and Sora have to defeat Master Xehanort and free Terra's heart or will he be freed before that? Also what do you think of the Youtuber's observation?

 

 

 

[Demyx. 10,064]

Yeah, I've thought about that before. Not sure what I think though.

[VanitasTheBest 196]

It's a very good point he's speaking of in that video o:

 

I can say without guilt that i don't think Terra is one of the thirteen darknesses unless it he is being held against his will. Which is possible because his heart was still inside Terra-nort when Ansem seeker of darkness and Xemnas were created.

Technically, he IS one of the Thirteen Seekers... Or maybe he is TWO of them o: Master Xehanort didn't say "Terra is one of the 13 darknesses" he said something like "The one (Terra) who became my vessel" ... And if the guy who made this Video is right, then Terra would've been split into Xemnas and the Guardian Heartless. This would mean Terra is part of this 13 Seeker of Darkness Club... He's two Seekers ... Or maybe 1 and a half.And yes... I'd really like that if it's true

[MasterTeli 60]

It's a very good point he's speaking of in that video o:

 

Technically, he IS one of the Thirteen Seekers... Or maybe he is TWO of them o: Master Xehanort didn't say "Terra is one of the 13 darknesses" he said something like "The one (Terra) who became my vessel" ... And if the guy who made this Video is right, then Terra would've been split into Xemnas and the Guardian Heartless. This would mean Terra is part of this 13 Seeker of Darkness Club... He's two Seekers ... Or maybe 1 and a half.And yes... I'd really like that if it's true

 

Which is basically the same thing!

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

This guy in the video is stating what if Ansem is both Terra and MX's heartless ?  There is no "what if " bc it's already been established that both Ansem and Xemnas were  both comprised of both Terra and MX ..Keep in mind their hearts were merged with the intent of MX trying to consume Terra's heart altogether. ..Also, if you remember in Aqua's fight with Terranort you can do a dual limit with Terra and Aqua fighting AGAINST the guardian and MX while trying to free Terra  Finally, it's already been said that MX has Terra under his control as his vessel so obviously it's against his will and always has been since he was possessed in the first place..So he's definitely one of the 13 . 

Edited January 20, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[AntonioKHT 449]

I haven't watch the whole vid, but it's probably about the fact the Guardian kinda stopped persisting and just lay down his arm.

Yeah I always thought of that, I think he's somewhat Terra. Not exactly sure, but maybe he's Terra's dark powers in that shape, and he's being controlled by Xehanort. He only appeared when Xehanort already had some control over Terra, on the Secret Episode, and he's also the only thing that keeps Aqua from reaching Terra in that weird realm, what kinda leads me to believe he's really Terra's inner darkness, which Xehanort is now controlling.

He gave a hint making the Guardian be by Terranort's side in BbS, but Nomura made it very clear when Riku showed him his Keyblade. Riku even quotes what he said to Terra as a child "The strength to protect what matters" or something like that

The quote is not a clear referrence, but the way he showed the Keyblade and the heartless just accepted and gave up, it's really something...

I'm not sure if The Guardian is actually Terra, or his darkness, or his counciousness being controlled by darkness, but there's definetely a connection. Just not a 100% sure what it is

Edit: i forgot to mention about if he's gonna be saved or not. I really want Terra as one of the Lights, andd I hope Sora and the others amanage to bring him back before the final clash, it's not impossible. Xehanort claimed Terra was on his side, but he can be wrong. He lost Sora, why can't he lose another member?

But it's still very unclear to say who are the Lights. The opening of KH3D hints one group, the Ending hints another very different. I hope Terra and Roxas are in the group (Opening, as well as another few hints), but who knows?

Edited January 20, 2013 by AntonioKHT

[tysonrss 38]

Who was Mickey referring to during the cutscene where Master Xenhanort is explaining the upcoming battle? He named the guardian's of light except one and I doubt it was Kairi since he was shocked when Yen Sid called for her to come. Was it Roxas?

[MasterTeli 60]

This guy in the video is stating what if Ansem is both Terra and MX's heartless ?  There is no "what if " bc it's already been established that both Ansem and Xemnas were  both comprised of both Terra and MX ..Keep in mind their hearts were merged with the intent of MX trying to consume Terra's heart altogether. ..Also, if you remember in Aqua's fight with Terranort you can do a dual limit with Terra and Aqua fighting AGAINST the guardian and MX while trying to free Terra  Finally, it's already been said that MX has Terra under his control as his vessel so obviously it's against his will and always has been since he was possessed in the first place..So he's definitely one of the 13 . 

 

However, the destruction of Ansem and Xemnas lead to Master Xehanort re-emerging in his own body, and since the Ansem and Xemnas in KHDDD are from different time lines then our own, shouldn't Terra have also resurfaced? Theoretically when the heartless and nobody of a person is destroyed, that person is restored to his original state. Terranort was two people, technically and one of those two people, Master Xehanort, has been restored but the whereabouts of the other, Terra, according to the former Terra is one of the 13. But what if MX meant as Ansem and Xemnas, with that, his appearance is at question. Why does he look like his older self and not Terranort. and If terra was also restored, where is he? Or are MX and Terra-nort are coexisting?

 

 

Who was Mickey referring to during the cutscene where Master Xenhanort is explaining the upcoming battle? He named the guardian's of light except one and I doubt it was Kairi since he was shocked when Yen Sid called for her to come. Was it Roxas?

 

 

 

I think Mickey wanted Aqua or Terra, or maybe he knows another wielder which is unlikely! Also i don't think Mickey knew that Kairi was a wielder.

Edited January 20, 2013 by MasterTeli

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

However, the destruction of Ansem and Xemnas lead to Master Xehanort re-emerging in his own body, and since the Ansem and Xemnas in KHDDD are from different time lines then our own, shouldn't Terra have also resurfaced? Theoretically when the heartless and nobody of a person is destroyed, that person is restored to his original state. Terranort was two people, technically and one of those two people, Master Xehanort, has been restored but the whereabouts of the other, Terra, according to the former Terra is one of the 13. But what if MX meant as Ansem and Xemnas, with that, his appearance is at question. Why does he look like his older self and not Terranort. and If terra was also restored, where is he? Or are MX and Terra-nort are coexisting?

 

Simple..Since it's been proven now in DDD that MX won control of Terranort one could say that since MX 's heart is in control/ consuming Terra's  that the heart shapes the vessel and so he can still be possessing Terra's body but his outward appearance is the old man ..No where has it been stated Terra was released. If anything it's been said that Terra still needs saved still and until he is he would be trapped as a darkness instead of a light.. MX was telling Mickey that he had some of his listed lights on his side ( Terra and soon to have been Sora) He can however be saved in time to eventually be a light again depending on when he's saved in KH3

Edited January 20, 2013 by Flaming Lea

[MasterTeli 60]

Simple..Since it's been proven now in DDD that MX won control of Terranort one could say that since MX 's heart is in control/ consuming Terra's  that the heart shapes the vessel and so he can still be possessing Terra's body but his outward appearance is the old man ..No where has it been stated Terra was released. If anything it's been said that Terra still needs saved still and until he is he would be trapped as a darkness instead of a light.. MX was telling Mickey that he had some of his listed lights on his side ( Terra and soon to have been Sora) He can however be saved in time to eventually be a light again depending on when he's saved in KH3

 

With the whole time travel thing, i dont know what to expect from the series now! For all i know, there must be several versions of the same person in the thirteen, not just 13 Xehanorts but several Terranorts maybe a partially destroyed version of xehanort who is unstable or even a deformed one. This is why we need an update on KH3 otherwise we will keep guessing like this and never really knowing. Its fun but all the while frustrating!

Edited January 20, 2013 by MasterTeli

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

With the whole time travel thing, i dont know what to expect from the series now! For all i know, there must be several versions of the same person in the thirteen, not just 13 Xehanorts but several Terranorts maybe a partially destroyed version of xehanort who is unstable or even a deformed one. This is why we need an update on KH3 otherwise we will keep guessing like this and never really knowing. Its fun abut all the while frustrating!

 

 

Well thats why Nomura said Terra is a deliberate mystery to leave us guessing . He even said the identity of the lights will end up being surprising

[nick11h 63]

I have the feeling we're going to be re-visiting the battlefield in Terra's Heart or a variation of sorts.

 

 

 

Edited January 20, 2013 by nick11h

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

I have the feeling we're going to be re-visiting the battlefield in Terra's Heart or a variation of sorts.

 

 

 

 

 

Definitely.. Someone ( prolly Riku ) would do a dive into the heart to help Terra battle for control of his heart and body back .Let's not forget Eraqus too

[HikariYami 354]

All I know is that guardian thing has to be someone's darkness.

But if we are going to save people wouldn't we have to save Terra and Eraqus? I mean master Eraqus did not "die" or did he?

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

All I know is that guardian thing has to be someone's darkness.

But if we are going to save people wouldn't we have to save Terra and Eraqus? I mean master Eraqus did not "die" or did he?

  Technically Eraqus died but we know he also took refuge in Terra's heart too. So i suppose it is still possible to still bring him back if they can find a way to bring back other's like Roxas, Xion , and even Namine bc they grew their own hearts.That's what Ansem the Wise's data was suppose to help Sora do - bring back fellow comrades as stated in DDD.

[_The Door To Light_ 1,507]

Ironically, I watched this the day before, (Pacey/Everglow ) and Xehanort's Guardian does give me a feeling of deja vu.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

I always thought the exact opposite. That Ansem SoD is actually Terra's Heartless (albeit dominated by MX's personality) and that The Guardian is, in fact, the true form of MX's Heartless, because if you look at the faceial and body structure of The Guardian they slightly resemble MX. I think the Guardian is what was under the brown robe before Ansem SoD possesed Riku. (although the Ansem Report stating that even though he had become a Heartless his form remained unchanged contradicts this) I always just assumed the Guardian was reaching for Riku because it was still trying to fight.  Also I think that while Terranort is one of the Darknesses the part of him that is still Terra is not because he's being held against his will. Please note that while they share the same body I am considering Terra and Terra-Xehanort 2 separate individuals. I believe Terra will be saved before the final showdown because I really think hes on'e of the Seven Guardians of Light. I actually have a Quad-Scenario theory as to the events of KH3

 

http://kh13.com/forum/topic/47407-kingdom-hearts-3-scenario-theory-ddd-spoilers/

 

Wait, I just thought of something. If Xion and Namine came back as well and the latter developed combat skills, it would be 13 vs. 13 O_o

Edited January 20, 2013 by Sora_Kuno

[MasterTeli 60]

I always thought the exact opposite. That Ansem SoD is actually Terra's Heartless (albeit dominated by MX's personality) and that The Guardian is, in fact, the true form of MX's Heartless, because if you look at the faceial and body structure of The Guardian they slightly resemble MX. I think the Guardian is what was under the brown robe before Ansem SoD possesed Riku. (although the Ansem Report stating that even though he had become a Heartless his form remained unchanged contradicts this) I always just assumed the Guardian was reaching for Riku because it was still trying to fight.  Also I think that while Terranort is one of the Darknesses the part of him that is still Terra is not because he's being held against his will. Please note that while they share the same body I am considering Terra and Terra-Xehanort 2 separate individuals. I believe Terra will be saved before the final showdown because I really think hes on'e of the Seven Guardians of Light. I actually have a Quad-Scenario theory as to the events of KH3

 

Kairi and Lea save Aqua

Sora, Donald and Goofy Ven, leading to the rebitrth of Roxas

Riku and Mickey save Terra

Sora, Riku, Terra, Aqua, Ven, Roxas, Micky, Lea Kairi Donald and Goofy defeat Xehanort once and for all.

This is just basic theory. I have slightly more in-depth one explaining my reasoning but I'm not going to post it here.

 

Wait, I just thought of something. If Xion and Namine came back as well and the latter developed combat skills, it would be 13 vs. 13 O_o

 

There are eight wielders listed here so ........................... okay so there has to be seven! 7 is the luckiest number and 13, the unluckiest! I think you should consider leaving Donald, Goofy, Xion, Roxas and Namine out! Not that you have to though!

Ironically, I watched this the day before, (Pacey/Everglow ) and Xehanort's Guardian does give me a feeling of deja vu.

He has appeared a lot in the series. I always think of Invisibles and Orcuses when I look at him though! o_0

Edited January 20, 2013 by MasterTeli

[nick11h 63]

I always thought the exact opposite. That Ansem SoD is actually Terra's Heartless (albeit dominated by MX's personality) and that The Guardian is, in fact, the true form of MX's Heartless, because if you look at the faceial and body structure of The Guardian they slightly resemble MX. I think the Guardian is what was under the brown robe before Ansem SoD possesed Riku. (although the Ansem Report stating that even though he had become a Heartless his form remained unchanged contradicts this) I always just assumed the Guardian was reaching for Riku because it was still trying to fight.  Also I think that while Terranort is one of the Darknesses the part of him that is still Terra is not because he's being held against his will. Please note that while they share the same body I am considering Terra and Terra-Xehanort 2 separate individuals. I believe Terra will be saved before the final showdown because I really think hes on'e of the Seven Guardians of Light. I actually have a Quad-Scenario theory as to the events of KH3

 

Kairi and Lea save Aqua

Sora, Donald and Goofy Ven, leading to the rebitrth of Roxas

Riku and Mickey save Terra

Sora, Riku, Terra, Aqua, Ven, Roxas, Micky, Lea Kairi Donald and Goofy defeat Xehanort once and for all.

This is just basic theory. I have slightly more in-depth one explaining my reasoning but I'm not going to post it here.

 

Wait, I just thought of something. If Xion and Namine came back as well and the latter developed combat skills, it would be 13 vs. 13 O_o

 

If I hadn't started playing Kingdom Hearts in 2004, I would be so confused.

 

Interesting theories, though.

 

Speaking of Roxas, Namine, and Xion, I believe they're all Nobodies, correct? Maybe it will be discovered that they can also gain combat powers directly from the Light and not just Nothingness or their former selves because we know they can already feel emotion. Except, in order to get a fresh start on the good guy side, they've got to forfeit all their ill-gotten (Darkness and Nobody-Based) abilities  and well... Looks like an excuse for Square Enix to restart the characters at level one.

 

On a side note: I remember in some Final Fantasies that you began around level five or ten, which I always thought was sort of cool. Maybe something similar will happen for the characters, who it would be completely ridiculous to make lose all their strength. Sora: "Um... yeah... I haven't... er... fought in a while... I guess I gotta relearn everything."

Edited January 20, 2013 by nick11h

[MasterTeli 60]

If I hadn't started playing Kingdom Hearts in 2004, I would be so confused.

 

Interesting theories, though.

 

Speaking of Roxas, Namine, and Xion, I believe they're all Nobodies, correct? Maybe it will be discovered that they can also gain combat powers directly from the Light and not just Nothingness or their former selves because we know they can already feel emotion. Except, in order to get a fresh start on the good guy side, they've got to forfeit all their ill-gotten (Darkness and Nobody-Based) abilities  and well... Looks like an excuse for Square Enix to restart the characters at level one.

 

But won't that confuse everyone even more? Xion for example has been deleted from everyone's memories. Roxas and Riku had a hard time remembering her when she had just died! Her returning would be confusing to say the least and since she thrived on Sora's memories through Roxas, it would mean that Roxas and Sora would have to Co-exist, again. But there "hurting" has to be dealt with though!

Edited January 20, 2013 by MasterTeli

[Indecypher 495]

With time travel in the mix Terra could be a darkness and a light. If Riku and Sora had to defeat MX to free Terra's heart he'd probly just become a loose ends last few minutes explanation kind of thing, which could work but would be kind of lame unless MX had a second boss form. I think the youtuber's theory would be cool, because it would make Terra's story alot more sad. I'm not in a speculative mood so I'll just wait forever until Kh3. Assuming Nomura cares to explain it.

[tysonrss 38]

My post made this thread become a discussion of who's the 7 Guardians and 13 Darknessess..

 

Anyways, Sora, Riku, Kairi, Mickey, these are the obvious 4 Guardians...Lea would make 5. That leaves two more. Mickey said they are getting close to finding out where Ven and Aqua are so I would assume that these are the last two. Terra will not be saved until MX is defeated, that itself only makes sense. It's logical to assume that Terra will have little importance in KH3 as he is being enslaved. Though I do believe that if Aqua and Ven are saved, they will be able to somehow bring Terra back.

 

I think Riku will be able to save Ven from his sleep. Someone has to find a way to the realm of Darkness to rescue Aqua, so I think that will be up to Kairi. Damn...sctrach what I said...maybe Sora will become a Keyblade Master in the beginning of KH3 or right before it. In turn giving Sora the power to awaken hearts from sleep like Riku, of course this is speculation since the only way to aqure that power is to awaken the 7 sleeping worlds, which Riku already did. In my opinion everyone will have a special kind of power that they could use to save Ven, Aqua and Terra. It stands to reason that Sora will return to Castle Oblivion to get Ven. Kairi will somehow rescue Aqua and Riku will free Terra from MX and put an end to him for good.

 

It's still too early to speculate because the story is so out of wack as it is...I'd love to see how Nomura plans to wrap up KH3 and save everyone. I just hope we won't be disapointed. But we have quite a few years before KH3 or for any KH game for that matter....what a bummer

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

There are eight wielders listed here so ........................... okay so there has to be seven! 7 is the luckiest number and 13, the unluckiest! I think you should consider leaving Donald, Goofy, Xion, Roxas and Namine out! Not that you have to though!

He has appeared a lot in the series. I always think of Invisibles and Orcuses when I look at him though! o_0

 

Well, I think Sora, Riku, Roxas, Tera, Aqua, Ven, and Mickey are the Seven. All the others are just allies that happen to also be Keyblade wielders.

And actually, there would be 11 wielders.

Sora, Riku, Kairi, Lea, Roxas, Xion, Terra, Aqua, Ven, Mickey and....Namine.

If Kairi can wield a Keyblade, Namine should be able to as well because just like Roxas she's the Nobody of a Keyblade wielder.

Edited January 20, 2013 by Sora_Kuno

[nick11h 63]

But won't that confuse everyone even more? Xion for example has been deleted from everyone's memories. Roxas and Riku had a hard time remembering her when she had just died! Her returning would be confusing to say the least and since she thrived on Sora's memories through Roxas, it would mean that Roxas and Sora would have to Co-exist, again. But there "hurting" has to be dealt with though!

I was thinking about Nobodies in general. The existence of Xion and her living through Sora's broken memories is similar or was at least good enough for the Organization (I'm guessing Xemnas, Saix, and pretty much everyone except Demyx could tell she was different). I agree, bringing her back would be confusing, so there will probably be a cutscene at the end of the game about all of Sora's friends and things that exist in his heart, which she won't be excluded from.

Edited January 20, 2013 by nick11h

[MasterTeli 60]

My post made this thread become a discussion of who's the 7 Guardians and 13 Darknessess..

 

Anyways, Sora, Riku, Kairi, Mickey, these are the obvious 4 Guardians...Lea would make 5. That leaves two more. Mickey said they are getting close to finding out where Ven and Aqua are so I would assume that these are the last two. Terra will not be saved until MX is defeated, that itself only makes sense. It's logical to assume that Terra will have little importance in KH3 as he is being enslaved. Though I do believe that if Aqua and Ven are saved, they will be able to somehow bring Terra back.

 

I think Riku will be able to save Ven from his sleep. Someone has to find a way to the realm of Darkness to rescue Aqua, so I think that will be up to Kairi. Damn...sctrach what I said...maybe Sora will become a Keyblade Master in the beginning of KH3 or right before it. In turn giving Sora the power to awaken hearts from sleep like Riku, of course this is speculation since the only way to aqure that power is to awaken the 7 sleeping worlds, which Riku already did. In my opinion everyone will have a special kind of power that they could use to save Ven, Aqua and Terra. It stands to reason that Sora will return to Castle Oblivion to get Ven. Kairi will somehow rescue Aqua and Riku will free Terra from MX and put an end to him for good.

 

It's still too early to speculate because the story is so out of wack as it is...I'd love to see how Nomura plans to wrap up KH3 and save everyone. I just hope we won't be disapointed. But we have quite a few years before KH3 or for any KH game for that matter....what a bummer

 

Speculating will help us pass the time! Also didn't Sora also awaken the 7 Sleeping worlds?